On May 7, 2013, at 21:00:00, Allan Odgaard lists+cocoa-...@simplit.com wrote:
TextMate’s implementation is here
https://github.com/textmate/textmate/blob/master/Frameworks/OakAppKit/src/NSMenuItem%20Additions.mm#L170-L189
and sets the title as an attributed string using an NSTextTableBlock
Would you be able to share this code?
well, it's incomplete at the moment, i haven't sewn it all up.and besides
that i'd have to get permission to share it, as it's adobe code. i'm on
sabbatical now so i'm not even really here too.
TextMate also draws a custom string as key equivalent
On May 8, 2013, at 23:17, David M. Cotter m...@davecotter.com wrote:
TextMate also draws a custom string as key equivalent ... the only (user
visible) shortcoming I have found is that it doesn’t left/right align the
key/modifier glyphs
this was a requirement of ours, to have it actually be
On May 6, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Steve Mills smi...@makemusic.com wrote:
On May 6, 2013, at 16:58:10, gweston gwes...@mac.com wrote:
In light of the great opportunity for user confusion - because a little
rectangle around the number is hardly a clear indicator - and the reality
that many users
On May 7, 2013, at 02:04:09, Kyle Sluder k...@ksluder.com wrote:
This is a terrible argument, and you know it not to be true. If you showed
those three glyphs to a non-Western person, would they be likely to discern a
difference? Depending on the arguments I pass, even my _computer_ won’t
On May 7, 2013, at 14:25:52, Quincey Morris
quinceymor...@rivergatesoftware.com wrote:
1. The software Steve is dealing with (Finale, I believe he has stated
earlier) has special needs. I've used music notation software for
note-by-note entry in the past, and it's a horrendous chore without
Steve Mills said:
Such software has already established the precedent that it needs lots and lots
of keyboard shortcuts. (Finale is well over 10 years old, IIRC.) Steve isn't
condemning users to a keyboard shortcut nightmare, he's continuing a
well-established though specialized UI pattern.
That's the problem with legacy. We learn from the past, and realize
our mistakes. But sometimes we can't fix them, because users already
depend on them. Or rather, we do fix them, and anger lots of people
who need it to keep working the old way. Reminds me of
http://xkcd.com/1172/ ... legacy:
On May 7, 2013, at 4:45 PM, gweston gwes...@mac.com wrote:
In that case, I think Steve needs to quit whining that Apple engineers
aren't doing his job for him, and implement his own menu drawing for his
specialized case.
You need to consider the possibility that Apple decided that not
Hi, I'm Dave, senior engineer at Adobe Systems.
We definitely want this functionality, in fact filed a DTS incident for (and
got some help with) custom-drawing menu items, for the express purpose of
drawing an arbitrary string as the keyboard shortcut in menus. and i can
tell you the work
On May 8, 2013, at 7:36, David M. Cotter m...@davecotter.com wrote:
[…] filed a DTS incident for (and got some help with) custom-drawing menu
items, for the express purpose of drawing an arbitrary string as the
keyboard shortcut in menus. and i can tell you the work around was a PITA
and
On May 7, 2013, at 5:36 PM, David M. Cotter m...@davecotter.com wrote:
Hi, I'm Dave, senior engineer at Adobe Systems.
We definitely want this functionality, in fact filed a DTS incident for (and
got some help with) custom-drawing menu items, for the express purpose of
drawing an
On May 7, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Allan Odgaard lists+cocoa-...@simplit.com wrote:
TextMate’s implementation is here
https://github.com/textmate/textmate/blob/master/Frameworks/OakAppKit/src/NSMenuItem%20Additions.mm#L170-L189
and sets the title as an attributed string using an NSTextTableBlock to
On May 8, 2013, at 9:28, Kyle Sluder k...@ksluder.com wrote:
[…] sets the title as an attributed string using an NSTextTableBlock […]
Any reason you're not using a custom view-based NSMenuItem? It might be
easier to get good results that way.
A custom view means you have to render everything
So is there no way in Cocoa to assign key equivs by key code instead of by
string? The Carbon menu item could be set by glyph (SetMenuItemKeyGlyph) or by
key code (SetMenuItemCommandKey), which sure were handy. The key equiv would
clearly show numpad glyphs with a rounded rect around them. In
On May 6, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Steve Mills wrote:
So is there no way in Cocoa to assign key equivs by key code instead of by
string? The Carbon menu item could be set by glyph (SetMenuItemKeyGlyph) or
by key code (SetMenuItemCommandKey), which sure were handy. The key equiv
would clearly show
Steve Mills asked:
So is there no way in Cocoa to assign key equivs by key code instead of by string? The Carbon menu
item could be set by glyph (SetMenuItemKeyGlyph) or by key code (SetMenuItemCommandKey), which sure
were handy. The key equiv would clearly show numpad glyphs with a rounded
On May 6, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Steve Mills smi...@makemusic.com wrote:
So is there no way in Cocoa to assign key equivs by key code instead of by
string? The Carbon menu item could be set by glyph (SetMenuItemKeyGlyph) or
by key code (SetMenuItemCommandKey), which sure were handy. The key
On May 6, 2013, at 14:20:44, Ken Thomases k...@codeweavers.com wrote:
I don't know if this works, but you might try [menuItem
setKeyEquivalentModifierMask:NSNumericPadKeyMask]. That said, I'm not sure
that users will understand the distinction between 1 and numpad 1, even with
a rounded
On May 6, 2013, at 16:58:10, gweston gwes...@mac.com wrote:
In light of the great opportunity for user confusion - because a little
rectangle around the number is hardly a clear indicator - and the reality
that many users do not have a number pad, I think the solution I'd recommend
is to
On May 6, 2013, at 17:50:23, Eric Schlegel eri...@apple.com
wrote:
Unfortunately there's no NSMenu API to support this. Please vote for one by
filing a Radar.
radar://13823585
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On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Steve Mills smi...@makemusic.com wrote:
On May 6, 2013, at 16:58:10, gweston gwes...@mac.com wrote:
In light of the great opportunity for user confusion - because a little
rectangle
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