Re: Hackathon at OSCON?

2003-05-14 Thread James Duncan Davidson
On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 00:12 US/Pacific, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: So, is there any interest in holding an ASF hackathon at OSCON? No idea if we've already passed an expiration of the offer though. Unfortunately, not enough interest was gathered soon enough. I believe that the hackathon

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Santiago Gala
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:13 AM +0200 Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And given what he thinks about the "publicity" cause in the Apache License, that makes it "incompatible" with GNU, it's really amusing. At an academic workshop I was at last weekend

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
> > No BSD code can compete with Proprietary code based on BSD code. > > > > As it is BSD and then some. And therefore better. In reality this does not > > playout that well (due to maintenance, integration and other biz./reality > > costs) But once you have to explain that - you've lost the o

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Santiago Gala
Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On Tue, 13 May 2003, Martin van den Bemt wrote: I just mailed him that he shouldn't waste my time.. What a major idiot.. That is a bit rash I think. The guy makes a valid point; and one which resonates unbelivably well with managers, policy makers, politicians and lob

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Jeff Trawick
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: What I wonder is how many of those authors/copyright-holders have actually read the GPL and understand what it really means. -- justin Bingo. Herd mentality. Not to diss the GPL itself for that reason. I would diss the GPL for being hard for people to determine exactly

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Stephen McConnell
Andrew Savory wrote: Hi, On Wed, 14 May 2003, Stephen McConnell wrote: 1. open-source is free and that is a problem for department managers because this means they loose budget Fair comment up to a point - but there are vendors of open source software out there, so there are ways around th

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
David N. Welton wrote, On 14/05/2003 9.35: Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: What I wonder is how many of those authors/copyright-holders have actually read the GPL and understand what it really means. -- justin Probably not the details, but on the other hand, the concept of the GPL is

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
You can also look at www.opensource.org where many popular licenses are described in depth. Regards Henning On Wed, 2003-05-14 at 01:09, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 2003, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > > > Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: > > > > > > What happened

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Andrew Savory
Hi, On Wed, 14 May 2003, Stephen McConnell wrote: > 1. open-source is free and that is a problem for department managers > because this means they loose budget Fair comment up to a point - but there are vendors of open source software out there, so there are ways around this (although admittedl

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread David N. Welton
"Sander Striker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > From the other side of things, GPL'ed libraries have also been a > > Free Software Business success story (for example: sleepycat, Qt). > > SleepyCat?? http://www.sleepycat.com/docs/sleepycat/license.html > That's no GPL. No, but the effect is sim

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
On Wed, 2003-05-14 at 09:35, David N. Welton wrote: > Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > What I wonder is how many of those authors/copyright-holders have > > actually read the GPL and understand what it really means. -- > > justin > > Probably not the details, but on the other

RE: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 22:24, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > What is certainly somewhat 'amusing' to us, in the same way Iraq's > > minister of information's statements were 'amusing', aren't exactly > > veiled in mystery. > > Well now ... that's certainly a unique view of Richard Stallman. :-) Comi

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
Uhh, Licensing discussion breaks out on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Film at Eleven. Everything in this article is old news, rehashed many times to death in public places like LKML or /. There is not a single new word in it. So please let it rest. It is IMHO freedom when every software author can choose the

RE: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Sander Striker
> From: David N. Welton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:35 AM > Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > What I wonder is how many of those authors/copyright-holders have > > actually read the GPL and understand what it really means. -- > > justin > > Prob

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Stephen McConnell
David N. Welton wrote: Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: What I wonder is how many of those authors/copyright-holders have actually read the GPL and understand what it really means. -- justin Probably not the details, but on the other hand, the concept of the GPL is clever, an

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread David N. Welton
Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What I wonder is how many of those authors/copyright-holders have > actually read the GPL and understand what it really means. -- > justin Probably not the details, but on the other hand, the concept of the GPL is clever, and the idea of 'not getti

Hackathon at OSCON?

2003-05-14 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
I'm not entirely sure party@ is the place for this since it's not quite a 'party,' but I've heard a rumor (from Duncan) that O'Reilly is hoping to provide space at OSCON for interested parties to hold a hackathon for two days (Sunday and Monday) before the actual conference in July. I don't bel

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:13 AM +0200 Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And given what he thinks about the "publicity" cause in the Apache License, that makes it "incompatible" with GNU, it's really amusing. At an academic workshop I was at last weekend on open source, someone br

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Noel J. Bergman wrote, On 13/05/2003 22.24: ... In 1992, when GNU was nearly complete, Linus Torvalds released a free program that fit the last major gap. You'd think that Stallman's ego wouldn't require him to marginalize Torvald's work to boost his own. And given what he thinks about the "public