ay 11, 2001 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Remuneration for artists via Freenet...etc.
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> David McNab wrote on 5/6/01 4:23 pm:
>
> >> Considering: Done! Results:
> >fuckem!
> >
> >These posts are on public
> >record and could be
> &
David McNab wrote on 5/6/01 4:23 pm:
>> Considering: Done! Results:
>fuckem!
>
>These posts are on public
>record and could be
>admissible in court.
Which is as good a reason for censorship as any.
Timm Murray
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Theory is when you know how it works, but fails. Practice is when
>From: "Mark J. Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > My idea of the concept of property is that most people on this planet
>find
> > it worthwhile to label things as his, hers, theirs, ours, mine, public,
> > private, or whatever other forms of ownership you can define. No
>government
> > is ne
On Tue, 8 May 2001, Mikus 29 wrote:
> >Obviously. Property requires a government to enforce it (anything less is
> >barbarism). But who said he was an "anarcho"capitalist?
>
> How so?
>
> It's not quite so obvious to me.
>
> My idea of the concept of property is that most people on this planet fi
>From: "David McNab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>From: "Travis Bemann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >Can you THINK outside of your Libertarian/"anarcho"capitalist box for
> >a second?! Anarchism (not that "anarcho"capitalism shit, which really
> >isn't anarchism) is socialist, but does not use government (
>From: "Mark J. Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>On Mon, 7 May 2001, Travis Bemann wrote:
>
> > Anarchism (not that "anarcho"capitalism shit, which really isn't
> > anarchism) is socialist, [...]
>
>Obviously. Property requires a government to enforce it (anything less is
>barbarism). But who said
>From: Travis Bemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 01:48:44PM -0400, Mikus 29 wrote:
> > >From: "Mark J. Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > >How can you maintain equality in a system where goods and services are
> > >freely given without some means of keeping track of how many
From: "Travis Bemann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Can you THINK outside of your Libertarian/"anarcho"capitalist box for
>a second?! Anarchism (not that "anarcho"capitalism shit, which really
>isn't anarchism) is socialist, but does not use government (socialism
>is worker control of the means of produc
On Mon, 7 May 2001, Travis Bemann wrote:
> Anarchism (not that "anarcho"capitalism shit, which really isn't
> anarchism) is socialist, [...]
Obviously. Property requires a government to enforce it (anything less is
barbarism). But who said he was an "anarcho"capitalist?
--
"...it must be held
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 01:48:44PM -0400, Mikus 29 wrote:
> >From: "Mark J. Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >How can you maintain equality in a system where goods and services are
> >freely given without some means of keeping track of how many goods and
> >services each person has received?
>
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 04:42:09PM -0400, Mark J. Roberts wrote:
> This doesn't address my question. Without a system of currency, how can I,
> a carpenter, know if my doing free work for customer X would give him more
> than his fair share?
Why must Homo Economicus enslave us all?
--
# tavin
On Mon, 7 May 2001, Travis Bemann wrote:
> > To argue in favor of what you feel is right is good. But to enforce what
> > you feel is right upon others through violence is not.
>
> And WHERE did I say that I'd use violence to force no currency on
> everyone else?
Um, "what we need to do is to de
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 07:29:00AM -0400, Mark J. Roberts wrote:
> On Mon, 7 May 2001, Travis Bemann wrote:
>
> > > Because efficient trade cannot exist without currency. You are the only
> > > person I've ever met who thinks it's just fine to make everyone else live
> > > according to your whims
>From: "Mark J. Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>How can you maintain equality in a system where goods and services are
>freely given without some means of keeping track of how many goods and
>services each person has received?
Who says there must be equality? That leads to socialistic government
On Mon, 7 May 2001, Travis Bemann wrote:
> > Because efficient trade cannot exist without currency. You are the only
> > person I've ever met who thinks it's just fine to make everyone else live
> > according to your whims.
>
> Geez. No, I am not the only person who subscribes to the view that
>
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 06:25:54AM -0400, Mark J. Roberts wrote:
> On Mon, 7 May 2001, Travis Bemann wrote:
>
> > Why do we need secure, anonymous digital currency?! Why do we need
> > currency at all?!
>
> Because efficient trade cannot exist without currency. You are the only
> person I've ev
On Mon, 7 May 2001, Travis Bemann wrote:
> Why do we need secure, anonymous digital currency?! Why do we need
> currency at all?!
Because efficient trade cannot exist without currency. You are the only
person I've ever met who thinks it's just fine to make everyone else live
according to your w
> Let me be more clear: what I mean to express is my personal
> opinion
Me Bad makes some very articulate and persuasive arguments here.
As a musician in the early 80's, I had a screaming fight with a recording
engineer.
He argued that popularity was the main measurement of quality for music.
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 12:10:25AM -0400, Travis Bemann wrote:
> On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 10:40:28PM -0400, Tavin Cole wrote:
> > On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 07:15:11PM -0700, Mr. Bad wrote:
> > > Freenet is not about sharing music. It's about publishing. We don't,
> > > and shouldn't, have mechanisms
On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 09:17:33PM -0700, Mr.Bad wrote:
> > "TB" == Travis Bemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> TB> Look - what we need to do is to destroy the entire capitalist
> TB> system, not to just copy copyrighted media and pay musicians
> TB> anonymously.
>
> Do you hav
> "TB" == Travis Bemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
TB> Look - what we need to do is to destroy the entire capitalist
TB> system, not to just copy copyrighted media and pay musicians
TB> anonymously.
Do you have some user interface ideas?
I'm thinking one big button:
+-
On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 10:40:28PM -0400, Tavin Cole wrote:
> On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 07:15:11PM -0700, Mr. Bad wrote:
> > Freenet is not about sharing music. It's about publishing. We don't,
> > and shouldn't, have mechanisms for tipping musicians built into
> > Freenet, just as we don't have a w
On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 07:15:11PM -0700, Mr. Bad wrote:
> Freenet is not about sharing music. It's about publishing. We don't,
> and shouldn't, have mechanisms for tipping musicians built into
> Freenet, just as we don't have a word processor or Egyptian barley tax
> calculation program built int
> "DM" == David McNab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> These posts are on public record and could be admissible in
>> court.
DM> And (in case I need to clarify) that is *not* a threat from
DM> me. I would never initiate or cooperate in any action against
DM> any Freenet dev
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> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 10:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Remuneration for artists via Freenet...etc.
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>
> > >>>>> "MA" == Michael Albert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >
> Considering: Done! Results: fuckem!
These posts are on public record and could be admissible in court.
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From: "Mr.Bad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Remuneratio
> "MA" == Michael Albert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
MA> Note to Freenet producers and users: Consider the aim to move
MA> various industries in which digitized information is the
MA> central product to more sane, rational, humane, and just
MA> methods of operation based on fr
Note to Freenet producers and users:
Consider the aim to move various industries in
which digitized information is the central product
to more sane, rational, humane, and just methods
of operation based on freenet-ish distribution
schemes.
The problems of implementing such a plan,
particularly i
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