[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu

2009-08-13 Thread Nico Weber
"…and repeat 3 times, for each version" gives you six opinions – and "uninvolved" opinions, too. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Glen Murphy wrote: > I think you'd need more than one person and twenty minutes. One person > isn't going give you any useful data - this thread is full of > one-pers

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu

2009-08-13 Thread Glen Murphy
I think you'd need more than one person and twenty minutes. One person isn't going give you any useful data - this thread is full of one-persons. I happen to agree with Pink, though I think there should be less difference between History and Closed Items (I have a long running rant about how afte

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu

2009-08-13 Thread Nico Weber
Robert: How about grabbing a random person, setting them in front of chromium, telling them "I need you to do some UX testing for me. This is about testing the program and not about testing you, you cannot do anything wrong. Up here we have the history menu. What would you expect what happens if y

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu

2009-08-13 Thread Pam Greene
They always felt pretty different to me. In one case, I'm undoing something I did, and I expect the state to be restored to how it was. In the other, I'm initiating a new action, and I expect the behavior to be the same as for bookmarks. - Pam On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Mike Pinkerton wrote

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu

2009-08-13 Thread Robert Sesek
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:08, Julian Harris wrote: > What about Cmd-Opt-H? > Cmd+Opt+H is also bound by the system for Hide Others. 2. Currently, items in the history menu open in the current foreground tab. >> I'm currently working on a CL to make it so that if you hold down the Cmd >> modif

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu

2009-08-13 Thread Nico Weber
cmd-opt-h is used by the os too (cmd-h: hide current app, cmd-opt-h: hide others). On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Julian Harris wrote: > What about Cmd-Opt-H? > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Robert Sesek wrote: >> >> Two things about the Mac history menu that I'd like people to weigh in on:

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu

2009-08-13 Thread Julian Harris
What about Cmd-Opt-H? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Robert Sesek wrote: > Two things about the Mac history menu that I'd like people to weigh in on: > 1. The "Show All History" command should have a keyboard shortcut. We can't > use the logical Cmd+H because it's bound by the system. Stuart su

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu

2009-08-13 Thread Mike Pinkerton
As a Chrome developer, I understand the difference, but "undo closed tab" is just the most recent tab, where we have the 5 most recently closed tabs in the history menu. From a user perspective, why should one be different than the other? Why do I only get a new tab when I'm undoing the last tab,

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu

2009-08-12 Thread Evan Stade
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Robert Sesek wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 15:33, Scott Violet  wrote: >> >> I would suggest you create something like browser/views/event_utils on >> the Mac (and Linux) side. Any place you're opening a URL from a user >> gesture you map the event to a WindowOp

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu

2009-08-12 Thread Pam Greene
You want undo-close-tab for that use case, not history. The where-to-open behavior of undo-close-tab is completely different. Agreed that there's some overlap in usage, though. - Pam On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Mike Pinkerton wrote: > > The few times I've needed to use the history menu (gak

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu

2009-08-12 Thread Robert Sesek
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 15:33, Scott Violet wrote: > I would suggest you create something like browser/views/event_utils on > the Mac (and Linux) side. Any place you're opening a URL from a user > gesture you map the event to a WindowOpenDisposition. This way the UI > is consistent with regards t

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu

2009-08-12 Thread Mike Pinkerton
The few times I've needed to use the history menu (gak, i just closed something by accident, let me get it back), re-using the current tab is exactly what i don't want, as it clobbers something totally unrelated that I had open. That's what prompted this discussion. I agree that it should behave

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu

2009-08-12 Thread Scott Violet
I would suggest you create something like browser/views/event_utils on the Mac (and Linux) side. Any place you're opening a URL from a user gesture you map the event to a WindowOpenDisposition. This way the UI is consistent with regards to what user gestures do. As to this particular case, I beli

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu

2009-08-12 Thread Viet-Trung Luu
Brett Wilson wrote: > Windows always opens history in a new tab. I think this is the correct > behavior: I don't think anybody expects going to history will clobber > their current tab. Not what was being talked about, as Avi pointed out, but does anyone else find it annoying that going to histo

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu

2009-08-12 Thread Scott Violet
If there isn't already you should look into creating something like browser/views/event_utils on the Mac (and Linux) side. Any place you're opening a URL from a user gesture you map the event to a WindowOpenDisposition. This way the UI is consistent with regards to what user gestures do. As to th

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu

2009-08-12 Thread Brett Wilson
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Avi Drissman wrote: > Brett— > > Are we talking about the history page, or history items? The history page > gets its own tab, sure. But when someone picks an item from the history > menu, where does it go? I think current foreground tab is right, with > command f

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu

2009-08-12 Thread Avi Drissman
Brett— Are we talking about the history page, or history items? The history page gets its own tab, sure. But when someone picks an item from the history menu, where does it go? I think current foreground tab is right, with command for background tabs. Avi On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Brett W

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu

2009-08-12 Thread Brett Wilson
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Robert Sesek wrote: > Two things about the Mac history menu that I'd like people to weigh in on: > 1. The "Show All History" command should have a keyboard shortcut. We can't > use the logical Cmd+H because it's bound by the system. Stuart suggested > Cmd+Y, as th

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu Implementation

2009-05-29 Thread Evan Stade
I like firefox's approach with the recently closed in a submenu of the history menu. Honestly though I can't say I use it very frequently. I just feel safer knowing it's there. -- Evan Stade On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Ben Goodger (Google) wrote: > > I would say try as a replacement. i.e

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu Implementation

2009-05-28 Thread Ben Goodger (Google)
I would say try as a replacement. i.e. similar to the dock menu... 9 most visited items + 3-4 recently closed -Ben On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Robert Sesek wrote: > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 00:59, Ben Goodger (Google) > wrote: >> >> I think we had discussed adding most visited/recently cl

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu Implementation

2009-05-28 Thread Robert Sesek
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 00:59, Ben Goodger (Google) wrote: > I think we had discussed adding most visited/recently closed items > here, sort of like a NTP without the NTP. > I think this is an interesting idea, particularly the most recently closed items. Are you thinking this is supplemental to

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu Implementation

2009-05-26 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Ben Goodger (Google) wrote: > Wash your mouth out with soap. The availability of real estate is > never an excuse to use it in Chrome :-P Ok, we'll just go without because it doesn't exist in windows. :P -- Mike Pinkerton Mac Weenie pinker...@google.com --~-

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu Implementation

2009-05-25 Thread Ben Goodger (Google)
Wash your mouth out with soap. The availability of real estate is never an excuse to use it in Chrome :-P I think we had discussed adding most visited/recently closed items here, sort of like a NTP without the NTP. -Ben On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Mike Pinkerton wrote: > > Session history

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu Implementation

2009-05-25 Thread Mike Pinkerton
Session history != global browser history. The back/forward buttons don't get you anything outside of the current tab's session. Amanda's point about fitts' law is another good one. The History menu is an easy way to get to something you visited recently with one click (vs. the alternative of ope

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu Implementation

2009-05-22 Thread Amanda Walker
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Mark Larson (Google) wrote: > Just so it's clear to me... why do we need a History menu? > There's a link to history from the wrench menu/Ctrl+H and also from the New > Tab page. > The > back button provides at least 12 entries from the back history for the cur

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu Implementation

2009-05-22 Thread Mark Larson (Google)
Just so it's clear to me... why do we need a History menu? There's a link to history from the wrench menu/Ctrl+H and also from the New Tab page. The back button provides at least 12 entries from the back history for the current tab. That seems more than adequate for the 'jump back a few steps in m

[chromium-dev] Re: Mac History Menu Implementation

2009-05-22 Thread Amanda Walker
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Robert Sesek wrote: > I think that Firefox's implemntation makes the most sense from a > usability perspective. Those long menus in Safari are next to > worthless if you have a decent-sized browsing history and really just > clutter things up. Camino's implemntati