Re: What is the status on the New Cocoa 2.0 Books?

2008-03-13 Thread Seth Willits
On Mar 12, 2008, at 6:24 PM, Michael Gregoire wrote: Though tutorials and guides are severely lacking in the Objective-C 2.0 arena. Obj-C 2.0 takes 20 minutes to learn. There's not that much different, and the docs cover it pretty well. -- Seth Willits

Re: What is the status on the New Cocoa 2.0 Books?

2008-03-13 Thread Thomas Engelmeier
On 13.03.2008, at 04:03, Jens Alfke wrote: Part of the fun of being an early adopter is that you have to figure stuff out before there are books to explain it. It's your choice; you could wait six months or a year for some books. But then you won't be one of the first. (Actually, the

Re: What is the status on the New Cocoa 2.0 Books?

2008-03-13 Thread Jeff LaMarche
On Mar 13, 2008, at 5:43 AM, Thomas Engelmeier wrote: Maybe it paid off to be a late adoptor. Inside Macintosh:AppleTalk and New Inside Macintosh:Quicktime / New Inside Macintosh:Interapplication Communication set a very high standard for documentation - far higher than the IBM UI

Re: What is the status on the New Cocoa 2.0 Books?

2008-03-13 Thread Jens Alfke
On 12 Mar '08, at 11:23 PM, Seth Willits wrote: Obj-C 2.0 takes 20 minutes to learn. There's not that much different, and the docs cover it pretty well. For the most part; but there are some subtleties* that can take some extra time to grasp later on as you run into them. (They are

Re: What is the status on the New Cocoa 2.0 Books?

2008-03-13 Thread David Carlisle
Does anyone know the status of the Cocoa Design Patterns book by Erik Buck, rough-cuts version or otherwise? Amazon says 12 January 2009. On Mar 12, 2008, at 5:54 PM, colo wrote: And might there be others ? ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list

Re: What is the status on the New Cocoa 2.0 Books?

2008-03-13 Thread Jason Sallis
My preorder on Amazon says it's shipping from July 10-18 On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:37 AM, David Carlisle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know the status of the Cocoa Design Patterns book by Erik Buck, rough-cuts version or otherwise? Amazon says 12 January 2009. On Mar 12, 2008, at

Re: What is the status on the New Cocoa 2.0 Books?

2008-03-13 Thread Thomas Engelmeier
On 13.03.2008, at 13:39, Jeff LaMarche wrote: On Mar 13, 2008, at 5:43 AM, Thomas Engelmeier wrote: Maybe it paid off to be a late adoptor. Inside Macintosh:AppleTalk and New Inside Macintosh:Quicktime / New Inside Macintosh:Interapplication Communication set a very high standard for

Re: What is the status on the New Cocoa 2.0 Books?

2008-03-13 Thread Greg Robertson
Sounds like it might be delayed, from her mailing list: I can't write about the SDK for TUAW, for O'Reilly and can't pub anything (we're even worried about technical review!) for Addison Wesley. -- Erica, upcreek ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list

RE: What is the status on the New Cocoa 2.0 Books?

2008-03-12 Thread Gary L. Wade
I know hillegass is doing one but has anyone a date on it ? And might there be others ? Barnes and Noble shows a publication of June 13, 2008, and Amazon.com shows a publication of May 26, 2008: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?EAN=9780321503619

Re: What is the status on the New Cocoa 2.0 Books?

2008-03-12 Thread Michael Gregoire
Actually, the docs are already online at apple.com. Books are not docs, they're tutorials. Though tutorials and guides are severely lacking in the Objective-C 2.0 arena. On Mar 12, 2008, at 9:09 PM, colo wrote: Wow thats a long time to wait for new docs and working tutorials for the new

Re: What is the status on the New Cocoa 2.0 Books?

2008-03-12 Thread Vince LaMonica
FYI I talked to the publisher tuesday and the Cohen book, The XCode 3 Book has been canceled :( /vjl/ On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Gary L. Wade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know hillegass is doing one but has anyone a date on it ? And might there be others ? Barnes and Noble shows a

Re: What is the status on the New Cocoa 2.0 Books?

2008-03-12 Thread Jens Alfke
On 12 Mar '08, at 6:09 PM, colo wrote: As I two really want to get started at learning how to code for the NDA thing as well That NDA thing must be just that awesome to wait so long for some docs Part of the fun of being an early adopter is that you have to figure stuff out before there

Re: What is the status on the New Cocoa 2.0 Books?

2008-03-12 Thread Jeff LaMarche
On Mar 12, 2008, at 11:03 PM, Jens Alfke wrote: (Actually, the current docs are quite good, all things considered. Back in the day, the system documentation used to consist of badly- Xeroxed copies of napkins that the programmers had scrawled some instructions on, while suffering from