Re: [lang] DateUtils proposal, standard date generators

2003-12-09 Thread Glenn Nielsen
I just imported into jakarta-commons-sandbox a component named Thread Benchmark (TBM). It is designed to make testing thread synchronization problems easier and as a clearing house for identifying thread synchronization problems, workarounds, and alternative solutions. The proposal can be found

Re: [lang] DateUtils proposal, standard date generators

2003-12-08 Thread Brian McCallister
Several people, prodded by Glenn Nielson, discussed putting together a project to overcome the shortcoming of Date and Calendar, ranging from their pita to use-ness to their massive performance bottlenecks. I know Glenn has had the flu so don't think he has gotten the ball rolling, but this

Re: [lang] DateUtils proposal, standard date generators

2003-12-08 Thread scolebourne
I am preparing the way to move the www.joda.org time code to Apache. There is no doubt that it fits well with commons, but I am also wary given the changing nature of Jakarta at present. This doesn't exclude changes to DateUtils, but should limit the expansion on that class. (DateUtils should

Re: [lang] DateUtils proposal, standard date generators

2003-12-08 Thread Brian McCallister
Joda is a great project, but is of a very different tack than what Glenn brought up -- Glenn, that is your cue -- which is that Date and Calendar are A) very broken, and B) very embedded in lots of places. If projects are willing to use the Joda library instead of the standard library that is

RE: [lang] DateUtils proposal, standard date generators

2003-12-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I am preparing the way to move the www.joda.org time code to Apache. There is no doubt that it fits well with commons, but I am also wary given the changing nature of Jakarta at present. I agree with everything up to the last clause. What is your concern? --- Noel

RE: [lang] DateUtils proposal, standard date generators

2003-12-08 Thread scolebourne
There are discussions over Apache-commons, over commit rights within Jakarta, the size of jakarta-commons (and sustainability of growth), willingness to allow new comitters to just work on sandbox code, the role of the sandbox, the incubator, the list seems to go on. With 1/3 of all dev mails

Re: [lang] DateUtils proposal, standard date generators

2003-12-08 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Although apparantly simple, all date methods and concepts get complex very quickly. For example timezone handling and daylight savings handling. These methods don't feel like the right additions to DateUtils at the moment. Stephen - Original Message - From: Ash .. [EMAIL PROTECTED] The