Re: Will the Neo FreeRunner have a hold switch?

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:58:17 +0700 Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Hey all > I just wonder if the Neo will have a hold switch. > A switch that locks the screen. no. it has 2 buttons. 1 power and 1 aux. same as gta01. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___

Re: NZ Group order

Jeremy List wrote: yeah, they're finally ditching cdma in a few months, for gsm. technically we could switch sims to go from one network to the other, but i think we'd need the original proposed quad-band neo to do that. need some reliable evidence on which freqs the two companies use The exact

Re: 10 or more phones order

On Mon, April 28, 2008 4:27 pm, Flyin_bbb8 wrote: > from my understanding its the first :p but don't know.. My understanding is that there will be two different things that you can buy. - a single phone. - a pack of 10 phones. You can buy multiples of each. If you like, you can be 10 lots of

Weekly Wiki Page Views

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10 PACK UPDATE!!!

Shachar, Please include me in the Israeli buying group. Maybe we should open a group page in openmoko wiki? Ofer * * ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Will the Neo FreeRunner have a hold switch?

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:58:17 +0700 Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: Hey all I just wonder if the Neo will have a hold switch. A switch that locks the screen. no. it has 2 buttons. 1 power and 1 aux. same as gta01. however, there will b

Re: Italy User Group

2008/4/28 ramsesoriginal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I am organizing one in South Tyrol. I want just to check all the > person who said they want one (more then twenty), and then look how > many more we need to come to a complete set of k*10 Neos. Probably > i'll also buy something like 7 or 8 neos for

Re: Italy User Group

Andrea Debortoli ha scritto: > > > 2008/4/28 ramsesoriginal <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >: > > I am organizing one in South Tyrol. I want just to check all the > person who said they want one (more then twenty), and then look how > many more we need to come to a co

Re: Italy User Group

2008/4/28 Paolo Cavallini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Andrea Debortoli ha scritto: > > > > > > 2008/4/28 ramsesoriginal <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >: > > > > I am organizing one in South Tyrol. I want just to check all the > > person who said they want one (more then twent

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

On Thursday 24 April 2008 13:20:12 Carsten Haitzler wrote: > again - we could do better if we limited ourselves to just mpeg4 (which is > what > almost all phones do - they do only 1 codec or maybe 2), but the problem here > is that xv does not provide a way to do this sanely (stream just mpeg4 d

Re: 10 or more phones order

Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano wrote: Well, may be that i missed the answer but someone asked if the discount and the extra stuff are applied only to the 10 pack or it could also be a 12 pack? So to let you understand the condition is: if (phones_ordered == 10) do_the_10_pack_trick(); More

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Tom Cooksey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 24 April 2008 13:20:12 Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > again - we could do better if we limited ourselves to just mpeg4 (which is > what > > almost all phones do - they do only 1 codec or maybe 2), but the proble

Re: 10 or more phones order

> > I just can't leave it like that. :-) > > if (phones_ordered % 10 * PRICE_1 > PRICE_10_PACK) > phones_ordered += 10 - phones_ordered % 10; Is this really necessary? what this code is for? And where are comments? :) ___ Openmoko community mailin

Re: 10 or more phones order

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:20:46 +0200, ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, may be that i missed the answer but someone asked if the discount and the extra stuff are applied only to the 10 pack or it could also be a 12 pack? So to let you understand the condition is: if (phones_orde

Re: 10 or more phones order

And why is it not in Python? On 4/28/08, Ilja O. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I just can't leave it like that. :-) > > > > if (phones_ordered % 10 * PRICE_1 > PRICE_10_PACK) > > phones_ordered += 10 - phones_ordered % 10; > > Is this really necessary? > what this code is for? > And whe

Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

Hello, put your name down here, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Group_Order warm regards James 2008/4/28 Ofer Herman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Shachar, > > Please include me in the Israeli buying group. > Maybe we should open a group page in openmoko wiki? > > Ofer > > > __

Re: 10 or more phones order

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Federico Lorenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And why is it not in Python? > > It would be too easy to read. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/co

Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

That's the old page, the current one is: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales Monday 28 April 2008 skrev James Olney: > Hello, > put your name down here, > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Group_Order > > warm regards > James > > 2008/4/28 Ofer Herman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Shachar, > > > > Ple

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

On Monday 28 April 2008 10:32:22 Bin Chen wrote: > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Tom Cooksey > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thursday 24 April 2008 13:20:12 Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > > > again - we could do better if we limited ourselves to just mpeg4 (which > > is what > > > almost a

Re: Will the Neo FreeRunner have a hold switch?

On Monday 28 April 2008 09:37:14 robin paulson wrote: > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:58:17 +0700 Alexander Frøyseth > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > >> Hey all > >> I just wonder if the Neo will have a hold switch. > >> A switch that locks the screen. > >

10 Pack in West Midlands, England?

Is anybody in the West Midlands interested in getting a 10 pack? Would be great to save that bit of money and get the extra goodies. Mo. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/communi

Re: 10 or more phones order

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:28:56 +0200, Ilja O. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Federico Lorenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And why is it not in Python? It would be too easy to read. So why's it not in Perl then, You could do all that in a simple one-liner... ;o)

Re: 10 or more phones order

> > So why's it not in Perl then, > You could do all that in a simple one-liner... > > ;o) > > I don't know Perl :( But I could try to write on z/OS HLASM. Or Erlang... Btw, it could be simple one-liner in Python too. Like this: phone_count = 42 _orders = ["BOX" for _i in xrange(phone_coun

Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)

David Murrell wrote: Wait a minute... /me backs up the metaphorical truck... Just _how_ accurate are these accelerometers? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Technical:Accelerometer_Fundamentals gives some ideas. The basis of this is the accelerometer used in the wii - as that is about the sensit

Re: 10 Pack in West Midlands, England?

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:00:39 +0100 Mo Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is anybody in the West Midlands interested in getting a 10 pack? Would > be great to save that bit of money and get the extra goodies. The UK group sales list is undergoing a bit of a process of splitting up into regions:

Re: 10 Pack in West Midlands, England?

Hey, yes put you name down here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#England i'm not sure how it's going to work. but if you put your name down we know you're interested. James 2008/4/28 Mo Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Is anybody in the West Midlands interested in getting a 10 pack? Woul

Re: 10 Pack in West Midlands, England?

Great, thanks! I have added a West Midlands section and put my name there, I noticed a couple of West Midlands names in the London section, but have left them there since I'm not sure what the rules of etiquette are for such situations. Mo. On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 12:33 +0100, James Olney wrote: >

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

I think this would be great.. Ideally it would not decode it completely, but simply encode the video with some simpler compression... Another question: if we skip sound, would the decoding be faster? By how much? On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > just thinki

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

ramsesoriginal wrote: I think this would be great.. Ideally it would not decode it completely, but simply encode the video with some simpler compression... Another question: if we skip sound, would the decoding be faster? By how much? As a datapoint, most VCD class mpegs/avis I had around pla

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

What if you could use one of those 'coming very soon' Laser projection device(s) connected to USB ? On Monday 28 April 2008 08:17:18 Flyin_bbb8 wrote: > just thinking out loud here, for example maybe you have some short videos > you want to show to some other people, so u can open an app that

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if you could use one of those 'coming very soon' Laser projection device(s) connected to USB ? USB1.1 only (on the Freerunner) And they are not cheap. (presumably) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.open

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

On ma, 2008-04-28 at 13:59 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What if you could use one of those 'coming very soon' Laser projection > device(s) connected to USB ? You'd be looking at 12 Mbit/s max for the USB1.1, not fun. Really peeps, face it, seems that the sane way to do non-crappy video on t

RE: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)

Yeah, I had a look at the page, summed up rather well at the bottom - basically we're limited to somewhat coarse motor movements, unless one axis is restricted. I had an idea to strap it to my motorbike, start it logging, and go for a blat and see what the output is. Could be interwesting, and pos

Re: Italy User Group

Andrea Debortoli ha scritto: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Italy Just 2 things, when someone insert his/her name should also update the number at the top, just under the city! Hey, we are 37 people!! :D Go go go go Cya! Pietro __

Re: 10 or more phones order

Ilja O. ha scritto: So why's it not in Perl then, You could do all that in a simple one-liner... ;o) I don't know Perl :( But I could try to write on z/OS HLASM. Or Erlang... Btw, it could be simple one-liner in Python too. Like this: phone_count = 42 _orders = ["BOX" for _i in xrang

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ramsesoriginal wrote: > As a datapoint, most VCD class mpegs/avis I had around played just fine. > (150kilobytes/second, 320*240 or so). > Yes, they framedropped a bit, and ended up around 15-18fps. > > Without audio, it

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

Am Montag, den 28.04.2008, 15:12 +0300 schrieb Mikko Rauhala: > Really peeps, face it, seems that the sane way to do non-crappy video on > the Freerunner is to get driver support for that Glamo mpeg-4 decoding > (remember, the hardware is capable). Hopefully everyone's grasping at > straws makes O

Re: 10 or more phones order

On 4/28/08, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ilja O. ha scritto: > > > > > So why's it not in Perl then, > > > You could do all that in a simple one-liner... > > > > > > ;o) > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know Perl :( > > But I could try to write on z/OS HLASM. Or Erlang..

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

On ma, 2008-04-28 at 16:13 +0200, Jens Fursund wrote: > Is mpeg-4 decoding in the Glamo chip only video? Or could we use it to > decode audio as well to decrease CPU-time, thereby having more > batterytime for playing mpeg4 audio? Video only. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://w

Re: 10 or more phones order

On 4/28/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All the code can be written with standard cut (the Unix command). btw., awk is more easy than cut :) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

Jens Fursund wrote: Mikko Rauhala wrote: Really peeps, face it, seems that the sane way to do non-crappy video on the Freerunner is to get driver support for that Glamo mpeg-4 decoding (remember, the hardware is capable). Hopefully everyone's grasping at straws makes OM bump up the priority

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

But isn't it still limited by the bandwidth available from the micro SD card? Maybe I misunderstood that. Basically what I'm curious about is if in the future someone does take the time to figure out and write the appropriate driver for the glamo chip, will we be able to watch movies on the free

Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

On 4/28/08, Werner Almesberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > steve wrote: > > Werner doesn't even know he was the inspiration. > > Oh, *now* I'm curious :-) > > - Werner Maybe you "run free" of something? (Did you run away from jail/work/someone???) Or running out _in_ the free? Or you where runnin

Upgrading 1973 to Freerunner

In view of 'many' 1973's becoming obsolete and probably 'ridden' with unfixable problems, would it be 'thinkable' to replace the internals of the device with a FreeRunner Motherboard ? I heard that the most costly part of a device it the screen, and that the screen IFAIK is the same for both sys

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

On 4/28/08, Ryan Prior <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The community list is for getting phones into peoples' hands? Where has the > actual community discussion gone, then? If there is need for a special > purpose list to get phones into peoples' hands, it would not be hard to > create one. Besides, i

Re: Upgrading 1973 to Freerunner

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In view of 'many' 1973's becoming obsolete and probably 'ridden' with unfixable problems, would it be 'thinkable' to replace the internals of the device with a FreeRunner Motherboard ? I heard that the most costly part of a device it the screen, and that the screen IFA

New List?

Hi, just a question. Do you think that it makes sense to put the distribution questions to a new mailing list? This community list gets flooded with "group sales" messages. Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http:

Re: New List?

+1 Am Montag, den 28.04.2008, 17:03 +0200 schrieb Dirk Deimeke: > Hi, > > just a question. > > Do you think that it makes sense to put the distribution questions to a new > mailing list? > > This community list gets flooded with "group sales" messages. > > Dirk > > > ___

Re: Upgrading 1973 to Freerunner

I think there was a post on the list about a month ago asking this and ultimately, it would cost about as much to "upgrade" a GTA01 as it would to buy a new GTA02 outright. On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In view of 'many' 1973's becoming obsolete and probably 'ridd

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

On ma, 2008-04-28 at 09:26 -0500, Tim Shannon wrote: > But isn't it still limited by the bandwidth available from the micro > SD card? Maybe I misunderstood that. Yes it is. It's just that sending mpeg4 packets to the glamo takes just a _tiny_ bit less bandwidth than sending entire uncompressed

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner?

Is it impossible to make the glamo fetch data from the sd directly? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: New List?

Am Montag, den 28.04.2008, 17:13 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Billaudelle: > +1 -1 I think this will return to a "normal" level when freerunner is shipping. So give it another 2 weeks ;) -- Andre Timmermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Openmoko community mai

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

So generally, when all the drivers, and software are in place, the freerunner is still going to be limited by how much of anything that needs to be streamed off the SD card at one shot. Maybe this was already posted, but what is the bandwidth limit? How many MB/s, etc. On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:26:43 -0500 "Tim Shannon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > But isn't it still limited by the bandwidth available from the micro SD > card? Maybe I misunderstood that. > > Basically what I'm curious about is if in the future someone does take the > time to figure out and writ

Re: New List?

On 4/28/08, Andre Timmermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am Montag, den 28.04.2008, 17:13 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Billaudelle: > > +1 > > -1 > > I think this will return to a "normal" level when freerunner is > shipping. So give it another 2 weeks ;) -1 I agree -- Please don't send me Word or

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner?

On 4/28/08, Kim Alvefur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it impossible to make the glamo fetch data from the sd directly? Try to ask on the kernel list:) Anyway, I think you will get a good explanation of why we cannot do that. The glamo has proprietary firmware, and very limited space for added f

Re: New List?

Am Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:03:38 +0200 schrieb Dirk Deimeke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi, > > just a question. > > Do you think that it makes sense to put the distribution questions to > a new mailing list? What a great idea. Maybe I'm to uncommunicative but I'm tired of marking group order threads

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

On Monday 28 April 2008 17:31:10 Mikko Rauhala wrote: > On ma, 2008-04-28 at 09:26 -0500, Tim Shannon wrote: > > But isn't it still limited by the bandwidth available from the micro > > SD card? Maybe I misunderstood that. > > Yes it is. It's just that sending mpeg4 packets to the glamo takes j

Re: New List?

Andre Timmermann schrieb: > Am Montag, den 28.04.2008, 17:13 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Billaudelle: > >> +1 >> > > -1 > > I think this will return to a "normal" level when freerunner is > shipping. So give it another 2 weeks ;) > me too ___ Open

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

> > I never said anything about a conspiracy - I just thought I'd point out > that > > it strikes me as strange to respond to somebody's call to open up a > process > > and involve the community by asking that person to make their > communications > > private! > > So according to you, it should not

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

I have to say my unvoiced thoughts were the same as Ryan's. I was not at all clear why a call for the community to help figure marketing stuff out would be met by a request to take the discussion off list as though it was somehow inappropriate for public discussion. It seemed like a very strange re

Re: community Digest, Vol 77, Issue 11

Mikko Rauhala wrote: > Really peeps, face it, seems that the sane way to do non-crappy video on > the Freerunner is to get driver support for that Glamo mpeg-4 decoding > (remember, the hardware is capable). Hopefully everyone's grasping at > straws makes OM bump up the priority a bit (though agai

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

hank williams wrote: I have to say my unvoiced thoughts were the same as Ryan's. I was not at all clear why a call for the community to help figure marketing stuff out would be met by a request to take the discussion off list as though it was somehow inappropriate for public discussion. It seem

RE: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

To me, the title of this thread seems very strange, as if engineering and community is mutually exclusive. If this is primarily a developer platform, why are there so many intense opinions about such superficial things as color and marketing anyways? Personally, I was expecting that once the pl

Re: New List?

Andre Timmermann ha scritto: So give it another 2 weeks ;) Hey hey hey what are you trying to tell us? That the neo will be in the shipping/shopping phase in about 2 week? Think what are you going to say!! :D Cya! Pietro ___ Openmoko community ma

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

> If this is primarily a developer platform, why are there so many intense > opinions about such superficial things as color and marketing anyways? > In today's world, there is *very* little daylight between marketing and engineering. They are of a piece. The product design, the feature set, and y

Re: community Digest, Vol 77, Issue 11

On ma, 2008-04-28 at 13:23 -0400, Ken Young wrote: > Much of the recent discussion on the hardware list has centered around > what would be the easiest way to *remove* the glamo from future > revisions of the Freerunner. It sounds like the folks most intimately > familiar with the situation think

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

And to be completely frank about about, I've found the tone of this thread the ugliest thing going on! I'm happy with just getting this phone so I can start developing for it, and I've found most of the push on this thread extremely negative and unproductive. I would guess that's why a private th

Re: New List?

Am Montag, den 28.04.2008, 19:46 +0200 schrieb Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano: > Hey hey hey what are you trying to tell us? > That the neo will be in the shipping/shopping phase in about 2 week? > Think what are you going to say!! :D Indeed, my intention was increasing the pressure to openmoko inc. ;

Re: New List?

Hi, > What a great idea. Maybe I'm to uncommunicative but I'm tired of > marking group order threads and "what colour do i like" questions as > read. At least I found a missing feature in claws: mark folded threats > read ;-) try "ignore" on threads ;-) > I think the wiki would be the best place

Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)

> I'm probably over tired, but the concept of going over a particular type of > bump in the car that makes your stomach feels like its just dropped, and > having the phone play a "w" sound gives me a bit of a chuckle. That was a great idea:) Please add it to the wiki page. Also, if you fall,

Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

> Could you offer shipping by the US Postal Service? Looking at their website, > I see that for instance, they have a service called 'Express Mail > International' that would cost $28 for a single phone, with a delivery time > in 6 days to Sweden, and a service called 'Priority Mail International'

Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Steven Kurylo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would really like the option to use the USPS instead of UPS. UPS > charges much higher brokerage fees to bring a package into Canada > compared to the USPS. > > Thank you. > -- > Steven Kurylo Agreed. I once had t

Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

2008/4/28 Steven Kurylo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I would really like the option to use the USPS instead of UPS. UPS > charges much higher brokerage fees to bring a package into Canada > compared to the USPS. If OpenMoko, Inc. won't do it, it sounds like a business opportunity for someone living c

Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

Ok, everyone, this type of content must stop right away. It will not be tolerated. Michael David Samblas Martinez wrote: We maybe must stop this or freerunner will be the first mobile phone with a PARENTAL ADVISORY tag in its case. :) In oderside it can be a very agresive marketing campaing O

Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 12:30 -0700, Steven Kurylo wrote: > I would really like the option to use the USPS instead of UPS. UPS > charges much higher brokerage fees to bring a package into Canada > compared to the USPS. > > Thank you. Steven, Where are you in Canada? -Jon

RE: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

There is nothing incredible about apple's electrical, software, or mechanical engineering. IMHO.. The marketing/buzz machine is incredible though. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 1:52 P

Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

> > I would really like the option to use the USPS instead of UPS. UPS > > charges much higher brokerage fees to bring a package into Canada > > compared to the USPS. > > > > Thank you. > > Steven, > > Where are you in Canada? I am in Victoria. -- Steven Kurylo _

comparisons

Hello, I believe that we are targeting the Freerunner to eventually be an end consumer smart phone. Many end consumers are likely to want to compare the Freerunner to its competitors, e.g., Apple iPhone and HTC Touch. Perhaps it would be good to compare the Freerunner against popular alterna

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Crane, Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is nothing incredible about apple's electrical, software, or > mechanical engineering. IMHO.. > > The marketing/buzz machine is incredible though. > I presume that you have never worked on a team that has built a

Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

Yeah, I fully agree. It's not innuendo unless it's subtle :) Also, are we still are missing the video from Steve's kids about the FreeRunner, or have I just missed it? Cheers, Federico On 4/28/08, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, everyone, this type of content must stop right away

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

Actually, you left out a very important aspect to their success. It starts with an F, and ends in a word normally used to refer to men of a young age. I hear it's a trade secret. * Puts on fire retardent suit * Cheers, Federico On 4/28/08, hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 2

RE: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

Clever design != feat of engineering. Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 4:26 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was R

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Crane, Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Clever design != feat of engineering. > > Matt > again, unless you have "engineered" a "clever design" I don't think you have much credibility on this. Executing appealing products from an engineering perspective is inc

Re: 10 or more phones order

Haha, one of the bests laughs I've had on here! Although I'm pretty sure it violates PEP 346356 which clearly states that thou should not use exec and base64 :) Cheers, Federico On 4/28/08, Ilja O. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > So why's it not in Perl then, > > You could do all that in a si

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

On 28 Apr 2008, at 17:54, hank williams wrote: I have to say my unvoiced thoughts were the same as Ryan's. I was not at all clear why a call for the community to help figure marketing stuff out would be met by a request to take the discussion off list as though it was somehow inappropriate

Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

On 4/28/08, Erland Lewin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/4/28 Steven Kurylo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I would really like the option to use the USPS instead of UPS. UPS > > charges much higher brokerage fees to bring a package into Canada > > compared to the USPS. > > If OpenMoko, Inc. won't do

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

I was just hoping that if not a lot of phones get sold (mere thousands or tens of thousands) OpenMoko still makes enough money to keep going, and to design a sexy phone next time around, when there can be an optimized case design rather than a leftover one, and when the software is polished enough

RE: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

It would detract from the argument to not speak to the points, so I will not argue about experience. You look only for a way to minimize my argument. Your argument is similar to suggesting Nike has superior engineering because they have the coolest shoes. No doubt there is some engineering at

software of ne freerunner

Hi, is there a list of applications for the freerunner? I installed the qemu on my ubuntu and there is no email client and no QWERTZ on screen keyboard in the software package that comes with the MokoMakefile :( Best regards, Stefan ___ Openmoko co

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

> Your argument is similar to suggesting Nike has superior > engineering because they have the coolest shoes. > uhh... yes. The coolest shoes come from doing real *engineering*. Unless by cool you just mean pretty colors. An *incredible* amount of engineering goes into the creation of nike shoes.

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

On Monday 28 April 2008 17:40:38 Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:26:43 -0500 "Tim Shannon" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > babbled: > > But isn't it still limited by the bandwidth available from the micro SD > > card? Maybe I misunderstood that. > > > > Basically what I'm curious about

Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

All this talking about shipping made a lightbulb go off in my head. I'm not sure if this has already been considered, but would it be possible to distribute through Amazon.com? They seem to be very efficient about distributing things, and shipping costs have always been very reasonable(if not comp

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:12:32 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: > On Monday 28 April 2008 17:40:38 Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:26:43 -0500 "Tim Shannon" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > babbled: > > > But isn't it still limited by the bandwidth available from the micro SD > > >

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jens Fursund wrote: > > > > > > > Mikko Rauhala wrote: > > > > > > Really peeps, face it, seems that the sane way to do non-crappy video > on > > > the Freerunner is to get driver support for that Glamo mpeg-4 decoding >

RE: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

Very simply If at this point in the delivery of freerunner I have to answer every posting about the next product, then the current product will not ship and the next will not ship. So I'm trying to structure a public dialog on the future product, in the future. On the other hand, I could of cour

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

Thanks for the response and clarification, steve. -Ryan On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 7:35 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Very simply If at this point in the delivery of freerunner I have to > answer every posting about the next product, then > > the current product will not ship and the next

RE: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

Ya thanks Ian, Lowell is on travel and hopefully after he gets back we can figure out how to construct a viable dialogue on the issue. I think tapping his experience is very important. One day in a santa clara hotel Sean, will and I are sitting there and Will shows me these great YouTube Openmoko

RE: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

They are fiddling with the screen shots because they are not perfect. We are now having a debate about what to name the file. They think I should change the name of the product. They have no viable suggestions, of course. So, in these matters I step back. They have an opportunity. they have the

RE: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

thanks for explaining that to folks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stroller Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:01 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness) On 2

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