Re: Stus-List 1985 C&C 33 versus 1985 C&C MKII

Simplest way I tel is the transom. Reverse transom with a bit of a notch on the top[ on Mk II. Mk II is a really nice boat. One of my all time favourite C&Cs. Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Macklin Sent: Sunda

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

Maybe this is someone adhering to the "sucker born every minute" school of sales. It sure is hard times for selling. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-02-18, at 9:58, Colin Kilgour wrote: I know we've all been shocked at the deflation in used boat prices recently. If you're a buyer,

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

I am hoping it was a Mirage 33 Or maybe it was a 24 that is guaranteed to win every race -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 10:18 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Used

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

It's not real..it's a mirage.  :) Dennis C. > > From: "Hoyt, Mike" >To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 8:24 AM >Subject: Re: Stus-List Used boat prices > >I am hoping it was a Mirage 33 > >Or maybe it was a 24 that is gua

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

Groan:) Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-02-18, at 10:32, "Dennis C." wrote: It's not real..it's a mirage. :) Dennis C. From: "Hoyt, Mike" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 8:24 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Used boat prices I am hoping it was a Mirage

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

maybe its Harry's Mirage? From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 10:32 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Used boat prices It's not real..it's a mirage. :) Dennis C.

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

I suspect it's more the "my boat is special" phenomenon. Anyway, I just thought it was funny. If any lister is interested in the boat at that price, contact me off list and I'll sell you my swamp land in Florida, too! Cheers Colin On 2/18/13, Rich Knowles wrote: > Maybe this is someone adherin

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

I think it's part of the paradox of old boats. Boat stuff is expensive, but sailboats are not. So you can spend 10K putting a diesel in an old 27-footer ... and still have a 10-15K boat. A big reason to buy the already-updated boat and not to buy a smaller boat with the notion of moving up a f

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

There seem to be a lot of folks disconnected from the market right now... Locally, there is an older gentleman who has a nice-but-needs-TLC Tartan 34. When he said he no longer uses it and slip fees are becoming expensive, I suggested he could get $18-20K if he sold it. He said "I saw one on Yacht

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

That's true Jack. On the ad, the guy said he had over $40k in the boat, which I don't doubt. Problem is, we don't care. At the end of the day, it's still a 40 year old, 24 foot boat. One day, we're all going to face the same problem... I know I will. Cheers Colin On 2/18/13, Jack Brennan wro

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

It only hurts if you're selling, or moving down in size.The answer is to buy a bigger boat right now!RonWild CheriC&C 30STL --- On Mon, 2/18/13, Colin Kilgour wrote: From: Colin Kilgour Subject: Re: Stus-List Used boat prices To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Monday, February 18, 2013, 9:23 AM

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

Ron Bigger is Bigger - that is all. It is not necessarily better. I have known too many people who have gotten out of sailing altogether because they moved up to too big a boat - with all its attendant extra costs, etc ... The cost of a smaller boat that is occasionally used is much less than

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

And you won't ne able to stand up in any of the half dozen. :-) Ed (who paid $3,600 for a C&C 24 on a trailer, all in good shape, 4 years ago) On Feb 18, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Rich Knowles wrote: > Maybe this is someone adhering to the "sucker born every minute" school of > sales. It sure is hard

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

That's true. We sail every weekend here on Lake Champlain, and rarely do overnights, so our C&C 24 works well. But I'd love to stand up below, I'd like to go faster, I'd occasionally like a few more friends on the boat. We may jump up a few feet to have all that without groaning too much at th

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

So that Mirage 24 is perfect then You get all the benefits of a small boat, but you get to pay a big boat price! Cheers Colin On 2/18/13, Hoyt, Mike wrote: > Ron > > Bigger is Bigger - that is all. It is not necessarily better. > > I have known too many people who have gotten out of sailin

Re: Stus-List Splicing

Roger that. I sink just about every splice I do using this method: Dennis C. wrote: I also told him that he would have been better off to use one of the boat's winches to finish the splice. -- s/v Stella Blue www.wbryant.com __

Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

My 2 cents: The insulation is more important than the compressor system, if you're looking for energy efficiency. I have the Frigoboat system, and absolutely love it, but also believe that the Isotherm system operates under the same principle and doesn't have the external sintered bronze plat

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

Colin, Your post reminded me of a C&C 25 I saw for sale a while back. Similar situation, a boat you can typically get for less than $5k in these parts going for $17.5k. I wasn't surprised to see it's still for sale. Here's a link: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/C-%26-C-25-2452904/At-o

Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

Wally Thanks. Now I know why I couldn't see how the box was screwed together! I never considered the screws might be under the formica. I'm not ready to re-do formica so cans of insulation will have to do. I like the idea of running the wire for a fan now. It could go to the same breaker as the

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

or sell same boat for $11K. Sell without trailer. Sell trailer seperately for 3K - $5K. Sell motor seperately for $1500. Put an old used motor on for $500. Sell autohelm and all other accessories, cover, newer sails seperately etc ... A lot of the upgrades on this boat have a market outside

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

I have a lead on a C&C 29-2 with new diesel for $6K. That's an indication. On 18 February 2013 09:33, Hoyt, Mike wrote: > ** > or sell same boat for $11K. Sell without trailer. Sell trailer > seperately for 3K - $5K. Sell motor seperately for $1500. Put an old > used motor on for $500. S

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

This boat just sold in two weeks for asking price: I know another boat (Valiant 40) that just sold for 1/3 it's value, but it was in New Zealand, and where do you go from there? Location Location Location... a

Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

Right. I actually ran the wire for the circulation fans down past the compressor, then back up to the breaker panel. The Danfoss control module has spade connectors labelled 'fan' which normally controls the fan for air cooled systems, and I thought that it might be more energy efficient to o

Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

I'll be brief, I have the Isotherm and like it, but (always but) might do the Frigoboat next time. Pros - Works well Quiet Small, easy to tuck out of the way Plenty of cold - I boxed off a space under the cold plate, and it keeps (or makes) ice. ASU conserves battery when away from the doc

Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

Wally: Please write a little more about what I could gain by having a fan. I have a thermostatically controlled set of louvered doors between the refer and freezer. The refer stays cold and freezer works. Do you think I would gain some efficiencies by adding a fan. I wired for a muffin fan bu

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

Rick: The best way to deal with an over-equipped boat is to sell the gear separately. In the case of the 25, its specs are very close to the Catalina 25. There are budget-minded lake sailors everywhere who would jump at the chance to buy from you. When my 25 was wrecked in Hurricane Wilma,

Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

Fred, By installing an alluvial fan, you will drop the precipitation loss between the freezer and the frig by the difference in the temperature fleeb. This may not sound like much of a savings, but over the period of 12 hours your fleeb to current ratio will be substantial. Hope this helps...T

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

>> A boat is worth exactly what the potential buyer is willing to spend - which is, unfortunately, probably less than you have invested in it both financially and emotionally. Rick << >>One day, we're all going to face the same problem... I know I will. Colin << Calypso's co-owner and I went thr

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

When my darling wife was new to me and didn't quite get people who live and breath sailing, she made a comment at dinner with friends one evening. He was lamenting losing his beloved Swan 48 in a divorce and trying to figure how to get it back. "Why don't you just find a different one," my wife sa

Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

OK Terry, Now I was kind of getting interested in this fan-in-the-freezer idea, but all I can find about fleeb is that it usually means douche bag. So, are you over my head, or just toying with us? An alluvial fan seems to be with a high pitch, but this fleeb thing has me very puzzled. Can you expl

Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

As usual Terry, you are always such big help. Fred -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Terry Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 11:32 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker? Fred, By installing an alluvi

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

I'm guessing it is a case of a spouse saying "you have to sell that boat" and a reluctant spouse saying "I'm trying, it is listed for sale!!!". :-) Graham Collins Secret Plans C&C 35-III #11 On 2013-02-18 10:24 AM, Hoyt, Mike wrote: I am hoping it was a Mirage 33 Or maybe it was a 24 th

Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

Fred - I too have a thermostatic controlled spillover fan, but that's a different animal. I have two of those circulation fans in pipes -- one in the fridge, one in the freezer. It moves air around inside each box, pulling the cold air from the bottom and shoving it out the top. It helps to k

Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

Don't discourage him, Fred, I already have my alluvial fan on order, I just need to figure out this fleeb ratio . . . Bill Coleman C&C 39 From: "Fred Hazzard" Date: Feb 18, 2013 4:16:54 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker? To: As usual Terry, you are always such big help. F

Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

I apologize. I was having fun with Fred. The fleeb and the Alluvial fan are fig-newtons of my imagination...T -Original Message- From: Bill Coleman Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 12:42 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker? OK Terry, Now I was k

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

I had a local broker approach me on behalf of a guy that wants to buy my boat. I said what is he willing to pay net to me? He told me. I laughed and said that I spent more than his offer in the past 18 months after painting the topsides in May of 2011, new wind system, a complete suit of ne

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

I believe there is a C&C 39 for sale in Seattle for $25K. This 39 was moored near Calypso for many years. It mostly looks stock but the decks have been painted beige. If the local broker still has an interested client end him this way. Maybe the seller will throw in a bottom job. Martin Cal

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

The idiot that asked about my boat is looking for turn key deal in Savannah, this fool isn't going to pay $10K just to ship it from Seattle to Savannah even if they gave him the boat. In a message dated 2/18/2013 6:19:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com writes: I b

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

The cost of ownership, after the initial purchase, has not gone down at all as far as I can see. Dockage fees, marina services, parts, fuel, insurance, government extortion, and you name it, I can't think of anything that is any cheaper in terms of ongoing sailboat ownership. Steve Thomas C&C27

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

>cost of ownership.. has not gone down... < Starting mid 2012 I have to pay between $1.69 and $2.87 toll per trip across the 520 floating bridge to get from my house to Shilshole Bay Marina. So no, I cannot think of anything that is getting cheaper however just like any other addict I keep goin

Stus-List Used boat prices

In spite of what the politicians and media say about the economy improving I continue to see more & more sail boats and now powers boats on the hook in our local waterway and our local marinas are having real issues with abandoned boats as well. These are folks that have held on since 2007 an

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

My reading of the history of sailors and own observations lead me to believe there have always been cheap sailors, sea gypsies, and those that desire to be professional regarding maintenance and operation. The two recent US financial bubbles (dot com and housing) and the advent of "credit card"

Re: Stus-List Used boat prices

Which is why Macgregor Yachts has been so successful - weekend sailing at an affordable price. Who, by the way, are about to shut the doors in California. But they are not finished yet, the sons are about to close up in Costa Mesa and open up with a new company in Florida - watch this space! Sam

Stus-List Autohelm ST50 Wind Transducer Needed

I need an Autohelm/Raymarine ST50 Wind Transducer. Might anyone have one they would be willing to sell? I have posted a picture online at http://desiresailing.org/images/AutohelmST50WindSpeedTransducer.jpg. Michael Clow Desire , C&C 32, Lake St. Clair __

Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

Wally: Good info, thanks. Fred -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally Bryant Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 1:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker? Fred - I too have a thermostatic controlled