Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

> you mean the days when CGI people were swearing that >coldfusion >weren't going anywhere, Flash was just a gleam in Future Splash's pants, >And I.E. was Leno and Netscape was Conan? Lol Yep ... Back in the good old days when there was no competing technology ... ..er hem.. ~~~

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

>Well, we're talking about programming languages and most of them >succeed because of community momentum, not because of "ACME Inc." >marketing them... >-- >Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN A point we agree upon. And the reason why I think postings like (Mike Kears) are dangerous because they

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Please move this discussion off list thx Sent from my mobile device On Jan 22, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Bryn Parrott wrote: > >> Scott Stewart wrote: >> >>> I have *never* seen an effective deployment of Sharepoint. >> >> You know, I have heard this many times, but it seems >> implausible. Wh

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> Scott Stewart wrote: > >> I have *never* seen an effective deployment of Sharepoint. > > You know, I have heard this many times, but it seems >implausible. Why would CxOs continue to buy a product that >takes so much work by so many expensive consultants to get >it running? Because it

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Sean, as much as we disagree about the unique-ness situation of Pacific, you're absolutely right that we have an awesome set of conferences covering CF (and other topics). I can't speak for the other people from the region on this mailing list, but all the ones below you've mentioned are on my "a

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

ColdFusion as a platform is most certainly not on its last legs. As always, this statement comes with a big "it depends". It's a matter of fact that the attention ColdFusion gets in the Pacific market (that also includes New Zealand) from the local Adobe office equals to nil. Adobe Australia is a

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs - Move to CF-Community??

> I realize this is OT, but if you're using Gmail/Google > Apps, you can > "mute" a thread: > http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=47787 Thanks for the tip Dave. I did not know that one :) ~| Want t

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs - Move to CF-Community??

> Please, can this thread end, or at least move to CF-Community or > something? I realize this is OT, but if you're using Gmail/Google Apps, you can "mute" a thread: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=47787 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs - Move to CF-Community??

Michael / Mark / Patrick Thank you! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message

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Judah: It's likely that you misunderstood. I started a CFUG in the East Bay, California area less than a year ago. I've not had Adobe attempt to influence any sort of influence over the topics we cover, nor did they attempt to mandate that the group be referred to as anything other than a CFUG.

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> I used to be a CFUG manager, so I understand. But it was my impression > that all of the CFUGs were getting converted to RIA groups. Perhaps I > misunderstood and I just need to get off my lazy ass and make a group > again :) A lot of them have switched to RIA topics, or just become more genera

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs - Move to CF-Community??

>Please, can this thread end, or at least move to CF-Community or >something? > >Thanks > Mark Man, I couldn't agree more Look, this should be for code exchanges, etc. We all live by the CF sword and die by the CF sword. If you're that worried about it, learn the other languages

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs - Move to CF-Community??

Mark, I've left the thread here so it could be disputed but after 2 days it is time to take it to the OT list. Anyone who wants to continue on the bi-monthly CF is dead thread, please go to the CF-OT list. Thanks -- Michael On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Gaulin, Mark wrote: > > Please, c

RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs - Move to CF-Community??

Please, can this thread end, or at least move to CF-Community or something? Thanks Mark ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: ht

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I used to be a CFUG manager, so I understand. But it was my impression that all of the CFUGs were getting converted to RIA groups. Perhaps I misunderstood and I just need to get off my lazy ass and make a group again :) Cheers, Judah On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Dave Watts wrote: > >> Well

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

> Well, yes and no. Adobe did have a decent user group system but then > they consolidated them and it all changed. We had a Portland CF > Usergroup but then it got changed by Adobe to a PDX RIA group and most > all of the content and discussion is around Flash and Flex. Having a > Flash and Flex

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On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Dave Watts wrote: > >> And as I ALSO said - in not so many words - Who is to say that "community >> momentum" wasn't/isn't part of the marketing? The smaller your >> product/service - the more you rely on "free" marketing techniques. > > Adobe does a pretty good

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> And as I ALSO said - in not so many words - Who is to say that "community > momentum" wasn't/isn't part of the marketing? The smaller your > product/service - the more you rely on "free" marketing techniques. Adobe does a pretty good job with supporting community-driven marketing. I don't know

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Concerning " our stuff is free and ColdFusion isn't", it is difficult to program in .NET without Visual Studio Professional and that cost $800. Microsoft will find a way to cost those developers money. >I'm considering moving back to Northern Virginia if the right opportunity >presents itself.

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>Too bad you couldn't convince them to migrate to ColdFusion 9 which has >built in Sharepoint integration out of the box. > > >abdy > >I'm considering moving back to Northern Virginia if the right opportunity >presents itself. CF in the Raleigh/Durham area is almost non existent (job >wise) I was

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On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Eric Nicholas Sweeney wrote: > So if you think Marketing by "Acme Inc." has nothing to do with it - that's > crazy talk. (I know you were just generalizing) But since we're really > talking about Adobe - that's super crazy talk. It's not like they released > CF9 a

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia

There is never a lack of "coldfusion" google alerts and here is a nice one... While this is just a fraction of the ColdFusion sites out there, it's still cool in my opinion... Today ColdfusionSites.com covers more than 2.000 ColdFusion websites. This means that

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia

> > While I think that the open-source CFML implementations are great and > > all, I think you can understand why Adobe might not present at an > > open-source conference, right? > > Adobe does a ton of good open source work, in particular around Flex. They > have a good story to tell, and based o

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As I said Xia - Everyone can point to one or two... Can you point to thousands? I am not dismissing the viral phenomena - I am just saying it's the exception. And as I ALSO said - in not so many words - Who is to say that "community momentum" wasn't/isn't part of the marketing? The smaller your p

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia

On Friday 22 Jan 2010, Dave Watts wrote: > While I think that the open-source CFML implementations are great and > all, I think you can understand why Adobe might not present at an > open-source conference, right? Adobe does a ton of good open source work, in particular around Flex. They have a

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>> Melbourne which had PHP topics, but I don't think CF would be an >> appropriate topic at an open-source conference, since, you know, it's >> closed-source. > > Nah...there's a open language spec (due any day now) and at least two open > source implementations of it, as well as Adobe's closed on

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Marketing key to success for everything? Well, I agree marketing helps in most situations and for most products--but it doesn't always have to be the case. Take a look at Wikipedia's success; there were no big bucks spent on advertising it. Take a look at that United Breaks Guitars song on

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On Thursday 21 Jan 2010, Dave Watts wrote: > Melbourne which had PHP topics, but I don't think CF would be an > appropriate topic at an open-source conference, since, you know, it's > closed-source. Nah...there's a open language spec (due any day now) and at least two open source implementations

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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: > We don't have the luxury of the conferences like you guys over their, > although one individual has taken it upon himself to try to change this. webDU? Web on the Piste? cf.Objective(ANZ)? MXDU/webDU is pretty much a fixture on the calend

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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Eric Nicholas Sweeney wrote: > Maybe it's my marketing background, but that story just doesn't hold up. The > success rate of anything based on that sort of fairytale/whimsical/lucky > business plan is extremely low. I am sure you can all point to one or two > tha

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> They were a 100% ColdFusion house, we began moving > direction and the number one thing that the company > looked at was what resources where at our disposal > in the future. And it boiled down to developers, > there were next to no jobs available. Which means > that developers are off learni

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* Sigh * You know what. This kind of stuff really upsets me. If you want change - then its time to step up and do something about it. Get involved in your local UGM, start presenting to people, go to local techups, or non-CF conventions or twitter meets. There are SO many avenues out there fo

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not losing money that's ok with Adobe. -- Josh -Original Message- From: Eric Nicholas Sweeney [mailto:n...@bigfatdesigns.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:18 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs So - the argument would be - I should really push

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

That's because Adobe are not here, actively doing what their predecessors used to do and promote their product. The job market for ColdFusion in Australia has been drying up for 10 years, you Americans don't get to see that. But that doesn;t mean we are saying that ColdFusion is dying, far from it

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Well - just because my inbox needs another 50 messages... I'm interested in the opinion that has been offered a few times in a few iterations: Developers make Coldfusion (Successful) This intrigues me - because it seems to be of the logic: If you build it, they will come. I mean - I see where y

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Now, here's the ultimate test: let's post a "ASP.NET is dying" thread to their mailing list and see if the response is as strong. [?] On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Dave Watts wrote: > > > Is that so strange?India has different problems that the rest of > > the world does not. Canada h

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> Is that so strange?    India has different problems that the rest of > the world does not.  Canada  has different problems that the rest of > the world does not.   England  has different problems that the rest of > the world does not.  France  has different problems that the rest of > the world

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> Dave, I have spent enough time in the sales operations of corporations > to know that it doesn't matter a damn what the board of directors says > - if the general sales team in a company has a widespread view that > the product sucks, it doesn't sell.   Or if they dont get the right > support, o

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> In Australia?    Are they?   Does anyone outside Adobe know? I don't know about Australia. But that's entirely irrelevant to whether CF is on its last legs. > Actually Dave,   "Adobe people"  = = "Adobe".   You are 100% wrong in > that statement. Really? So if I grab any one of the thousands

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia

Speaking about them not wanting to have you do any selling of Lifecycle, Yeah.. Most likely the attitude. I wouldn't want him selling anything for my company either. > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Mike Kear wrote: > >> Matt you're being an idiot.   I have deliberately AVOIDED mentioning >> d

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia

You specifically compared Adobe's management of ColdFusion marketing and sales efforts to those of Toyota on behalf of their dealers. Toyota dealers can only become a Toyota dealer by paying massive franchise fees up front and maintaining those payments year after year, as well as adhering to a v

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia

OK, you have just officially made me laugh so hard that my side hurts. Since when does Adobe have franchise agreements? Since when do people/companies pay Adobe hundreds of thousands of dollars in fees for which Adobe agrees to market products and/or services for them? Why do so many damn people

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Dave Watts wrote: > >> "No Mike, you're wrong the server customer base has increased over the >> last year by xx%" > > The last time I looked at Adobe's overall sales figures, CF sales were > up. Their overall sales figures are available in their public > statemen

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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Mike Kear wrote: > And dont start talking about bloody LiveCycle.  It was the Adobe > LiveCycle guy at WebDU who told me that he would never allow my > company to have anything to do with selling LiveCycle. Perhaps it was your attitude? :) (sorry, Mike, I could

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On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Sean Corfield wrote: > > Well then maybe the Australian market in completely unique in the > entire world and has different problems that the rest of the world > does not? Is that so strange?India has different problems that the rest of the world does not. C

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On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:24 AM, Dave Watts wrote: > >> I had an Adobe guy tell me a while back "we're in the IDE and Development >> Tool business not the server business. I don't know why we have ColdFusion >> at all." >> That was a bit disquieting at the time, and I wonder . what if that feeli

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Why is it that everyone is afraid to speak the truth? No worries, I'll do the dirty work. Adobe, watching helplessly (so some thought) as Australia scoffs at the world as it suffers through a major recession, are hell bent upon bringing full-on recession to Australia. Their strategy appears to

RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

ic Roberts [mailto:ow...@threeravensconsulting.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:46 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs You guys looking for any remote developers Andy? I am in Chicago... Eric -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews

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You guys looking for any remote developers Andy? I am in Chicago... Eric -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:li...@commadelimited.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:18 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs Could it be perhaps that

RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

Scott Stewart wrote: > I have *never* seen an effective deployment of Sharepoint. You know, I have heard this many times, but it seems implausible. Why would CxOs continue to buy a product that takes so much work by so many expensive consultants to get it running? My feeling is that M

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Dave Watts wrote: > You know who's in a position to DO SOMETHING? It's you, not Adobe. > You're not satisfied with how Adobe markets their product? Market your > services with that product! You're not satisfied with their presence > in user groups and conferences?

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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Justin Scott wrote: > When it comes to usergroups and conferences, and even the kinds of companies > that use ColdFusion, it has a lot to do with the culture around it.  PHP, > Perl, Python, Lisp, C, Ruby, ASP.Net, Groovy, and most other languages are > free to us

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effective deployment of Sharepoint. -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:li...@commadelimited.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:10 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs Too bad you couldn't convince them to migrate to ColdFusion 9 whi

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Sorry Dave. Blame it on no caffeine on the account of just waking up to this discussion. Lol > > weren't going anywhere, Flash was just a gleam in Future Splash's > pants, > > ^^ > > You really messed up that expression. Just thought I'd point that out. > > Da

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n.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:31 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs I think the availability of CF jobs depends a lot on how far you are willing to move and where you live. I lost my job at the end of October last year and I have not been seeing lis

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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Mike Kear wrote: > I had an Adobe guy tell me a while back "we're in the > IDE and Development Tool business  not the server business.  I dont > know why we have ColdFusion at all."    That was a bit disquieting at > the time, and I wonder . what if that feeling

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia

I was going to stay away from this thread at all costsbut I read this: >> Nothing from Adobe. I might be wrong - I hope I am, but Adobe didnt >> know much about what to do with a server product when they bought >> Macromedia, > > That's funny, because the last time I remember seeing a sent

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You're wrong ;-) 1) The economy tanked and ALL development work slowed. CF has always taken the harder hit as it is the less used technology 2) Adobe/Macromedia/Allaire and Marketing Yeahthey have all sucked equally at promoting CF...no news there. It's always driven me crazy, but I'm used t

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Well then maybe the Australian market in completely unique in the entire world and has different problems that the rest of the world does not? On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:42 AM, Andrew Scott wrote: > If anyone wishes to reflect that we are in a recession then please Explain > how the jobs for Cold

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ry 21, 2010 10:31 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs I think the availability of CF jobs depends a lot on how far you are willing to move and where you live. I lost my job at the end of October last year and I have not been seeing listed CF jobs around West Palm

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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Bryn Parrott wrote: > I've observed the same thing over a period of 10 years or so.  The Cold > Fusion market is mature, there are fewer newbies out there asking dumb > questions. That would seem to mesh with the results for CFUnited "State of the CF Union" su

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia

> "No Mike, you're wrong the server customer base has increased over the > last year by xx%" The last time I looked at Adobe's overall sales figures, CF sales were up. Their overall sales figures are available in their public statements. > "No Mike, we presented at a .Net conference in Sydney la

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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Mike Kear wrote: > I know that's a 'Chicken Little" kind of subject line.  I hope my > impressions are wrong.   Might be - i have been wrong before.  I > remember i was wrong once when i thought i was incorrect, but i wasnt. Since the entire premise of this thre

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> weren't going anywhere, Flash was just a gleam in Future Splash's pants, ^^ You really messed up that expression. Just thought I'd point that out. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a V

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> I had an Adobe guy tell me a while back "we're in the IDE and Development > Tool business not the server business. I don't know why we have ColdFusion at > all." > That was a bit disquieting at the time, and I wonder . what if that feeling >was > widespread in Adobe? What if they start seeing

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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Ben Shelden wrote: > I was speaking with a recruiter and she was telling me that she found it > interesting how the job opportunities for different languages seemed to > center around different geographical locations. She told me there were a lot > of Java jobs

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> All I know is what I see with my own eyes.  And for daring to speak > about it,  I'm getting slammed as one of the "ColdFusion is dead" > people. I can't imagine why, except that your subject line is "Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs". Perhaps, since all you know is what you see with y

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> Cold Fusion certainly has its threats, with .Net, PHP, Python & etc > alternatives out there. Originally CF had the game to itself and it > was an original concept that helped ignite enthusiasm and help to turn > the web into what it is today. Wait Bryn, you mean the days when CGI people were

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I think the availability of CF jobs depends a lot on how far you are willing to move and where you live. I lost my job at the end of October last year and I have not been seeing listed CF jobs around West Palm Beach, FL. I see plenty of job openings in the Northern Virginia area and jobs scatte

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bwo...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:46 AM > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Andy Matthews > wrote: > > > > Actually Adobe has been saying since cf.Objective 2009 (I

RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia

Gotcha. And I'm guessing that Adobe's numbers are worldwide, and not in one geographic region. -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:46 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in

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] Sent: 21 January 2010 14:46 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Andy Matthews wrote: > > Actually Adobe has been saying since cf.Objective 2009 (I was there in > person) that their user based has grown 300% over

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On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Andy Matthews wrote: > > Actually Adobe has been saying since cf.Objective 2009 (I was there in > person) that their user based has grown 300% over the last 5 years. From > 250k users around 2004 to over 800k users in 2008/2009. > In Australia?? Really?? > It j

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> Anyway, these are the reasons i think the trends tell > me ColdFusion is either a dead duck of soon to be a dead > duck at least in Sydney anyway. I dont know about other When it comes to usergroups and conferences, and even the kinds of companies that use ColdFusion, it has a lot to do with t

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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Mike Kear wrote: > > [A] there is almost no new development going on in ColdFusionIn > the last 12 months there has been just a handful of coldfusion jobs > advertised. And most of those have been advertised by time-wasters > who didnt end up appointing an

RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia

sage- From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:34 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia What would be a whole lot better is if someone said 'no you are wrong, Mike, look at all the things we're doin

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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:06 AM, Mike Kear wrote: > > You are being a jerk Phillip. Sorry I come across that way. It isn't my intent. If you wish to consider me a jerk and that makes you feel better, then feel free. >  I'm talking about one of the world's > largest and most sophisticated cities

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From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:18 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs Interesting, John. Actually of those 32 jobs om Australia, 4 are in Sydney, the biggest city in the country, One is for a .NET develo

RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia

ssage- From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com] Sent: 21 January 2010 14:07 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs You are being a jerk Phillip. I'm talking about one of the world's largest and most sophisticated cities. The largest city in a very a

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THE RUMORS OF MY DEMISE ARE GREATLY EXAGERATED - Mark Twain Just a couple of comments on this issue: 1. We are deploying new CF sites every month. Many are major... banks, universities, colleges, credit unions, hospitals, etc. 2. Jack Henry is one of the major providers of on-line banking serv

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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:54 AM, Mike Kear wrote: > > Go ahead.  Bash me. if it amuses you. Bash away. But it doesnt change > the problem.  Its ignoring the problem I'm trying so hard to point > out.   We're all so scared to say that Adobe arent doing much because > we might be labelled one of th

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You are being a jerk Phillip. I'm talking about one of the world's largest and most sophisticated cities. The largest city in a very advanced economy. And in this city of nearly 5 million people there are apparently 4 jobs for people involving ColdFusion, and of those, only 2 actually want any

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No, Phillip. I have been busy all year, but i dug up projects of my own. What i am concerned about is the apparent lack of activity on the part of anyone to get new ColdFusion sites up and going, while most of us can point to CF sites that have gone to other technologies. Go ahead. Bash me. if

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia

What would be a whole lot better is if someone said 'no you are wrong, Mike, look at all the things we're doing to promote Coldfusion to .net/php/java users: a: b: c: etc' or "No Mike, you're wrong the server customer base has increased over the last year by xx%" or "No Mike, we presented at a

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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Mike Kear wrote: > > Interesting, John.   Actually of those 32 jobs om Australia,   4 are > in Sydney, the biggest city in the country, So go to the 28 other jobs and explain to them why telecommuting would be good for their company and expand your pool. Either

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Interesting, John. Actually of those 32 jobs om Australia, 4 are in Sydney, the biggest city in the country, One is for a .NET developer and exposure to Coldfusion would be an advantage, Another is for a FLASH developer with some exposure to Coldfusion. So those two arent really coldfusion

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ast > 10 > years either. > > It really sickens me that the excuse of a recession is used, are you saying > that we have been in a recession for the last 10 years Sean? I don't thinks > so. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi..

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:54 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs Surely most of the people who read Mike's original message do not live in Australia and do not have first-hand knowledge of the state of CF there. However, Mike's subject was not "Why i fear ColdFusion is on i

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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: > Ah, Mike, how long's it been since your last "ColdFusion is dead" post? > A very long time. In the past i have joined discussions on this topic, saying something along the lines that 'even if Adobe announced the cancellation of the product

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you saying > that we have been in a recession for the last 10 years Sean? I don't thinks > so. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2010 6:03 PM > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: Why i

RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

com] Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2010 6:03 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs The pool of CFers is constantly growing. Rates are still higher for CFers than most other web technologies. There are more CFML conferences and events than ever. But there is a recessio

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

Anecdotal but still interesting(?): I'm not actively job-searching but I do receive email-notifications re: new CF opportunities from: - GetColdFusionJobs.com - LinkedIn - CFManiacs:ColdFusion Developers Group - LinkedIn - ColdFusion - 3000+ Members! - LinkedIn - ColdFusion - cf-j...@houseoffusio

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

Wow ? Seriously ? ColdFusion is dead ? *Again* :-) -- Helping to continually develop front-end next-generation edge-of-your-seat holistic mindshares as part of the IT team of the year, '09 and '08 This email is sent for and on behalf of Hal

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Mike: > >[A] there is almost no new development going on in ColdFusion An exaggeration I think. Yes, there are less jobs, but mostly this comes down to the effects of the recession. In times of uncertainty, companies invest less where there is perceived risk. Web Application development is

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

Mike: > >[A] there is almost no new development going on in ColdFusion An exaggeration I think. Yes, there are less jobs, but mostly this comes down to the effects of the recession. In times of uncertainty, companies invest less where there is perceived risk. Web Application development is

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

There was a lot of activity in Europe in 2009: * ColdFusion Insider Workshop Tour, which visited a good dozen European countries if not more * Ben Forta UG Tour, probably visiting half a dozen countries, if not more * Scotch on the Road UK and Scotch on the Road Europe, which visited Scotland, En

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I can't speak to your experience with [A] or [C], but I will try to do a parallel to [B]. In Los Angeles, we have had what amounts to a 'dead' CF user group. I think 2 meetings in the last year since it was resurrected, after being shelved for many many years. However, the job market for CF dev

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

2010/1/21 Sean Corfield > > I don't actually see it locally - there are three CFUGs within easy > driving distance for me and they're all active and have lots of > interesting (and CF-focused) talks. But I am hearing it from various > parts of the world. Is it a UG manager problem perhaps? i.e

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Mike Kear wrote: > I know that's a 'Chicken Little" kind of subject line.  I hope my > impressions are wrong.   Might be - i have been wrong before.  I > remember i was wrong once when i thought i was incorrect, but i wasnt. Ah, Mike, how long's it been since you

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

Eric, I hope you're right and i'm just panicking unnecessarily. But when i see little or no promotion, very little discussion about CF, bugger all interest from the user groups, and no jobs that adds up to a pretty serious malaise i fear. Every night i have some of my favourite job boards se

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