Re: Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Morgan Delagrange
--- Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sam Ruby wrote: > > > > It certainly is easier to migrate content that > exists, even if it is in > > the wrong format, than content that does not > exist. > > +1! > > as usual, sam demonstrates his uncanny knack to cut > through the > pe

Re: Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Sam Ruby wrote: It certainly is easier to migrate content that exists, even if it is in the wrong format, than content that does not exist. +1! as usual, sam demonstrates his uncanny knack to cut through the persiflage to one of the real issues. -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini h

RE: Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> > Because wiki's tend to fill with content rapdily, once you > > use them for a little while you are pretty much locked in. > Counterpoint? Personally, I'm getting mileage out of UseModWiki, despite its issues. I wouldn't want to have to move every page in the Wiki, but I could cut & paste the

Re: Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Sam Ruby
James Taylor wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 23:58, Jeff Turner wrote: it is better to have ANY Wiki (here, UseModWiki) than try to establish a nonexistent consensus on which Wiki everyone agrees is best. That can be sorted out later, if people want it sorted out badly enough. I agree in general, but

Re: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-09 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
David N. Welton wrote: "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I'm going to be curious to see how Subwiki works out -- if the intent is to switch --- being in Python, not Perl, but still not in Java. Are there more Python coders than Perl here? Anyone can code in Python. It's easy, and it

Re: Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
James Taylor wrote: How viable is it to machine migrate the content? The UseModWiki content isn't in bare text files, so a little bit of work will be needed. Brilliant! what's yer beef? at least something got *done*! /me runs away -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Co

Re: Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread James Taylor
On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 23:58, Jeff Turner wrote: > it is better to have ANY Wiki (here, UseModWiki) than try to establish a > nonexistent consensus on which Wiki everyone agrees is best. That can be > sorted out later, if people want it sorted out badly enough. I agree in general, but the Wiki is

Re: Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 05:51:55PM +1100, Jeff Turner wrote: > On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 10:26:41PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Sometimes it's better to _think_ before talking or doing :-) > > > > And it's nothing wrong to think after talking and doing - > > and make changes and adjustments.

Re: Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Jeff Turner
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 10:26:41PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Sometimes it's better to _think_ before talking or doing :-) > > And it's nothing wrong to think after talking and doing - > and make changes and adjustments. Agreed. > I don't think open source or "meritocracy" is about doing,

Re: Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread cmanolache
Sometimes it's better to _think_ before talking or doing :-) And it's nothing wrong to think after talking and doing - and make changes and adjustments. I don't think open source or "meritocracy" is about doing, it's more about feedback and review and improvements. Costin On Thu, 9 Jan 2003,

RE: Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jeff, Unless I missed a discussion elsewhere (I'm only on community@ and infrastructure@, as well as project lists), Andy appeared to be complaining about (a) people asking for changes to the Wiki without contributing patches, and (b) the current lack of consensus on how to integrate push-model in

Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Jeff Turner
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 12:50:55PM -0800, Greg Stein wrote: > On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 02:17:38PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > http://www.freeroller.net/page/acoliver/20030108#when_is_community_not_a > >... > > - he was criticized for a message that he made > > in jest, but which wasn't

RE: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> Yup. Python people *and* Subversion people. :) Well *that* much I knew. :-) The association between Collab.Net and the ASF isn't obscured. I keep wondering if some of the tigris.org projects will migrate to the ASF. There appears to be a lot in common, including people. ASF uses (or will use

Re: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-09 Thread B. W. Fitzpatrick
"Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm going to be curious to see how Subwiki works out -- if the intent is to > switch --- being in Python, not Perl, but still not in Java. Are there more > Python coders than Perl here? Yup. Python people *and* Subversion people. :) -Fitz

RE: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-09 Thread Daniel Rall
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > I'm going to be curious to see how Subwiki works out -- if the intent is to > switch --- being in Python, not Perl, but still not in Java. Are there more > Python coders than Perl here? Hell Yeah.

Re: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-08 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Greg Stein wrote: On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 10:12:50PM -0500, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: So I have email notification sorta working. I can't get the diffs included.. Its too bad we don't have any decent perl programmers. I'm apparently the master PERL programmer here. The rest of you are all talk.

Re: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-08 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: -jAndy.pl.NET ROTFL :) -- Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

RE: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> You're missing the fact that a "just do it" attitude can be totally > inconsiderate towards your peers. Actually, that is what I meant when I said "'Just Do It' results in one person's vision being realized, and a cycle of potentially conflicting changes necessary to stabilize the code." I shou

Re: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-08 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 03:49:06PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Justin, > > I don't particularly care which Wiki we use, so if one has benefits over the > other, great. But I would like to see the content migrated from usemodwiki > to Subwiki if that's what is going to be used. How viable is

Re: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-08 Thread David N. Welton
"Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm going to be curious to see how Subwiki works out -- if the > intent is to switch --- being in Python, not Perl, but still not in > Java. Are there more Python coders than Perl here? Anyone can code in Python. It's easy, and it runs anywhere.

RE: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Justin, I don't particularly care which Wiki we use, so if one has benefits over the other, great. But I would like to see the content migrated from usemodwiki to Subwiki if that's what is going to be used. How viable is it to machine migrate the content? --- Noel

Re: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-08 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 02:17:38PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > http://www.freeroller.net/page/acoliver/20030108#when_is_community_not_a >... > - he was criticized for a message that he made > in jest, but which wasn't at all obvious in > that intent. To be honest, I usually find pe

RE: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-08 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Wednesday, January 8, 2003 2:17 PM -0500 "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm going to be curious to see how Subwiki works out -- if the intent is to switch --- being in Python, not Perl, but still not in Java. Are there more Python coders than Perl here? Certainly more than Per

RE: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Original Message- From: Martin van den Bemt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 13:12 To: community@apache.org Subject: RE: email notification done...sorta Andy unsubscribed btw.. http://www.freeroller.net/page/acoliver/20030108#when_is_community_not_a Mvgr, Martin

RE: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> For those of you who are humor-impaired, or not aware of the Perl "Acme" > meme, the Acme::* line of modules on CPAN are jokes. Aha! :-) I knew there was a joke in there somewhere, but that little tidbit does help to illuminate the punchline. --- Noel

Re: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-08 Thread Rich Bowen
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Rich Bowen wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > > So I have email notification sorta working. I can't get the diffs > > included.. > > > > Its too bad we don't have any decent perl programmers. I'm apparently > > the master PERL programmer here. The rest

RE: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-08 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Andy unsubscribed btw.. http://www.freeroller.net/page/acoliver/20030108#when_is_community_not_a Mvgr, Martin > -Original Message- > From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 19:12 > To: community@apache.org > Subject: Re: email no

Re: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-08 Thread Joe Schaefer
"Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > I was going to reply that perhaps the choice of usemodwiki was a good > one as a turnkey thing, but perhaps not the best choice for the long > term due to the lack of competent Perl programmers willing to > contribute. At the moment, Danny An

RE: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> > > Its too bad we don't have any decent perl programmers. I'm apparently > > > the master PERL programmer here. The rest of you are all talk. > > I'm getting quite sick of your "you're all talk" attitude. > > > Chill the hell out. > damn. I was joking around. sheesh. That was not at all c

Re: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-08 Thread James Taylor
"Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Its too bad we don't have any decent perl programmers. I'm apparently > the master PERL programmer here. The rest of you are all talk. I like to think that is because this community consists of a lot of good software engineers. People who run and

Re: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-08 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Andy, I'm getting quite sick of your "you're all talk" attitude. Chill the hell out. -g damn. I was joking around. sheesh.

Re: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-08 Thread Rich Bowen
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > So I have email notification sorta working. I can't get the diffs > included.. > > Its too bad we don't have any decent perl programmers. I'm apparently > the master PERL programmer here. The rest of you are all talk. It's Perl, not PERL. So eviden

Re: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-08 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 10:12:50PM -0500, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > So I have email notification sorta working. I can't get the diffs > included.. > > Its too bad we don't have any decent perl programmers. I'm apparently > the master PERL programmer here. The rest of you are all talk. > > To