RE: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 ISPs [7:71508]

2003-06-27 Thread Mwalie W
Hi, But I think it is the reverse: Tier 2 rents from Tier 1, Tier 3 rents from Tier 2...isn't it? Mwalie Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=71513&t=71508 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.grou

RE: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 ISPs [7:71508]

2003-06-27 Thread Mwalie W
Hi, Thanks. Yes, that sounds logical and fine. My question remains: Tier 1 must be at the core of the network (in this case the Internet). Can a Kenyan ISP, even if it is a UUNET company, be a Tier 1 ISP?.or "Tier 1 in Kenya - Kenyan-scale?" Are you working with UUNET? Thanks. Mwalie Mes

RE: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 ISPs [7:71508]

2003-06-27 Thread fred barreras
tier 1 rents facilities from tier 2. Tier 2 rents facilities from tier 3. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=71511&t=71508 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report

Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 ISPs [7:71508]

2003-06-27 Thread Brian W.
I really hate the tier argument, but to me, a tier 1 originates a large number of ip block announcements. Brian - Original Message - From: "fred barreras" To: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:26 PM Subject: RE: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 ISPs [7:71508] > tier 1 rents fa

Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 ISPs [7:71508]

2003-06-27 Thread Mwalie W
Hi, Thanks. I have been checking the UUNET Global IP network and I can see that they have a South Africa Network, etc, etcI think what is in Kenya is a Point-of-Presence (PoP)so, probably, the local ISP in Kenya - called UUNET Kenya - can be described as "part of a Tier 1 ISP". So, those

Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 ISPs [7:71508]

2003-06-27 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 5:33 AM + 6/27/03, Mwalie W wrote: >Hi All, > >This should be a simple one. > >I have heard that we have Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 ISPs.I do assume we only >have Tier 1 and Tier 2 in the US, Europe and Asia (Japan, China). > >In a third world country, can we have Tier 1 and Tier 2? Or we just h

Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 ISPs [7:71508]

2003-06-27 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Thanks Howard. I had just been wondering about this very topic myself. You plugged one of your books, but I learned a lot about this same topic from another one of your books, which I will plug! :-) WAN Survival Guide That book is really helpful for people like myself who mainly work on the other

Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 ISPs [7:71508]

2003-06-27 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
I might even add that a few companies have described themselves as "tier 0", with the idea that they will dynamically select best routes based on real-time measurements. I get nervous about that, as we have enough instabilities caused by too-frequent change in the global routing system. Some o

Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 ISPs [7:71508]

2003-06-27 Thread dre
""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message ... > The tier concept is mostly marketing these days, although there is > some technical basis. > A tier 1 provider never buys transit. It gets all its routes from > bilateral peering arrangements. It will have a 24/7 network > operations center, and a n

Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 ISPs [7:71508]

2003-06-27 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 8:29 PM + 6/27/03, dre wrote: >""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message ... >> The tier concept is mostly marketing these days, although there is >> some technical basis. > >> A tier 1 provider never buys transit. It gets all its routes from >> bilateral peering arrangements. It will h

Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 ISPs [7:71508]

2003-06-28 Thread dre
""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message ... > *sigh* you realize, I know, that we are talking about utterly > essential concepts in working in the ISP space, yet these are things > that don't show up on any Cisco test I'm aware of. This is part of > why an R&S CCIE isn't much initial use to a lar

Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 ISPs [7:71508]

2003-06-28 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
>"dre" wrote, >""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message ... >> *sigh* you realize, I know, that we are talking about utterly >> essential concepts in working in the ISP space, yet these are things >> that don't show up on any Cisco test I'm aware of. This is part of >> why an R&S CCIE isn'