Re: Private data protection.

2008-06-01 Thread Ilja O.
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Esben Stien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Rahul Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> The "very" first thing a phone thief does is throw away the SIM. > > That's why, if a presence security code is not typed in every nth > hour, the phone starts transmitting secre

Re: Private data protection.

2008-06-01 Thread Ilja O.
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Esben Stien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Rahul Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> The "very" first thing a phone thief does is throw away the SIM. > > That's why, if a presence security code is not typed in every nth > hour, the phone starts transmitting secre

Re: Private data protection.

2008-06-01 Thread Esben Stien
"Rahul Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The "very" first thing a phone thief does is throw away the SIM. That's why, if a presence security code is not typed in every nth hour, the phone starts transmitting secretly its location over all available networks to your home system;). We need GN

Re: gsmd question

2008-06-01 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Saturday 31 May 2008 01:43:48 Bin Chen wrote: > Whats the new design? Send AT CMD one at a time and wait the OK or > ERROR for this command? Yes. A new commands will only be sent once we received a confirmation (whatsoever) from the modem -- with the exception of a sending a cancelling charac

Re: Private data protection.

2008-06-01 Thread Kim Alvefur
On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 10:55 +0300, Ilja O. wrote: > Also portable self-destruction hardware would be nice. echo overload > /sys/devices/blaha/battery signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Private data protection.

2008-06-01 Thread Philippe Guillebert
Ilja O. wrote: Who says that this password will be created by human? Program should generate it automatically, shows it to user, user writes (or prints) it and saves in piggy bank hoping he will not need it at all. This function will be used so rare that there is not point in creating rememberabl

Open Hardware

2008-06-01 Thread Lee Grime
Hello All, New subscriber, have been lurking for a long time. Since the idea of Openmoko is to be fully open source, why can we not have the same for hardware? My background is in hardware design, specifically FPGA's and ASIC's. The system on chip used by the NEO's could be designed as open sour

Re: Linux PDA with wifi?

2008-06-01 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Sunday 01 June 2008 00:39:00 Mike wrote: > If I wanted a PDA the runs linux and has wifi, and gets good battery > life, any suggestions? Sharp SL-6000 (watch out, there are models without any connectivity, one with wifi, and one with bluetooth _and_ wifi). :M: ___

Re: Private data protection.

2008-06-01 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am So 1. Juni 2008 schrieb Kim Alvefur: > On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 10:55 +0300, Ilja O. wrote: > > Also portable self-destruction hardware would be nice. > > echo overload > /sys/devices/blaha/battery > LOL :-) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. _

Re: gsmd question

2008-06-01 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Saturday 31 May 2008 04:49:04 Tick wrote: > Hi Mickey, > Though I was assigned to do other stuff for months, I think gsmd > will wait for responses. Yes, this is correct, you did a whole lot of good fixes to it. I was merely indicating the original approach. Sorry, if that was unclear. :M

Re: Private data protection.

2008-06-01 Thread Rahul Joshi
Good info there from wiki. So, if someone were THAT (9 days) serious about getting the data, he might as well re-flash the whole phone to avoid any trace-backs, destroy root-kits etc. I know I would do that. Which again brings us back to the same point, as the thread says... of DATA protection and

Re: Private data protection.

2008-06-01 Thread Ilja O.
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Philippe Guillebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ilja O. wrote: >> >> Who says that this password will be created by human? Program should >> generate it automatically, shows it to user, user writes (or prints) >> it and saves in piggy bank hoping he will not need it

Re: Open Hardware

2008-06-01 Thread Chris Wright
Openmoko phones are as cheap as they are because they use commodity hardware, I'm given to understand. If you wanted a phone with open hardware, you'd probably be paying thousands for all the custom components. Plus there's testing and certification for various parts, which probably is also expensi

Re: Private data protection.

2008-06-01 Thread Esben Stien
"Ilja O." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Current phone number would be enough information. SMS to a friend > that gives this number to you... It's like being at a party and your lighter is gone. You need a homing device to pin point which pocket it's in;). Maybe another solution here is to have a

Re: Private data protection.

2008-06-01 Thread Ilja O.
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Esben Stien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Ilja O." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Current phone number would be enough information. SMS to a friend >> that gives this number to you... > > It's like being at a party and your lighter is gone. You need a homing > devi

atomic clock / radio-receiver chip

2008-06-01 Thread cdr
> And portable thermonuclear bomb. Just in case. (Well, phone is already > hand interface to several orbital atomic clocks, isn't it?) the atomic clock(s) arent orbiting the earth, to receive the one in Colorado (or Hawaii, 3330 in Canada..), youd need some chip like Si4735 http://www.silabs.co

Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip

2008-06-01 Thread Ilja O.
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:26 PM, cdr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> And portable thermonuclear bomb. Just in case. (Well, phone is already >> hand interface to several orbital atomic clocks, isn't it?) > > the atomic clock(s) arent orbiting the earth, > But why there are no clocks at the orbit? The

Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip

2008-06-01 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Ilja O. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:26 PM, cdr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> And portable thermonuclear bomb. Just in case. (Well, phone is already >>> hand interface to several orbital atomic clocks, isn't it?) >> >> the atomic clock(s) ar

RE: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip

2008-06-01 Thread Tim Newsom
I have one (or something equivalent) in my watch (Casio Pathfinder Wave Ceptor). It synchronizes the time of my watch every night at midnight. /shrug --Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cdr Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 11:26 AM To: commun

Re: Open Hardware

2008-06-01 Thread Lee Grime
Like i mentioned it is a question of scale, a SoC if you already have most of the IP cores will not be hard to design. (the processor could be the stumbling block however) have a look here for IP that is already available http://www.opencores.org/browse.cgi/by_category You are paying nothing for

Re: Open Hardware

2008-06-01 Thread Brandon Kruse
I am not sure how low-level you are talking, but driver wise, you can expose the API given from specific manufactures over a socket (like capi I believe) I guess some could be opened sourced, but when it comes to TI and the gsm radio, I dont see anyone that would allow for that. Again, it

Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip

2008-06-01 Thread polz
On Sunday 01 June 2008 21:33:15 Ilja O. wrote: > But why there are no clocks at the orbit? They could be useful enough. > E.g. if there are several of them each on predefined geostationary > orbit we could do lots of useful things with them! For example, we > could prove that general relativity in

Re: Open Hardware

2008-06-01 Thread Lee Grime
Also, the performance is lower because OGP are using an FPGA and not an ASIC, the same code can be used for an ASIC which will run much faster. On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 09:53 -0400, Chris Wright wrote: > Openmoko phones are as cheap as they are because they use commodity > hardware, I'm given to und

Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip

2008-06-01 Thread Philippe Guillebert
cdr wrote: the atomic clock(s) arent orbiting the earth, Hey, According to wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS ), every GPS satellite carries an atomic clock, providing every receiver on earth with really precise clock. The radio clock systems you describe are different and kinda u

Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip

2008-06-01 Thread AVee
On Sunday 01 June 2008 21:33, Ilja O. wrote: > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:26 PM, cdr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> And portable thermonuclear bomb. Just in case. (Well, phone is already > >> hand interface to several orbital atomic clocks, isn't it?) > > > > the atomic clock(s) arent orbiting the e

Re: Freerunner test

2008-06-01 Thread Lorn Potter
Andy Green wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | If someone knows what to do to get gps device going and can instruct me, | Qtopia 4.4 has a mapping demo for testing. It has both nmea and gpsd plugins. Here is a standalone shell scrip

new iphone

2008-06-01 Thread Christian Benke
Good evening! So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better resolution)? I'd love to have a open smartphone, but there are so many compromises with the openmoko project(hardware lacks, formfactor, unfinished soft

OpenMoko on Treo 650

2008-06-01 Thread Kyle Gordon
Hey folks, Following on from the info on http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2007/07/01/openmoko-on-a-treo-650/ Can anyone advise on whether gsmd now works on the 650? It would be great if OpenMoko was fully functional on the Treo 650 :-) Cheers Kyle ___ O

do not need _any_ interface features

2008-06-01 Thread Michael Kremliovsky
If I do not want to have any UI and I do not need voice, can I reliably send data with a reasonable speed? If so, what are the benchmark speeds? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailm

Re: Open Hardware

2008-06-01 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Chris Wright writes: >Openmoko phones are as cheap as they are because they use commodity >hardware, I'm given to understand. If you wanted a phone with open >hardware, you'd probably be paying thousands for all the custom >components. Plus there's testing and certification for various parts, >whic

Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip

2008-06-01 Thread Ilja O.
> Huh, I'm a little confused about whats being spoken about here, but > the GPS satellites are effectively giant orbiting atomic clocks, its > the basis of GPS. > > Hey, > > According to wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS ), every GPS > satellite carries an atomic clock, providing ever

RE: Our new Main page of wiki

2008-06-01 Thread steve
Thanks Brenda, I spent too many years teaching writing, so I had a small advantage. WRT the sentence below Join Openmoko development. I’ll go back and look at that. Generally, if it’s not necessary I cut it. I removed the Dev Board QT2410, because it was my impression that it was out of date

Join the "Embedded and Mobile Day" at Akademy 2008, August 12, Belgium

2008-06-01 Thread Bart Cerneels
Hello, In the time honored tradition of the KDE community we organize special side-events during our yearly World Summit. A big part of the mind share in the Open Source world the past year has gone to Mobile and Embedded platforms; where the technical and Freedom aspects seem to favor our preferr

Re: new iphone

2008-06-01 Thread Ilja O.
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Christian Benke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good evening! > > So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an > openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better > resolution)? Nope Well, first of all, iphone is not sold legally in

Re: do not need _any_ interface features

2008-06-01 Thread Brandon Kruse
I dont think its a hardware problem. If your talking about Internet over gsm, you could put the fastest computer with no GUI on a GPRS signal, and its still GPRS. -- Brandon Kruse On Jun 1, 2008, at 8:09 PM, "Michael Kremliovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If I do not want to have any

Re: new iphone

2008-06-01 Thread Brandon Kruse
Iphone's suck. -- Sent from my iPhone :) On Jun 1, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Christian Benke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Good evening! So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better resolution)? I'd love to have a

Re: new iphone

2008-06-01 Thread Michele Renda
Christian Benke wrote: Good evening! Good morning So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better resolution)? I'd love to have a open smartphone, but there are so many compromises with the openmoko project(h

Re: new iphone

2008-06-01 Thread thomasg
There's a nice german saying for that (also a film title): Und täglich grüßt das Murmeltier... On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Christian Benke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good evening! > > So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an > openmoko in case the technical specs

Re: new iphone

2008-06-01 Thread Robert Taylor
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Christian Benke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Good evening! So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better resolution)? If you are willing to exchange your freedom for a few bead

Re: OpenMoko on Treo 650

2008-06-01 Thread freac_check
Hi Kyle...I build Openmoko for the Treo 650 some times ago, but it is _very_ slow. GSM doesn't really work. There isn't much progress on porting Linux to Palm Treo 650. Maybe you can ask in the #hackndev channel on freenode. zefanja > Hey folks, > > Following on from the info on > http://blo

Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip

2008-06-01 Thread Arne Kristian Jansen
Federico Lorenzi skrev: On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Ilja O. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:26 PM, cdr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And portable thermonuclear bomb. Just in case. (Well, phone is already hand interface to several orbital atomic clocks, isn't it?)