On 11/8/05, Burns, John D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The reason I ask is that we currently do some development for sites that
> use Oracle and are hosted on navy bases. We currently have a copy of
> CFMX 6 Enterprise just for that purpose. We're upgrading to 7 and I'm
> curious if we'd need to ke
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Subject: RE: Oracle drivers (was: RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from
Max..)
> Oh, cool. Is there a big difference in the drivers? I'm assuming the
> DataDirect drivers work better but I'm guessing I could be wrong too?
There are differences, although I'm not sure what they are,
> Oh, cool. Is there a big difference in the
> drivers? I'm assuming the DataDirect drivers
> work better but I'm guessing I could be wrong
> too?
There are differences, although I'm not sure what they are, exactly. The
DataDirect drivers may be better, but I suspect that depends on the
specif
Can we change this subject line now? It's been going for over a week now and
has NO bearing on Rumors from Max any longer.
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> Wouldn't you also need CF Enterprise to connect to the oracle
> database? I can't remember, but I thought someone told me that before.
> I only use CF Sta
> Wouldn't you also need CF Enterprise to connect to the oracle
> database? I can't remember, but I thought someone told me that
> before. I only use CF Standard.
Only Enterprise comes with Oracle drivers from DataDirect, but you can
download and use Oracle's own JDBC drivers with CFMX Standard
[SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
never mind. googled "ADO" and had the answer in 2 shakes.
If ADO is an automatically-installed part of a Windows system, I wonder
then how the *n*x guys get Access connectivity.
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 9:55 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
> Actually your cash outlay for Oracle is zero. Oracle 10G Express just
> came out and its free.
As someone pointed out to me the other day, it's
On 11/5/05, Paul Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> of course, unicode is the cure for all your ailments ;-) but be careful
> w/that jadozoom driver, it has it's own quirks such as it's own set of
> reserved words.
Hey Paul... where you been hiding?
Yeah I've noticed the quirk o' the reserved
Matt Robertson wrote:
> As an aside I had quite a few Access db's at the time I switched over
> to 6.1. Using the Unicode drivers, I never had a lick of trouble with
> any of them.
of course, unicode is the cure for all your ailments ;-) but be careful
w/that jadozoom driver, it has it's own qui
never mind. googled "ADO" and had the answer in 2 shakes.
If ADO is an automatically-installed part of a Windows system, I
wonder then how the *n*x guys get Access connectivity.
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On 11/4/05, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't think the MS Access w/Unicode driver is native. It talks to ADO
> instead of ODBC. The driver class is com.inzoom.jdbcado.Driver:
Curious. So strictly speaking is ADO just the same horse painted
over, so to speak? Not familiar with it.
> Actually your cash outlay for Oracle is zero. Oracle 10G Express
> just came out and its free.
As someone pointed out to me the other day, it's still in beta.
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> Are you using the "MS Access with Unicode Support" drivers? Or
> are you using the "MS Access" drivers?
>
> If you are using the latter, you are making a bridge to ODBC
> from JDBC and back again. Very much more overhead and, as per
> MM best practice, ODBC bridges should not be used in a pro
Speaking of drivers - we have a client that insists on using dbase on their web
server (part of a legacy app that they want ported to the web). We're trying
to get them away from using dbase as I've seen dbase ODBC completely stop
responding. I used to have links to information confirming this
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From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 November 2005 19:25
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
On 11/4/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No I have not used the unicode drivers, so would not suffer form the
> problems you specify. I
On 11/4/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No I have not used the unicode drivers, so would not suffer form the
> problems you specify. I have setup using that driver a couple of times, and
> things just didn't work properly.
Actually the problems I referenced are all native to the drivers YOU
NEED to
> spend £50k on Oracle.
>
> Russ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 04 November 2005 17:23
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
>
> You need to run Oracle.
> We have problems wit
I have actually tried that, doesn't appear to help.
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From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 November 2005 17:51
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
I think the solution to that is to allow at most one single connection
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Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
On 11/4/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Our CF5 server needs restarting much less often than the CFMX servers.
> Whenever a site using an Access databases gets a lot of traffic and
> overloads the database with too ma
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From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 12:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
Our CF5 server needs restarting much less often than the CFMX servers.
Whenever a site using an Access databases gets a lot of traffic an
That can be used for hosting prod websites? I figured it could but been too
lazy to read up on it.
On 11/4/05, Matt Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Actuallyyour cash outlay for Oracle is zero. Oracle 10G Express just
> came out and its free. However it sounds like you're an ISP and I
> do
Actuallyyour cash outlay for Oracle is zero. Oracle 10G Express just
came out and its free. However it sounds like you're an ISP and I
doubt you're going to find much use for it if your environment is
shared-server mom-and-pop web sites running access.
Try the native Access drivers if you haven;
On 11/4/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Our CF5 server needs restarting much less often than the CFMX servers.
> Whenever a site using an Access databases gets a lot of traffic and
> overloads the database with too many connections, CFMX just falls over. CF5
> doesn't.
Are you using the "MS
NEED
Like my wife NEEDS new shoes.
To date I have done just fine with SQL Server and haven't found a NEED to
spend £50k on Oracle.
Russ
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From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 November 2005 17:23
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors
If you know how to concince all the Access users to do that, I am open to
suggestions, because they don't listen to me.
Russ
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From: Justin D. Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 November 2005 17:12
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max
17:15
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
lets see.
access
cf5
what stone is it that you reside under?
sql server and cfmx7 = the way the light and the truth!
tw
On 11/4/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Our CF5 server needs restarting much less often than
You need to run Oracle.
We have problems with some sites we migrated from CF5 to MX6.1 Our problem
is related to something that should never been done with CF in the first
place but it was done and makes it hard to argue against it after so much
time. Both of them have to deal with pulling down la
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 12:13 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
>
> Our CF5 server needs restarting much less often than the CFMX servers.
> Whenever a site using an Access databases gets a lot of traffic and
> overloads the database with
s gets a lot of traffic and
> overloads the database with too many connections, CFMX just falls over. CF5
> doesn't.
>
> Russ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 04 November 2005 15:58
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject:
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Sent: 04 November 2005 15:58
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
Yes, perhaps he lives in a parallel dimension where everything is opposite
our reality. CF5... stable... that was a joke right?
-Adam
On 11/4/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> P
t: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
CF 6+ only sucked until I got my house in order, codewise.
Now the only time I need to restart/reboot is when MS
introduces a new security patch.
I've got a client that moved from CF5 to 6.1 just a couple
months ago (they had an unused Enterprise licen
dude, 7 is the bomb and i dont know how else to say it.
and do this, stay on 5, so that when we are on scorpio
we can laugh even louder.
:) jk really, but seriously, i would def. make the upgrade
WAYY worth it.
tw
On 11/4/05, Matt Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> CF 6+ only sucked until I
CF 6+ only sucked until I got my house in order, codewise. Now the
only time I need to restart/reboot is when MS introduces a new
security patch.
I've got a client that moved from CF5 to 6.1 just a couple months ago
(they had an unused Enterprise license already and didn't want to pay
for 7) and
allover nearly as
> much
> as CFMX.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 04 November 2005 15:03
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
>
> If you can't see a reason to move to MX from 5,
> -Original Message-
> From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 04 November 2005 15:03
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
>
> If you can't see a reason to move to MX from 5, then you may be hoplessly
> lost.
>
> -A
> Perhaps because his CF5 server is stable and doesn't fallover nearly as
> much
> as CFMX.
which would be "never" in my own personal experience running a CFMX
server
I mean, since we're being all anecdotal and stuff...
~~~
Perhaps because his CF5 server is stable and doesn't fallover nearly as much
as CFMX.
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From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 November 2005 15:03
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
If you can't see a reason to move
So forget about the java improvements. The fact that everything is
exposed in structs now is worth its weight in gold. I'm moving over
my last CF 5 server to CF 7 within the next few days. I can't wait to
be able to do proper debugging with halfway decent diagnostics.
Never had any connectivity
day, November 03, 2005 9:13 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
>
> > Why exactly was CFMX6 needed to save the product from CF5,
> if that's
> > what you meant?
> > Just curious as I
2005 5:23 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
>
> (1) Full Open Source would be bad: who would pay to keep
> Ben's beard well trimmed?
>
> (2) If there is a movement to Open Source CF, then I would
> suggest the
> following:
>
> a) Sta
> No, wasn't Heaven's Gate the last decent movie Warren Beatty ever made?
Warren Beatty is a CF user?
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From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:13 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
> Why exactly was CFMX6 needed to save the product from CF5,
if that's
> what you meant?
> Just curious as I am
No, wasn't Heaven's Gate the last decent movie Warren Beatty ever made?
On 11/3/05, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That was Heaven's Gate. And they lived in Rancho Santa Fe.
>
> http://www.slate.com/id/2583/
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>I think that was the littleendians...
>
>On 11/3/05, Jeff Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > what exactly are we talking about here?
>>
>> Not really sure...weren't the "Macromedians" those people in San
If I didn't do CF, I would probably do ASP. There isn't anything wrong with
it really.
I have to say, we very rarely have ASP falling over on our servers.
Russ
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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03 November 2005 07:36
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Rumor
wisdom and
abuse at the same time."
From: "Jeff Small" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max...
> what exactly are we talking about here?
Not re
I think that was the littleendians...
On 11/3/05, Jeff Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > what exactly are we talking about here?
>
> Not really sure...weren't the "Macromedians" those people in San Diego that
> had the website and all wore Nikes when they committed mass suicide?
~~
> what exactly are we talking about here?
Not really sure...weren't the "Macromedians" those people in San Diego that
had the website and all wore Nikes when they committed mass suicide?
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On Wednesday 02 November 2005 23:23, Stephen Cassady wrote:
> (1) Full Open Source would be bad: who would pay to keep Ben's beard well
> trimmed?
Plenty of people have very well paid jobs writing in free languages.
> b) Enterprise remains cost, but drops in price (I would keep paying for
> that)
what exactly are we talking about here?
Mike
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From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max...
macromedians are more prevalent than you might think.
i have NEVER had a moment
macromedians are more prevalent than you might think.
i have NEVER had a moment, where i couldnt get up with at least one of them.
now thats cool.
tony
On 11/3/05, Andy McShane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From my personal experience I have to say that the help & support offered by
> Bluedragon
>From my personal experience I have to say that the help & support offered by
Bluedragon is second to none, the willingness and eagerness to help is a
total breath of fresh air. Regardless of whether Coldfusion goes open source
or not I for one prefer to know that there is someone 'from the company
> Why exactly was CFMX6 needed to save the product from CF5,
> if that's what you meant?
> Just curious as I am still in love with 5.0
>
> Terry Troxel
I think he's referring to the move to Java.
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From: "Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> If anything I hope they open source fireworks... please don't let that one
> die in the shadow of photoshop send me the code I'll keep it up :)
Dude, I am *right there* with ya. I don't think people realize just how
*powerful* Firewo
D]>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:21 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Rumors from Max...
Ok, I've had a few vodka tonics so you'll have to excuse me if I don't make
much sense...
"Rumor is, Adobe might release CF to the open source community..."
>From what I
Ok, I've had a few vodka tonics so you'll have to excuse me if I don't make
much sense...
"Rumor is, Adobe might release CF to the open source community..."
>From what I have seen that's just nuts - at one of birds of a feather
sessions at MAX, a guy happened to mention that he decompile coldfusi
>What concerns me with respect to taking this route is the development
>path of the product. ColdFusion Application Server would be one hell
>of a big sourceforge project. Yeah I know linux did it, but there
>would have to be a sizable brain trust commitment from corporations to
>keep the CF plat
: 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
(1) Full Open Source would be bad: who would pay to keep
Ben's beard well trimmed?
(2) If there is a movement to Open Source CF, then I would
suggest the
following:
a) Standard becomes "Free". Does almost everything.
b) Enterprise remains cost, but dro
>>Ben's beard well trimmed?
Was it ever well trimmed? I missed that ;-)
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(1) Full Open Source would be bad: who would pay to keep Ben's beard well
trimmed?
(2) If there is a movement to Open Source CF, then I would suggest the
following:
a) Standard becomes "Free". Does almost everything.
b) Enterprise remains cost, but drops in price (I would keep paying for
that)
What concerns me with respect to taking this route is the development
path of the product. ColdFusion Application Server would be one hell
of a big sourceforge project. Yeah I know linux did it, but there
would have to be a sizable brain trust commitment from corporations to
keep the CF platform
rs,
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: November 2, 2005 12:20 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max...
I have never been a big fan of open source, I always preferred having a
company to call for support.
But that possibility vanished with Alla
ragon, because New Atlanta
are more like Allaire, and at least you actually get support from them.
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From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 November 2005 16:39
To: CF-Talk
Subject: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max...
> Seriously. Do we really need t
Munson, Jacob wrote:
>>I wouldn't think this would happen. Many federal agencies have a large
>>commitment to ColdFusion, if it goes open source (with no single
>>authoritative source for support IE: Adobe) It'll leave
>>theses agencies with a product that they'll drop like a bad habit.
I don't a
> Seriously. Do we really need to have a bunch of retarded posts about
> the demise of ColdFusionAGAIN!
Hmm..I actually didn't see it as the "demise of ColdFusion"...I thought it
sounded like a really great idea. Take something that's had the benefit of
years of company development and solid
LOL!
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From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 November 2005 16:09
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Rumors from Max...
Seriously. Do we really need to have a bunch of retarded posts about
the demise of ColdFusionAGAIN!
As long as CF turns a profit, it will
;
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 02 November 2005 15:26
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: Rumors from Max...
> >
> > On Tuesday 01 November 2005 18:51, Jeff Small wrote:
> > > &
> I wouldn't think this would happen. Many federal agencies have a large
> commitment to ColdFusion, if it goes open source (with no single
> authoritative source for support IE: Adobe) It'll leave
> theses agencies with
> a product that they'll drop like a bad habit.
>
> That's too big of a sing
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> From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 02 November 2005 15:26
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Rumors from Max...
>
> On Tuesday 01 November 2005 18:51, Jeff Small wrote:
> > "Rumor is, Adobe might release CF to the open source community..."
of a single customer base to just leave out in the cold.
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From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subj
LOL.I doubt that will happen - though I suppose if it does it will be
day we move off it.
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From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 November 2005 15:26
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Rumors from Max...
On Tuesday 01 November 2005 18:51, Jeff Small
On Tuesday 01 November 2005 18:51, Jeff Small wrote:
> "Rumor is, Adobe might release CF to the open source community..."
I would only be moderately surprised, though very excited, if this became
true.
A few years ago, CFML was about the only easy, quick way to build a dynamic
web site (certain
Okay, I'll go first...
"Rumor is, Adobe might release CF to the open source community..."
That was the best one I heard...any others have any wild ones to report?
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