Re: Is Clojure Simple?

2011-10-26 Thread Robert Levy
> > > This reminds me of the discussions on the C++ Standards Committee > about compatibility with C wherein Andrew Koenig coined the phrase "As > close as possible to C - but no closer"... perhaps Rich feels Clojure > is "as close as possible to simple - but no closer"? :) > In that case we've co

Re: Is Clojure Simple?

2011-10-25 Thread Olek
Yes, Easy to track. Nevertheless this definition passes Rich's list. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with

Re: Is Clojure Simple?

2011-10-25 Thread Christopher Burke
Interesting discussion of this talk, including comments from Rich (or at least someone claiming to be Rich): http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/lirke/simple_made_easy_by_rich_hickey_video/ On Oct 25, 7:00 am, Laurent PETIT wrote: > 2011/10/25 Michael Jaaka : > > > Something is simple a

Re: Is Clojure Simple?

2011-10-25 Thread Laurent PETIT
2011/10/25 Michael Jaaka : > Something is simple as long as your mental model is simple to > track. Something which doesn't cause you headache. Disagree. The whole point of Rich's talk is to have people not conflate "simple" and "easy", or it seems to me that this is what you're doing here. "simpl

Re: Is Clojure Simple?

2011-10-25 Thread Michael Jaaka
Something is simple as long as your mental model is simple to track. Something which doesn't cause you headache. If you can't build mental model in your head, then its definitely not simple. Every time you think I have mental model which works like this, but before this I must remember about thi

Re: Is Clojure Simple?

2011-10-23 Thread Stuart Sierra
I think Clojure is simple in design, complex in implementation. Dealing with the JVM introduces all sorts of complexity. Dealing with *hardware* introduces complexity. Perfection is only possible in the abstract. Compromises are always needed, and Clojure generally makes good ones. But there ma

Re: Is Clojure Simple?

2011-10-23 Thread Laurent PETIT
2011/10/22 Tim Robinson : > So I've read the previous post  > Rich Hickey: "Simple Made Easy" from > Strange Loop 2011, but I wanted to ask some simple questions not > complected by the interweaving path the other has post followed (is > 'complected' even a word? - lol) . > > I know the presentatio

Re: Is Clojure Simple?

2011-10-22 Thread David Powell
Simplicity was described as being a property of the artefact, not the construct wasn't it? So I'm not sure what it means exactly for Clojure to be simple or complex. Does Clojure allow you to write artefacts that are simple? Yeah, I think so, and I think it often makes it easier. There was a ta

Re: Is Clojure Simple?

2011-10-22 Thread Sean Corfield
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Tim Robinson wrote: > (is 'complected' even a word? - lol) . OED: http://photo.pds.org:5004/view/Entry/37640?redirectedFrom=complect#eid > Do the Clojure language designers plan to make changes to Clojure to > make it simpler? And if so, how so? This reminds me

Is Clojure Simple?

2011-10-22 Thread Tim Robinson
So I've read the previous post > Rich Hickey: "Simple Made Easy" from Strange Loop 2011, but I wanted to ask some simple questions not complected by the interweaving path the other has post followed (is 'complected' even a word? - lol) . I know the presentation was, while inclusive of Clojure, no