Re: Distributions to include dependencies?

2005-01-01 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 27 Dec 2004, at 21:38, Henri Yandell wrote: Not a huge issue for things like Lang which have no dependencies, but for other things like Digester I think it would be a lot better if the binary tar.gz contained the jars it depends on? without wishing to say anything about the general principle,

Re: Distributions to include dependencies?

2004-12-30 Thread Paulo Gaspar
Sometimes it is even difficult to define what are those dependencies, because it depends on the use cases. An example of this that got me by surprise is the HttpClient. Some time ago I had to import the Commons HttpClient into an Oracle Database. By default, Oracle's import tool tries to

Re: Distributions to include dependencies?

2004-12-30 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Martin Cooper wrote: Whether or not it's petty change depends on (a) how you define dependencies (see below), and (b) your network connection. People still using dial-up connections (and there are still a lot of them) will not appreciate the extra download times, especially for stuff they already

Re: Distributions to include dependencies?

2004-12-28 Thread Henning P. Schmiedehausen
Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not a huge issue for things like Lang which have no dependencies, but for other things like Digester I think it would be a lot better if the binary tar.gz contained the jars it depends on? So when I download digester-1.6, the tar.gz contains jars for

Re: Re: Distributions to include dependencies?

2004-12-28 Thread Rory Winston
I'm -1 on including dependencies by default. I am +0 on the idea of creating a separate binary download that includes the deps (e.g. look at Spring for an example) Cheers, Rory _ Sign up for eircom broadband now and get a free

Re: Distributions to include dependencies?

2004-12-28 Thread Martin Cooper
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:23:30 -0500, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:48:00 -0800, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not me. Doing this will lead to people having multiple copies of various component jars lying around on their disks, and will

Re: Distributions to include dependencies?

2004-12-28 Thread Henri Yandell
Curse you and your valid points :) Next step for me is to work out just how much of Commons is affected by your points. If it's just a particular component, then we work around it (ie don't put the things in the dist, same as the current situation). One positive is that if we manually place a

Distributions to include dependencies?

2004-12-27 Thread Henri Yandell
Not a huge issue for things like Lang which have no dependencies, but for other things like Digester I think it would be a lot better if the binary tar.gz contained the jars it depends on? So when I download digester-1.6, the tar.gz contains jars for logging-1.0.3 and beanutils-1.7. We're not

Re: Distributions to include dependencies?

2004-12-27 Thread Phil Steitz
Henri Yandell wrote: Not a huge issue for things like Lang which have no dependencies, but for other things like Digester I think it would be a lot better if the binary tar.gz contained the jars it depends on? Just my HO, but to me that defeats the purpose of ibiblio/java-repository. It also

Re: Distributions to include dependencies?

2004-12-27 Thread Henri Yandell
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:14:36 -0500, Phil Steitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: Not a huge issue for things like Lang which have no dependencies, but for other things like Digester I think it would be a lot better if the binary tar.gz contained the jars it depends on? Just

Re: Distributions to include dependencies?

2004-12-27 Thread Oliver Zeigermann
I am with Henri here... Oliver On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:36:02 -0500, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:14:36 -0500, Phil Steitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: Not a huge issue for things like Lang which have no dependencies, but for other things

Re: Distributions to include dependencies?

2004-12-27 Thread Phil Steitz
Henri Yandell wrote: On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:14:36 -0500, Phil Steitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: Not a huge issue for things like Lang which have no dependencies, but for other things like Digester I think it would be a lot better if the binary tar.gz contained the jars it

Re: Distributions to include dependencies?

2004-12-27 Thread David Graham
It would certainly be helpful to our users to include the dependencies in the distro. Otherwise, it's like trying to drive a car without the wheels. David --- Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not a huge issue for things like Lang which have no dependencies, but for other things like

Re: Distributions to include dependencies?

2004-12-27 Thread Steven Caswell
I'm +1 to Henri's idea for this reason: When I'm using a package that requires other jars, I typically install the package on my development platform way ahead of the time when I'll be running maven. On some projects I never even run maven on the development box. Having the dependent jars as

Re: Distributions to include dependencies?

2004-12-27 Thread Martin Cooper
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:38:03 -0500, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not a huge issue for things like Lang which have no dependencies, but for other things like Digester I think it would be a lot better if the binary tar.gz contained the jars it depends on? So when I download

Re: Distributions to include dependencies?

2004-12-27 Thread Henri Yandell
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:48:00 -0800, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not me. Doing this will lead to people having multiple copies of various component jars lying around on their disks, and will unnecessarily increase the amount of stuff that people need to download. Definitely