[cfaussie] Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Ryan Sabir
Maybe this should be posted in CFJOBS, but that place is so deserted you can hear the tumbleweeds going past.   Where are all the good CF developers these days? We've had a job ad up for 2 weeks advertising a CF developer position and have only had a few responses. I remember the days when

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Scott Barnes
Management... all the good ones have retired to management to die of a natural but cost effective death heh.   On 5/4/06, Ryan Sabir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Maybe this should be posted in CFJOBS, but that place is so deserted you can hear the tumbleweeds going past.   Where are all the good CF

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Dale Fraser
It’s a problem a big problem   Ben Forta calls this Coldfusion Thriving.   http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm/2006/5/2/ColdFusion-Thriving-In-San-Diego Regards Dale Fraser From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: T

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Ryan Sabir
  Wow that means AppleScript, LOGO, and COBOL 77 are thriving as well, because I haven't been able to find any competant developers in those languages.   I see where he's coming from, but is it also possible that the right people aren't learning CF these days?     Here's a joke for the old

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Steve Onnis
 im here -Original Message-From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dale FraserSent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 5:18 PMTo: cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone? It’s a problem a big problem

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread M@ Bourke
>Where are all the good CF developers these days?Well it all started back  in Nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say "dickety" because the Kaiser had stolen the wold "twenty". I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles. what happened was everyone seemed to think computers

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread M@ Bourke
Hi RyanJust read your job ad and have some *friendly* advice, if you want more applications I'd strongly think over the following in the ad"Senior"Someone might be brilliant but not consider them self experienced enough to be senior "minimum of 4 to 5 years experience in professional new media agen

[cfaussie] Re: [OT] SPAM laws

2006-05-04 Thread Kay Smoljak
On 5/3/06, Taco Fleur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was wondering whether anyone could direct me into the direction of a > document that sort of spells our what SPAM exactly is, i.e. when is an email > to someone SPAM and illegal. http://www.dcita.gov.au/ie/spam_home -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Dale Fraser
Wow,   So   The jobs went to India The dot com companies closed   So there should be more people than jobs.   I actually think   The CF people have re skilled in something else like .NET They no longer look for CF positions cause there are heaps of .NET ones   And I agree with

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Barry Beattie
> They don't exactly walk out of uni with any knowledge of CF man, I tried, y'know. gave it a really good shake in 2003 teaching CF to about 120 students. only 2 that I know of ever took it further (g'day RobS). but then I was gone and they switched to PHP, claiming market relivance or some bull

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Joel Cass
 As someone with about 8 years experience and no degree, I find these ads uninteresting and probably representative of a highly bureaucratic culture (the need for CS degree), that has been "burnt" many times by generations X & Y ("we want someone interested in a long term position"). It is o

[cfaussie] Slightly OT - I hate inherited queries

2006-05-04 Thread Seona Bellamy
Hi guys, I've inherited an extremely complex query for our site's classified listings. I've managed to make it slightly less complicated since I've changed the table structure in the database somewhat - I felt it somewhat unnecessary to have the data divided into quite as many tables as they had.

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Patrick Branley
My 2cps. i have no idea what your job is paying, just commenting in general here.You kinda have to wonder why someone with CS degree would bother with a less than 50k CF postion in Sydney. If im a recent grad i can get pretty much that in an grad program for any big corporate with a nice big compan

[cfaussie] Re: Slightly OT - I hate inherited queries

2006-05-04 Thread Blair McKenzie
Indenting is your friend. As you can see from the following, the first paranthesis matches the second last. You need to add another bracket to the front. I just did the first query, not the one being combined, but I wouldn't be surprised if you have a similar problem there. Anyway, that's why the e

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Ryan Sabir
I'm seeing a lot of questions around my requirement that the applicant needs to have a CS degree.   While I know some great web developers who have never gone near a CS degree, I find that there are certain concepts and methodologies that come to a CS graduate much more easily than someone w

[cfaussie] Re: Slightly OT - I hate inherited queries

2006-05-04 Thread Patrick Branley
get rid of the brackets on the inner join, from what i can tell they are doing sweet FA.inner joins are eqivalent to a WHERE join , dont use join unless you are doing OUTERs .you should also consider creating a VIEW in the db so you dont have to do all the joins for every query. PatOn 5/5/06, Seona

[cfaussie] Re: Slightly OT - I hate inherited queries

2006-05-04 Thread Chris Velevitch
And the use of unions is not my strong point, but shouldn't all the column names match e.g. you've got cl.ID and cl.classifiedID in column one shouldn't that column have the same name? Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~

[cfaussie] Re: Slightly OT - I hate inherited queries

2006-05-04 Thread Seona Bellamy
Ah, brilliant! Thank you so much. I knew it was going to be something simple, but I couldn't think of what. Didn't think of indenting though. I'll remember that one in future. :) Cheers, Seona.On 05/05/06, Blair McKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Indenting is your friend. As you can see from th

[cfaussie] Re: Slightly OT - I hate inherited queries

2006-05-04 Thread Seona Bellamy
On 05/05/06, Chris Velevitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And the use of unions is not my strong point, but shouldn't all thecolumn names match e.g. you've got cl.ID and cl.classifiedID in columnone shouldn't that column have the same name? Yeah, that was another error I picked up after I'd posted th

[cfaussie] Re: Slightly OT - I hate inherited queries

2006-05-04 Thread Seona Bellamy
On 05/05/06, Patrick Branley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: get rid of the brackets on the inner join, from what i can tell they are doing sweet FA.inner joins are eqivalent to a WHERE join , dont use join unless you are doing OUTERs .you should also consider creating a VIEW in the db so you dont have

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread M@ Bourke
Dale Wrote>The jobs went to India>The dot com companies closed>So there should be more people than jobs.No no no, what I meant was the dot com companies closed less people stuck around and less people enrolled in IT jobs were supposedly all going to India so less people enrolled in ITthen companies

[cfaussie] Slightly OT - I hate inherited queries

2006-05-04 Thread Scott Thornton
someone has copied and pasted that query from Microsoft Access originally.. it uses brackets.. or maybe Crystal Reports was used to generate it. I have never seen anyone type them themselves. >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5/05/2006 9:58 am >>> get rid of the brackets on the inner join, from what i can

[cfaussie] Slightly OT - I hate inherited queries

2006-05-04 Thread Scott Thornton
The name of the column is taken from the first query of union query. This name can be referenced in an order by statement which is quite useful. >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5/05/2006 10:07 am >>> And the use of unions is not my strong point, but shouldn't all the column names match e.g. you've got c

[cfaussie] Re: Slightly OT - I hate inherited queries

2006-05-04 Thread Steve Onnis
Yeah thats right for a union to work all the columns in each union query have to be the same -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Thornton Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 11:09 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Slightl

[cfaussie] Re: Slightly OT - I hate inherited queries

2006-05-04 Thread Chris Velevitch
On 5/5/06, Scott Thornton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > inner joins are eqivalent to a WHERE join , dont use join unless you are > doing OUTERs . Why? Won't you clutter up the where clause with lots of join expressions? > you should also consider creating a VIEW in the db so you dont have to do >

[cfaussie] Slightly OT - I hate inherited queries

2006-05-04 Thread Scott Thornton
The same datatype, and the same number of columns yes. >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5/05/2006 11:17 am >>> Yeah thats right for a union to work all the columns in each union query have to be the same -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott

[cfaussie] Re: Slightly OT - I hate inherited queries

2006-05-04 Thread Seona Bellamy
On 05/05/06, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah thats rightfor a union to work all the columns in each union query have to be the same-Original Message-From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: cfaussie@googlegroups.com]OnBehalf Of Scott ThorntonThe name of the column is taken from

[cfaussie] Re: Slightly OT - I hate inherited queries

2006-05-04 Thread Blair McKenzie
I don't get any results when submitting a post code in that form. The other one (top) works ok though.On 5/5/06, Seona Bellamy < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 05/05/06, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah thats rightfor a union to work all the columns in each union query have to be the sa

[cfaussie] Freelance CF Programmers Required

2006-05-04 Thread Bianca
Looking for freelance CF programmers for very straight forward small - medium web application work. Using MySQL or Access Databases. Pref Australian due to time change but feel free to make contact either way, since with email and FTP what more do we need? --~--~-~--~~~--

[cfaussie] Re: Freelance CF Programmers Required

2006-05-04 Thread Bianca
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[cfaussie] Microsoft Dynamics Integration

2006-05-04 Thread Carl Vanderpal
Hello CF Aussie, Just wondering if any on the list have had any experience with the following MS ProductsDynamics = Solomon, Great Plains, Axapta, CRM, and Navision?If so, have you done any integration with ColdFusion with any of them.. Thanks Postal: Po Box 3462

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Robin Hilliard
On 04/05/2006, at 5:00 PM, Ryan Sabir wrote:Where are all the good CF developers these days?  From what I can tell, they're happily employed as CF developers...We have several Sydney positions (including yours) and two in Melbourne I can't fill at present.  What we're experiencing is a lack of expe

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Mark Mandel
Robin, I had no idea you had positions in melbourne? There doesn't seem to be a huge amount of opportunity in Melbourne as opposed to other cities (Sydney, Brisbane) for CF positions. When I was looking for a new job ~ 2-4 months ago, I was scrounging to find CF development positions. It was ac

[cfaussie] Re: Slightly OT - I hate inherited queries

2006-05-04 Thread Seona Bellamy
I think I've fixed that problem. The form was submitting to the wrong place - damn typo! I've also fixed the problem of the extraneous looping - I forgot to put the "group" attribute into the that's looping over the query. *blush* Ooops Cheers, Seona.On 05/05/06, Blair McKenzie <[EMAIL PROT

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Barry Beattie
> > We're just seeing demand exceed supply at the moment - if you believe in > market forces and regression to the mean this should sort itself out soon. > how? like this?: "lets not do this next project in ColdFusion - we can't get (and keep) enough CF developers" and the number of CF projects

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Steve Onnis
I meant Robin :) -Original Message-From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Robin HilliardSent: Friday, May 05, 2006 1:20 PMTo: cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?On 04/05/2006, at 5:00 PM, R

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Ryan Sabir
Just on this... Has anyone tried telling a group of non-ColdFusion types that you are looking for a ColdFusion developer? After the laughter subsides I get a pretty standard response that CF is on its way out, everyones learning .NET and/or LAMP based development these days. If that is the g

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Steve Onnis
What are the positions you are trying to fill Robbin? -Original Message-From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Robin HilliardSent: Friday, May 05, 2006 1:20 PMTo: cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF develop

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Dale Fraser
Yeah, Get that a lot even from our ex internal java people, but that didn't stop me rewriting all java stuff in Coldfusion. Next time they might think twice before canning a language they know nothing about. Regards Dale Fraser -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailt

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Gary Menzel
From the perspective of a place like ABN AMRO Morgans (not that there is anything in the pipeline) we are continually being faced with the Microsoft machine (and so many promising - NOTE, this does not mean they actually deliver - technologies and integrations) that means we continually need to re-

[cfaussie] Re: Freelance CF Programmers Required

2006-05-04 Thread Steve Onnis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] if you want to talk more Bianca Steve -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bianca Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 1:11 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Freelance CF Programmers Required Looking for freelance CF programm

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Barry Beattie
at least there's some chat along these lines: The Coldfusion Podcast Episode 19 - Where is Coldfusion? http://www.coldfusionpodcast.com/node/52 (from about 5 minutes in) they make an interesting point about Adobe marketing to people (unlike Macromedia) - have a listen especially when you equate

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Robin Hilliard
> After the laughter subsides I get a pretty standard response that > CF is on its way out, everyones learning .NET and/or LAMP based > development these days. You would have got the same response 5 years ago, and yet... > Its interesting what you hear when you leave Adobe's Reality > Dis

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Dale Fraser
Ok, I'll bite I've obviously missed something. What the hell is LAMP I've never heard of it! Regards Dale Fraser -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard Sent: Friday, 5 May 2006 16:16 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Su

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Dale Fraser
Ignore last post I didn't get past the L before loosing interest. Regards Dale Fraser -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Friday, 5 May 2006 16:31 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Where ha

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Dale Fraser
I much prefer WISC Regards Dale Fraser -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Friday, 5 May 2006 16:31 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone? Ok, I'll bite I

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-04 Thread Barry Beattie
what's WISC? wot: "Windows"... oh forget it...that ol' hack... any good anacronyms that starts with A (y'know, as in A for apple)? On 5/5/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I much prefer WISC > > Regards > Dale Fraser > > > > > -Original Message- > From: cfaussie@googlegr