So, ok, the NEO does NOT support 850/1900 MHz band, this is an issue,
FIC is informed of that and i think that they are evaluating the
possibilities to make it working, so please just stop crying at the list
"my neo here isn't working..." ok, i understand the problem and i
understand you, but r
I have just set up the following page
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/US_850_band_users_wanting_to_sell_Neo
Hope it helps people to get in touch with potential buyers in other parts of
the world where this is not an issue and get some return on their
investment.
Rakshat
PS - I have no connection
ian douglas wrote:
"I don't want to start another thread like the other guy did a few months
back bout "convince me to keep my Neo" but now I've got two major
strikes against me using this phone. What's next?"
Ahhh...There's nothing like achieving infamy to start my morning off right.
Serious
So, the North AND Southern American continents, in short, the entire
western hemisphere, then ?
Gareth
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Sutherland
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 4:34 PM
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Alright I stand corrected on one aspect of this, but 850Mhz
(specficied power) is double the output power of 1900Mhz
and is used extensively in rural areas. Any future version of
Neo will need 850/1900 for North America. And as stated
earlier, these countries also use 850Mhz:
Antigua, Argentina,
On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 at 12:42:28PM -0500, Doug Sutherland wrote:
> 850Mhz is "odd" because north america is "big".
> Output power 2 watt versus 1 watt for 1900 Mhz.
> To cover rural areas, less towers required for 850Mhz.
> There will be more not less 850 support in the future.
> Europe is much more
No, actually Unicon Systems have product coming shortly (Dec/Jan) with
smaller and larger screen sizes and more memory, as needed. I have seen
it in their offices!
Contact Marius Kaz for roadmap and delivery info : Marius Kaz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Bill
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>> That's
http://www.proficio.ca/
> Not really true... Europe have GSM 900/1800...
They have two frequencies for different reasons.
1800 was added due to congestion on 900. In
North America 850Mhz is longer distance due
to higher output power. Read specs on cellular
modules (hardware) and you will see
Didnt know they had Angstrom for it. That sure helps. But how do
you get
Angstrom onto the board? Do you need JTAG for that? Or can it boot
from SD or
USB the way it's shipped?
According to
http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/download/x270-em-linux-doc.zip
it appears tthat it can boot and f
On Wednesday 07 November 2007 20:02:47 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> Just needs a plastic case (plus stylus) case. Everything else is
> available (charger, battery, etc.).
Well if someone can provide a complete unit that boots into OpenMoko for
~500USD (and can make use of WiFi), I'll likely
Am 07.11.2007 um 19:08 schrieb Gabriel Ambuehl:
On Wednesday 07 November 2007 18:23:18 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Problem is I dont want to buy a lot of $750 US units if I could
just develop on e.g. gphone or iphone which will be way cheaper.
You need not buy many units yourself - ther
That's a shame.
Have a look at the upcoming GSM-enabled h/w from Unicon Systems:
http://www.uniconsys.com/
Good pointer, and already available. But...
- 32 MB SDRAM
- 32 MB flash
- Screen:
- TFT LCD QVGA 3.5'' 16M color screen
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Ope
Doug Sutherland skrev:
850Mhz is "odd" because north america is "big".
Output power 2 watt versus 1 watt for 1900 Mhz.
To cover rural areas, less towers required for 850Mhz.
There will be more not less 850 support in the future.
Europe is much more congested so can justify more
towers with less
On Wednesday 07 November 2007 18:23:18 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> > Problem is I dont want to buy a lot of $750 US units if I could
> > just develop on e.g. gphone or iphone which will be way cheaper.
>
> You need not buy many units yourself - there is an idea for a group
> purchase. So if
I did not look further as Neo was about 100% what I was looking for.
Thanks to all for the help.
Bye.
Unfortunately, I think this is a very good summary of the issue. The
Neo is still primarily a developer phone w/o the 850 band, at least
here in NA. Since that's where I am, it's no long
850Mhz is "odd" because north america is "big".
Output power 2 watt versus 1 watt for 1900 Mhz.
To cover rural areas, less towers required for 850Mhz.
There will be more not less 850 support in the future.
Europe is much more congested so can justify more
towers with less output power on phones.
Al Johnson wrote:
We should find out one way or the other reasonably soon.
Like we'd know "reasonably soon" about the TI modem firmware delivery
system that they told us about almost a month ago? ;o)
Seriously, if they can fix the 3G issue so I can just use TMobile for
the time being, then
Am 07.11.2007 um 17:42 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Problem is I dont want to buy a lot of $750 US units if I could
just develop on e.g. gphone or iphone which will be way cheaper.
You need not buy many units yourself - there is an idea for a group
purchase. So if you can convince (many) ot
All may not be lost. FIC are looking at whether 850/1800/1900 is possible with
the existing hardware. We should find out one way or the other reasonably
soon.
On Wednesday 07 November 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Problem is I dont want to buy a lot of $750 US units if I could just
> develop
The 850 Mhz capability of the radio is disabled.
Article quote:
If you're in a major metropolitan area, you probably won't need the
850 MHz band, but if you travel to secondary areas regularly, you
will find the extra coverage of the 850 MHz band to be valuable.
Looking into the future, it is prob
That's a shame.
Have a look at the upcoming GSM-enabled h/w from Unicon Systems:
http://www.uniconsys.com/
Bill W.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I just checked the manual, it is
> 850 / 1900
>
> So it really seems to be a bad idea to continue with NEO here in the
> states.
> Real pity as it was a
Problem is I dont want to buy a lot of $750 US units if I could just
develop on e.g. gphone or iphone which will be way cheaper.
If it is OTS, then it is way more reliable due to massicve customer
feedback than an obscure OEM, but it is a good idea thanks.
It seems I will have to go back to th
Am 07.11.2007 um 17:20 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Anyone has an idea of another phone-pda that can at least allow to
compile your own programs?
I need phones for customers as service modules so they need to be
able to run Linux and be open enough to accept compilers for
Console program
I just checked the manual, it is
850 / 1900
So it really seems to be a bad idea to continue with NEO here in the states.
Real pity as it was about the perfect solution for some of our products.
Anyone has an idea of another phone-pda that can at least allow to
compile your own programs?
I ne
Edwin Lock writes:
>Exactly, North America(and Canada) apparently uses 850/1800 and the rest of
>the world uses 900/1900.
>And without 850 you won't have coverage in North America in a lot of places,
>so practically it won't work.
>Lucky I like in the Netherlands:)
I thought US was 850/1900, ROTW
Yes well it is the dreaded silly 110V/220V, Pal/NTSC, lb/kg
standards monster again.
Not long ago (10 yeqrs ago) there were a lot of resistance to GSM here
which is just not understandable and luckily it is getting way more
foothold.
I am currently with T-Mobile as they always were a GSM sh
On ke, 2007-11-07 at 10:31 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Sorry, I cannot get the original reference to why this is an issue for
> North American users.
NA uses the unusual 850 MHz and 1900 MHz bands for GSM. The Neo, at
least as it will be first available, will not support 850 MHz (but will
1
Exactly, North America(and Canada) apparently uses 850/1800 and the rest of
the world uses 900/1900.
And without 850 you won't have coverage in North America in a lot of places,
so practically it won't work.
Lucky I like in the Netherlands:)
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Sorry, I cannot get the original reference to why this is an issue for
North American users.
Can someone just give me a 2-5 liner of what this means to a user that
will buy commercial versions released later this year as my interest is
for product integration with existing products, so I need
Edwin Lock wrote:
> North America(and Canada) apparently uses 850/1800 and the rest of
> the world uses 900/1900.
No, North America uses 850/1900 and most of the rest of the world uses
900/1800, but there are MANY MANY countries that use 1900 and more
than just North America uses 850. And Canada
Well, we've got the Aux button to replace that. As far as I understood it
it's a simple button press thing.
On Nov 6, 2007 8:36 PM, Steven ** <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> "What are the features of the chumby?
> Wi-fi connectivity • access to the free Chumby Network • 3.5" LCD
> color touchscreen
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