Re: commons-logging auto-detection WAS: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-28 Thread Richard Sitze
news [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/27/2004 06:40:16 PM: I think often JCL will be used as you describe, but not always. Not always is of less concern. Matt, the PRIMARY focus of JCL is as Ceki described. There are no if/ands/buts about it. If you choose to use it in any other fashion, you

Re: commons-logging auto-detection WAS: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-27 Thread Henning P. Schmiedehausen
Charles Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Original Message- From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 11:24 AM To: commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org Subject: commons-logging auto-detection WAS: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0

RE: commons-logging auto-detection WAS: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-27 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 03:05 AM 12/27/2004, Charles Daniels wrote: If I understand the JCL discovery mechanism correctly, it actually should work just fine in the scenario you describe above. For it to work, you would not set the org.apache.commons.logging.LogFactory system property, because, as you pointed out,

Re: commons-logging auto-detection WAS: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-27 Thread Martin Cooper
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:49:45 +0100, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 03:05 AM 12/27/2004, Charles Daniels wrote: If I understand the JCL discovery mechanism correctly, it actually should work just fine in the scenario you describe above. For it to work, you would not set the

RE: commons-logging auto-detection WAS: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-27 Thread Richard Sitze
Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/27/2004 05:49:45 AM: At 03:05 AM 12/27/2004, Charles Daniels wrote: If I understand the JCL discovery mechanism correctly, it actually should work just fine in the scenario you describe above. For it to work, you would not set the

Re: commons-logging auto-detection WAS: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-27 Thread Richard Sitze
-logging auto-detection WAS: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0? Simon et al. Log4j is slowly migrating to a model where there will be only a single log4j.jar installed per Application Server. This single copy will be installed under the ./common/lib or ./lib

Re: commons-logging auto-detection WAS: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-27 Thread Martin Cooper
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:41:56 -0600, Richard Sitze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/27/2004 05:49:45 AM: At 03:05 AM 12/27/2004, Charles Daniels wrote: If I understand the JCL discovery mechanism correctly, it actually should work just fine in the

Re: commons-logging auto-detection WAS: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-27 Thread Matt Sgarlata
Ceki Gülcü wrote: At 03:05 AM 12/27/2004, Charles Daniels wrote: If I understand the JCL discovery mechanism correctly, it actually should work just fine in the scenario you describe above. For it to work, you would not set the org.apache.commons.logging.LogFactory system property, because, as

Re: commons-logging auto-detection WAS: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-27 Thread Richard Sitze
Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/27/2004 01:07:28 PM: On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:41:56 -0600, Richard Sitze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/27/2004 05:49:45 AM: At 03:05 AM 12/27/2004, Charles Daniels wrote: If I understand the JCL

Re: commons-logging auto-detection WAS: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-27 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Matt, JCL exists mainly for the purpose of libraries wishing to *integrate* with the logging API chosen by the user by deferring the selection of the logging impl to runtime. The author of library net.sf.morph probably does *not* wish to impose any logging related property on the end-user.

Re: commons-logging auto-detection WAS: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-27 Thread Matt Sgarlata
I think often JCL will be used as you describe, but not always. For example, let's say I am developing a component that monitors database activity and monitors usage statistics (this is a hypothetical example). The main purpose of this component is to log messages to be processed later by a

commons-logging auto-detection WAS: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-26 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Simon et al. Log4j is slowly migrating to a model where there will be only a single log4j.jar installed per Application Server. This single copy will be installed under the ./common/lib or ./lib/ directories. See [1, 2, 3] for further details. Consider the case of single log4j.jar placed in

RE: commons-logging auto-detection WAS: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-26 Thread Charles Daniels
-Original Message- From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 11:24 AM To: commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org Subject: commons-logging auto-detection WAS: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0? Simon et al. Log4j is slowly