[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-11-03 Thread Jeremy Orlow
Ha. http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/11/03/1334203/X11-Chrome-Reportedly-Outperforms-Windows-and-Mac-Versions On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Linus Upson wrote: > scrolling jank in gmail > http://crbug.com/25741 > > Linus > > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Adam Barth wrote: > >> >> On We

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-30 Thread Linus Upson
scrolling jank in gmail http://crbug.com/25741 Linus On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Adam Barth wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Evan Martin wrote: > > General comments: Linux tends to be "lighter" which means it does > > better on older hardware, so depending on what sorts of la

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-28 Thread Tony Chang
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Adam Barth wrote: > Linux draw order: > 1) Fill entire window with blue (This looks bad, can we use a > different color? White?). http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=20059 Looking at it again, I imagine one of the widgets has no background (TabCo

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-28 Thread Evan Stade
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Nico Weber wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Elliot Glaysher (Chromium) > wrote: >> >> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Antoine Labour wrote: >>> For the UI bits, I'm willing to believe that GTK, which uses cairo, hence >>> XRender for rendering, is h

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-28 Thread Nico Weber
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Elliot Glaysher (Chromium) wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Antoine Labour wrote: >> For the UI bits, I'm willing to believe that GTK, which uses cairo, hence >> XRender for rendering, is hardware accelerated and in any case pipelined in >> another pr

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-28 Thread Elliot Glaysher (Chromium)
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Antoine Labour wrote: > For the UI bits, I'm willing to believe that GTK, which uses cairo, hence > XRender for rendering, is hardware accelerated and in any case pipelined in > another process (X), and so is faster than serialized, software rendered > Skia. How

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-28 Thread Adam Barth
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Antoine Labour wrote: > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Adam Barth wrote: >> I bet the reason Windows startup feels slower is whatever drawing >> operation we're using for the main content area is slow.  The >> top-to-bottom sweep probably makes me feel like t

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-28 Thread Antoine Labour
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Adam Barth wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Evan Martin wrote: > > General comments: Linux tends to be "lighter" which means it does > > better on older hardware, so depending on what sorts of laptops you're > > talking about that could be a major fac

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-28 Thread Adam Barth
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Evan Martin wrote: > General comments: Linux tends to be "lighter" which means it does > better on older hardware, so depending on what sorts of laptops you're > talking about that could be a major factor.  Windowses later than 2000 > or so need surprising amounts

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-28 Thread Mark Mentovai
Jens Alfke wrote: > Unfortunately, it's nearly impossible to continue a forked process on OS X > if it uses any higher-level (above POSIX) APIs. The main problem is that > Mach ports can't be replicated across the fork, so if any ports were already > open, they'll all be bogus in the new process.

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-28 Thread Adam Barth
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Erik Corry wrote: > Do you have anti-virus software on your Windows machines? No. I could editorialize here, but I wont. Adam --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives,

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-28 Thread Amanda Walker
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Jens Alfke wrote: > > Unfortunately, it's nearly impossible to continue a forked process on > OS X if it uses any higher-level (above POSIX) APIs. Nothing says we have to use fork(). Always having a renderer process started and waiting for instructions could als

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-28 Thread Jens Alfke
On Oct 28, 2009, at 7:21 AM, Mark Mentovai wrote: > When I benchmarked this a few months ago on a fairly ordinary Mac, it > took nearly 100ms from the time that the browser started a renderer to > the time that the renderer was ready to service requests. A decent > chunk of that is load time an

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-28 Thread Elliot Glaysher (Chromium)
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Evan Martin wrote: 3) Startup time is faster than calculator. >>> >>> I'm not sure if you're kidding.  Do you mean Windows calculator? >> >> On my home linux box (Jaunty, reasonably fast), >> warm startup time of chrome is less >> than the warm startup time o

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-28 Thread Evan Martin
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Dan Kegel wrote: > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Evan Martin wrote: >>> 3) Startup time is faster than calculator. >> >> I'm not sure if you're kidding.  Do you mean Windows calculator? > > On my home linux box (Jaunty, reasonably fast), > warm startup time of

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-28 Thread Dan Kegel
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Evan Martin wrote: >> 3) Startup time is faster than calculator. > > I'm not sure if you're kidding.  Do you mean Windows calculator? On my home linux box (Jaunty, reasonably fast), warm startup time of chrome is less than the warm startup time of gnome calculato

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-28 Thread Marc-Antoine Ruel
An additional note: Most Windows boxes have an AV installed while most linux boxes don't. Never underestimate the sluggishness of AVs. M-A On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Evan Martin wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Adam Barth wrote: >> My three laptops have relatively comparable

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-28 Thread Erik Corry
Do you have anti-virus software on your Windows machines? 2009/10/28 Adam Barth : > > My three laptops have relatively comparable hardware and run Chrome on > Windows, Mac, and Linux respectively.  The Linux version of Chrome > feels ridiculously faster than Windows and Mac.  Do we understand why

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-28 Thread Evan Martin
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Adam Barth wrote: > My three laptops have relatively comparable hardware and run Chrome on > Windows, Mac, and Linux respectively.  The Linux version of Chrome > feels ridiculously faster than Windows and Mac.  Do we understand why > this is?  Can we make Windows

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-28 Thread Mark Mentovai
Darin Fisher wrote: > I suspect this is at least one of the bigger issues. > I also suspect that process creation is a problem on Windows.  We should > probably look into having a spare child process on Windows to minimize new > tab jank.  Maybe there is a bug on this already? This shouldn't be r

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-28 Thread Mike Pinkerton
When we were all out in MtnView last, one of the action items for some of the Mac QA folks was to get a machine that triple-boots (Mac/Win/Linux) so that we could run the same version of chrome on the same hardware and see the differences between platforms and then to run a bunch of tests (startup

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-27 Thread John Abd-El-Malek
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Darin Fisher wrote: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Adam Barth wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Darin Fisher >> wrote: >> > What version of Windows are you using? I find the double-buffering on >> Vista >> > and Win7 to have a big negative imp

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-27 Thread Darin Fisher
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Adam Barth wrote: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Darin Fisher wrote: > > What version of Windows are you using? I find the double-buffering on > Vista > > and Win7 to have a big negative impact on performance as compared to > WinXP. > > I'm always delight

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-27 Thread Adam Barth
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Darin Fisher wrote: > What version of Windows are you using?  I find the double-buffering on Vista > and Win7 to have a big negative impact on performance as compared to WinXP. >  I'm always delighted to run Chrome on my old WinXP laptop.  It seems so > much fast

[chromium-dev] Re: Why is Linux Chrome so fast?

2009-10-27 Thread Darin Fisher
What version of Windows are you using? I find the double-buffering on Vista and Win7 to have a big negative impact on performance as compared to WinXP. I'm always delighted to run Chrome on my old WinXP laptop. It seems so much faster there. On X-windows, the renderer backingstores are managed