RE: Stopping a Screen Scrape

2007-07-19 Thread Dan G. Switzer, II
Randy, >I am not sure I agree with your statement. If I choose to make my >printer friendly page a graphic instead of a standard html table as long >as it still prints fine you would have no recourse. About the only thing >you could do is take your business elsewhere. Right? Unless you have an ag

Re: Stopping a Screen Scrape

2007-07-19 Thread Claude Schneegans
>> no matter what approach you take, they will get the content from the page. Exactly, and even if the approach is 100% efficient, they will not pay anyway. So any attempt to stop them is a waste of time. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.c

Re: Stopping a Screen Scrape

2007-07-18 Thread Paul Ihrig
gif's are your friend. animated. with a tranprarent 2 pixel deal bouncing back & fors. with content in same said gif, animatinting in oposit dir.. ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 & Fl

Re: Stopping a Screen Scrape

2007-07-18 Thread Cameron Childress
Recourse against what? Once a company gets to the point of intentionally breaking their product to make it less useful to their customers, it's a very bad sign. I have no idea why either party would still want to be in such a business relationship unless one is holding the other's data hostag

Re: Stopping a Screen Scrape

2007-07-18 Thread Phillip M. Vector
I believe Cameron was questioning the morality of designing something like that instead of the technical issues. Personally, I think that if I provide data to your company, I should be able to scrape it back if I'm already paying for your service. It's kind of ass-hatish to do what you are cons

Re: Stopping a Screen Scrape

2007-07-18 Thread Randy Johnson
I am not sure I agree with your statement. If I choose to make my printer friendly page a graphic instead of a standard html table as long as it still prints fine you would have no recourse. About the only thing you could do is take your business elsewhere. Right? -Randy Cameron Childress wrot

Re: Stopping a Screen Scrape

2007-07-18 Thread Randy Johnson
; From: Jason Liebgott > To: CF-Talk > Sent: Wed Jul 18 18:53:19 2007 > Subject: Re: Stopping a Screen Scrape > > I don't charge anybody anything. I'm a programmer. I don't make up the sales > rules or talk to clients. > > This company has offered clients a

Re: Stopping a Screen Scrape

2007-07-18 Thread Randy Johnson
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Re: Stopping a Screen Scrape

2007-07-18 Thread Cameron Childress
Does this application contain financial data for the company? Are they attempting to get access to their own financial information in order to put it into QB and run their business? Your employer wants to prevent them from doing this? This raises a ton of ethical and moral questions. I know

Re: Stopping a Screen Scrape

2007-07-18 Thread David McCan
I am not sure how they are doing the screen scraping, but perhaps something like a clear gif stretched over the page would be an impediment (to cut and paste). Good luck. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & M

Re: Stopping a Screen Scrape

2007-07-18 Thread Michael michaeldavid
I have had to deal with the scraping of reports problem before. I solved it by presenting report content with a flash object. Cheers! Michael David > Printing is the point of the report... hitting print screen would be > fine. I am just looking for a way to obfuscate the printer friendly > f

Re: Stopping a Screen Scrape

2007-07-18 Thread Jason Liebgott
Printing is the point of the report... hitting print screen would be fine. I am just looking for a way to obfuscate the printer friendly from scrape technology that would convert the output HTML to say a CSV or pipe delimited. I agree that "stopping" somebody intent on this is improbable. they

Re: Stopping a Screen Scrape

2007-07-18 Thread J.J. Merrick
I was going to suggest sending the report to a PDF and turning off copy and pasting... but then I read it was CF5 so yeah you are just going to have to make it HARDER to do but I don't think you can prevent it totally. J.J. On 7/18/07, Jason Liebgott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just started w

Re: Stopping a Screen Scrape

2007-07-18 Thread Jerry Johnson
As we all know, the bane of scraping is inconsistency, and changing specs. So, make sure your page is inconsistent and changes constantly. Add extra divs, change the id and names of the divs, change the style and other attributes on each page load, Change the number and attributes or div, span, t

Re: Stopping a Screen Scrape

2007-07-18 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
ithin this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Jason Liebgott To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed Jul 18 18:53:19 2007 Subject: Re: Stopping a Screen Scrape I don't charge anybody

Re: Stopping a Screen Scrape

2007-07-18 Thread Jason Liebgott
>I think as an intellectual challenge it would be fun to try to thwart >the screen scraper, but how much does the upgrade cost? > >I don't really personally care or want to know what you charge for the >upgrade, but think of it in terms of, "We charge $xx.xx for the >upgrade, the fix is going to ta

Re: Stopping a Screen Scrape

2007-07-18 Thread Jason Liebgott
I don't charge anybody anything. I'm a programmer. I don't make up the sales rules or talk to clients. This company has offered clients a "Lite" version for a reduced price and one of the features is a print friendly of a report. I have no idea how much the upgrade costs - but it comes with ex

Re: Stopping a Screen Scrape

2007-07-18 Thread Alan Rother
Exhibitions." > Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com > > -Original Message- > From: Jason Liebgott > To: CF-Talk > Sent: Wed Jul 18 17:59:23 2007 > Subject: Stopping a Screen Scrape > > Just started working on a legacy application built in CF5. It appea

Re: Stopping a Screen Scrape

2007-07-18 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
essed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Jason Liebgott To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed Jul 18 17:59:23 2007 Subject: Stopping a Screen Scrape Just started working o

Stopping a Screen Scrape

2007-07-18 Thread Jason Liebgott
Just started working on a legacy application built in CF5. It appears that one of the users is screen scraping printer friendly HTML output and moving the data into quick books in order to avoid paying for the export upgrade. Ideas I've had to muck up the data to stop the scraper: 1. random whit