Re: FreeRunner Quick Start User Guide

2008-06-27 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hey! This is great. Thanks. I'll check this out. Note that the quickstart guide is due for a serious update. Michael Shakthi Kannan wrote: Hi, I have prepared docbook format documentation for http://quickstart.openmoko.org/. The .xml and generated .html is available from: svn

RE: Let us impact the material world

2008-06-27 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
How do you not purchase a product from a man this eloquent? Wish I had $400. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Moss-Pultz Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 9:57 PM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Let

Re: Slashdot post but no web store?

2008-06-27 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 26.06.2008 um 18:14 schrieb arne anka: as truebox.co.uk announces having om in stock now (more or less), what about the german distributors subscribed to this list (dr schaller and c pulster at least): any news on freerunners received? Hi all, as far as I understood the Openmoko web

Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread Francesco Cat
As I have understood from past ML, the GTA03 will be the enhanced vers of FreeRunner. I think a lot of undecided people like me would like clarification about what the GTA03 might be. Very fast and simple questions: -do we have a rough estimation for when the GTA03 will be out? -the issue with

Re: humor

2008-06-27 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
http://xkcd.org/440/ describes a use case for the neo:) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-06-27, Francesco Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I have understood from past ML, the GTA03 will be the enhanced vers of FreeRunner. I think a lot of undecided people like me would like clarification about what the GTA03 might be. Very fast and simple questions: -do we have a rough

Re: Slashdot post but no web store?

2008-06-27 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 02:30 +0200, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: I connect my 1973 to my car's AUX input and it sounds just fine. The issue he has is with the headset, not the jack. Either way, his assessment is true - headset quality and audio issues make using the Freerunner as a DAP

Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread Francesco Cat
Lol, xmas is too far away :D I'm gonna buy this one I think... Hopefully the Glamo will allow for media to stream regularly, they would have removed there was no way to have a 25 FPS video I think. Plus, we have plenty of hackers ready to work ;) 2008/6/27 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL

Re: Slashdot post but no web store?

2008-06-27 Thread W. B. Kranendonk
--- On Fri, 6/27/08, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (...troll-hunting/killing...) To me he looks quite trollish. I think so too, but thanks for the in depth and clear reply! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Slashdot post but no web store?

2008-06-27 Thread arne anka
If you want to be amongst the first who receive them, we are already taking preorders: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner well, i preordered through group sale-trisoft. at least i hope so -- i sent the money to the guy organizing the group sale a while ago, he

Re: FreeRunner Quick Start User Guide

2008-06-27 Thread Brenda Wang
Hi guys : I would like to remind everyone, This page is Official One. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner Brenda BrendaWang wrote: Here is the getting start guide from wiki. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner Shakthi

Re: Slashdot post but no web store?

2008-06-27 Thread Andreas Micklei
Am Freitag, 27. Juni 2008 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber: No we HAVE an issue with decoupling caps in FR (simply too small and cheap). However it depends on type of headphones used (impedance), and it's absolutely fine for line-out usage, like connecting to the car, home stereo etc. Or to a

Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop

2008-06-27 Thread prishelec
The price is so good I can't beleive it! Just hope you will have some in august when I'll go back to Poland and will be able to buy it ;-) On 27 Jun 2008 11:04:00 +0200, Christoph Pulster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what about the german distributors subscribed to this list any news on freerunners

Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
Francesco Cat wrote: As I have understood from past ML, the GTA03 will be the enhanced vers of FreeRunner. I think a lot of undecided people like me would like clarification about what the GTA03 might be. Very fast and simple questions: -do we have a rough estimation for when the GTA03 will

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OLSRD

2008-06-27 Thread Evgeny Ginzburg
Robert Schuster wrote: Hi, you know we already have B.A.T.M.A.N in OpenEmbedded but now I gave good old OLSRD a try too. I added a recipe for the latest release 0.5.5 and tested it on the device. It is working nicely along with the ar6000 being in ad-hoc mode (the preferred mode for mesh

Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop

2008-06-27 Thread Marcel
Yay! Just ordered mine. :] -marcel Am Freitag 27 Juni 2008 11:04:00 schrieb Christoph Pulster: what about the german distributors subscribed to this list any news on freerunners received? We start sales 07/05/2008 (5.July) and accept orders now. Price 299 eur incl. VAT. A cheap price

Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-06-27, Francesco Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lol, xmas is too far away :D I'm gonna buy this one I think... Hopefully the Glamo will allow for media to stream regularly, they would have removed there was no way to have a 25 FPS video I think. Actually, video will go better without the

Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread arne anka
Some pros. with having the glamo: - HW scaling and 2D rotation (this is cool) - 2D acceleration (this is also cool) to be honest -- i never really could figure out what's the diff between 2d and 3d acceleration. so, what limitations does it impose?

Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread prishelec
No matter how good gta03 is going to be i'm buying 02 :-) Even christmas is to long to wait. On 6/27/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-06-27, Francesco Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lol, xmas is too far away :D I'm gonna buy this one I think... Hopefully the Glamo

AW: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop

2008-06-27 Thread Hartung, Christopher
Dito :-D -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Marcel Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Juni 2008 12:32 An: List for Openmoko community discussion Betreff: Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop Yay! Just ordered mine. :] -marcel Am Freitag 27 Juni

Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop

2008-06-27 Thread Christian Weßel
Me too! :-) Am Freitag, den 27.06.2008, 12:32 +0200 schrieb Marcel: Yay! Just ordered mine. :] -marcel Am Freitag 27 Juni 2008 11:04:00 schrieb Christoph Pulster: what about the german distributors subscribed to this list any news on freerunners received? We start sales

Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread Pawel Kowalak
On Jun 27, 2008, at 12:46 PM, arne anka wrote: Some pros. with having the glamo: - HW scaling and 2D rotation (this is cool) - 2D acceleration (this is also cool) to be honest -- i never really could figure out what's the diff between 2d and 3d acceleration. so, what limitations does

Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop

2008-06-27 Thread Michael Dreher
Christian Weßel schrieb: Me too! :-) Am Freitag, den 27.06.2008, 12:32 +0200 schrieb Marcel: Yay! Just ordered mine. :] -marcel Am Freitag 27 Juni 2008 11:04:00 schrieb Christoph Pulster: what about the german distributors subscribed to this list any news on freerunners

Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread Lucas Bonnet
Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I encourage you to get involved today. We need your help. Waiting for GTA03 is a possibility of course, but keep in mind how long it took us to go from 01 to 02. Sure, how can we help? Regards, -- Lucas pgpVRftrOGaxQ.pgp Description: PGP

Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread Mikko Rauhala
On pe, 2008-06-27 at 13:56 +0200, Lucas Bonnet wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I encourage you to get involved today. We need your help. Waiting for GTA03 is a possibility of course, but keep in mind how long it took us to go from 01 to 02. Sure, how can we help? If I

Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread Adilson Oliveira
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen escreveu: - new case (might include a holder for a plastic stylus) Something not resembling a giant keychain holder would be great ;) []s Adilson. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)

Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 15:09 +0300, Mikko Rauhala wrote: On pe, 2008-06-27 at 13:56 +0200, Lucas Bonnet wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I encourage you to get involved today. We need your help. Waiting for GTA03 is a possibility of course, but keep in mind how long it

Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread arne anka
- new case (might include a holder for a plastic stylus) i second that, but it was already mentioned several times. Something not resembling a giant keychain holder would be great ;) you don't know my keychain ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing

freerunner in Taiwan

2008-06-27 Thread xming
Hi all, I will be in Taiwan during July and I would like to pick up a freerunner there. Does anyone knows where to buy? Or can I go by the FIC/OM office and get from the source :) TIA xming ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread Brian C
Lucas Bonnet wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I encourage you to get involved today. We need your help. Waiting for GTA03 is a possibility of course, but keep in mind how long it took us to go from 01 to 02. Sure, how can we help? Well, from the looks of the

Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop

2008-06-27 Thread kelvan
Ordered two :D Thanks for the great price. Christoph Pulster schrieb: what about the german distributors subscribed to this list any news on freerunners received? We start sales 07/05/2008 (5.July) and accept orders now. Price 299 eur incl. VAT. A cheap price means more owners.

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OLSRD

2008-06-27 Thread Robert Schuster
Hi. Evgeny Ginzburg schrieb: Nice enough! I really like mesh networking protocols work on Neos. Maybe I'll try to run Netsukuku. OK first I have to buy one. We do not have netsukuku recipes in OE yet. But that could be fixed quickly if it is easy to build. Volunteering to provide a recipe?

Re: Heller versus DC

2008-06-27 Thread Jonathon Suggs
Which would give new meaning to the term killer feature and I would be first in line to buy one (after I passed the screening process). -Original Message- From: George Brooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org To:

Re: Heller versus DC

2008-06-27 Thread Joseph Reeves
Whatever next? ReiserFS? (Apologies for succumbing to this OT fest) 2008/6/27 Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Which would give new meaning to the term killer feature and I would be first in line to buy one (after I passed the screening process). -Original Message- From: George

Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Marcus Bauer
Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? Actually many companies have expressed their interest in a GTK based platform as it is perceived as more future proof than some kind of exotic software stack with a very small developer base. Lots of

Re: Let us impact the material world

2008-06-27 Thread xiangfu
maybe a lot of people don't understand the OPENMOKO(personal think). they just think it's a free mobile, a open source project like others. i will Translate this mail to Chinese. let them know what the NEO be. (i can't write article like this : ) Wolfgang talked to me about john meada.

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? First of all, I'd be interrested in getting things to build on an iMac G5. After that, we'll see where it goes. I'm not against tha idea, although

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread cedric cellier
Im not sure I understand anything about OpenMoko software plans. So I will reply your question with another, probably dumb one : Is anyone planning to try maemo on the freerunner ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re:Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
I for one definitely prefer GTK: as a toolkit I know and like it (in fairness I haven't developed for qt -- I have GTK and especially GTKmm), but in general I find I prefer the look of GTK-based apps better). I also felt the direction the phone was moving up until the ASU was looking very good

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread jluis
Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? ... Thus are there developers/companies on the list interested in maintaining GTK on the openmoko phones and starting a community initiative? Pretty much 90% is already there! I will try to be there

Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop

2008-06-27 Thread Diego Fdez.
Ordered mine!!! El vie, 27-06-2008 a las 11:04 +0200, Christoph Pulster escribió: what about the german distributors subscribed to this list any news on freerunners received? We start sales 07/05/2008 (5.July) and accept orders now. Price 299 eur incl. VAT. A cheap price means more

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread arne anka
Is anyone planning to try maemo on the freerunner ? my question, too. and what about ubuntu mobile? does anybody know whether the plan to test it on om? at least it's the first open phone in the wild -- should be a given development platform for them ...

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Francesco Cat
I must have missed something... Can you post some links to explain what are the future plans for the Software Stack? Will GTK not be present any more? 2008/6/27 Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I for one definitely prefer GTK: as a toolkit I know and like it (in fairness I haven't developed for

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread arne anka
although I'd have to learn to program TK (but learning a new plaform seems to be my forte lately...) not sure, if you confuse something: gtk!=tk gtk is a c based toolkit used by gnome and gimp, tk ist a gui toolkit on top of tcl. If all else fails, I'll get an older PC off of eBay (or

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread jluis
hello crist, First of all, I'd be interrested in getting things to build on an iMac G5. After that, we'll see where it goes. I'm not against tha idea, although I'd have to learn to program TK (but learning a new plaform seems to be my forte lately...) I have my Santa Rosa iMac building

Re: humor

2008-06-27 Thread Hans L
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:49 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://xkcd.org/440/ describes a use case for the neo:) Is it possible to use the WiFi in the FreeRunner as an access point? -Hans ___ Openmoko community mailing

No WLAN AP functionality

2008-06-27 Thread Mikko Rauhala
On pe, 2008-06-27 at 10:47 -0500, Hans L wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:49 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to use the WiFi in the FreeRunner as an access point? Sadly no, as it's a hardmac chip and the proprietary firmware lacks this feature. You should

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread cedric cellier
-[ Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 05:27:52PM +0200, Francesco Cat ] I must have missed something... Can you post some links to explain what are the future plans for the Software Stack? Will GTK not be present any more? IIRC GTK is still present and always will be. But there are no more plans to

Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop

2008-06-27 Thread Bumbl
Christoph Pulster schrieb: what about the german distributors subscribed to this list any news on freerunners received? We start sales 07/05/2008 (5.July) and accept orders now. Price 299 eur incl. VAT. A cheap price means more owners. That's what the community needs. Christoph

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 17:27 +0200, Francesco Cat wrote: I must have missed something... Can you post some links to explain what are the future plans for the Software Stack? Will GTK not be present any more? Basically Openmoko has stopped the development of the GTK stack in order to start a new

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have my Santa Rosa iMac building package images over an usb storage using ubuntu mokomakefile; You don't have any need to invest in other hardware That's an Intel Mac, not a G5 one... Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:30 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christ wrote: although I'd have to learn to program TK (but learning a new plaform seems to be my forte lately...) not sure, if you confuse something: gtk!=tk gtk is a c based toolkit used by gnome and gimp, tk ist a gui

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Joseph Reeves
Which is why I wondered what happended to the previous plans to provide a complete mobility software set. But perhaps the aim of OpenMoko has always been to release a phone, and that I daydreamed the software stack? :-/ I wondered the exact same thing. From the front page of the wiki:

Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop

2008-06-27 Thread e009052
I wanted to order mine too, but it looks as if the 299 eur does not include the bag and headset as forother shops (trisoft, handheld linux). And I thought that were gifts from openmoko. Do I really have to order them separately? And which price? Ed. 2008/6/27 Bumbl [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop

2008-06-27 Thread Bumbl
Freerunner 299€ Headset 9€ Bag 19€ summa summarum 237€ Cheaper than trisoft (which doesn't ship the bag and the headset at all) and golden delicious which offer it for 350€ If one does not need it noone is forced to buy it e009052 schrieb: I wanted to order mine too, but it looks as if the 299

Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop

2008-06-27 Thread Martin Šenkeřík
You have to order them separately when buying from pulster. They are gift only when you order 10-pack from openmoko shop. What price? Have you tried www.pulster.de? ;-) ohin On 6/27/08, e009052 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to order mine too, but it looks as if the 299 eur does not include

Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop

2008-06-27 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 18:11 +0200, Bumbl wrote: Freerunner 299€ Headset 9€ Bag 19€ summa summarum 237€ Cheaper than trisoft (which doesn't ship the bag and the headset at all) and golden delicious which offer it for 350€ If one does not need it noone is forced to buy it As discussed, the

RE: No WLAN AP functionality

2008-06-27 Thread Crane, Matthew
But if you can plug a usb wifi stick which the kernel does support AP mode you could then use the internal wifi as the uplink. Be subversive, provide free wifi at airports! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mikko Rauhala Sent: Friday,

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Joachim Steiger
Marcus Bauer wrote: Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? would be nice. e.g. take the last gtk-based ui apps, rip out all libgsmd and neod dependencies and start communicating with the new middleware from FSO. this would basically solve all

Re: Community Initiative GTK. X11 on ASU?

2008-06-27 Thread Stroller
On 27 Jun 2008, at 16:56, Marcus Bauer wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 17:27 +0200, Francesco Cat wrote: I must have missed something... Can you post some links to explain what are the future plans for the Software Stack? Will GTK not be present any more? Basically Openmoko has stopped the

Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop

2008-06-27 Thread Adilson Oliveira
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Šenkeřík escreveu: What price? Have you tried www.pulster.de? ;-) I went there straight but figured out they only accept wire transfer which is a no-no for me. []s Adilson. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Jisakiel
You forget the biggest: Nokia (sells as many phones a day as iphones yet sold). Rest are just startups so far, or non-mobile-phone-related... And Nokia looks like interested in QTopia (as they bought Trolltech!) ;) Firefox (xulrunner, as the GUI is not appropiate) can be replaced by khtml, or

Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop

2008-06-27 Thread Mike Baroukh
with bag and headphones Where do you saw a bag ? Is there any options ? I didn't see where ... I also ordered mine but without the debug board I did not found ... thanks. Mike Bumbl a écrit : Christoph Pulster schrieb: what about the german distributors subscribed to this list any

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Jisakiel
IIRC ubuntu mobile was only x86 based, and addressed to bigger devices than a phone (such as the Mobile Internet Devices - closer to n810 or even to asus EEE than to a phone). What I'd really love is to see android software stack running on the moko. Still not possible as android is not

Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop

2008-06-27 Thread Christian Weßel
Just scroll down at http://www.pulster.de/index.htm?openmoko.htm Am Freitag, den 27.06.2008, 18:00 +0200 schrieb Mike Baroukh: with bag and headphones Where do you saw a bag ? Is there any options ? I didn't see where ... I also ordered mine but without the debug board I did not found

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Steven Le Roux
2008/6/27 Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? Actually many companies have expressed their interest in a GTK based platform as it is perceived as more future proof than some kind of exotic software stack

Re: Community Initiative GTK. X11 on ASU?

2008-06-27 Thread Markus Schlichting
Am Freitag, 27. Juni 2008 19:02:04 schrieb Stroller: Am I right in understanding that the earlier software stack wrote GTK to the framebuffer, whereas the ASU required the incorporation of an X11 server to the image? No, the Gtk based (focused?) stack used X11 as well, using Kdrive as

rationale for ASU (and change from GTK to Qt)

2008-06-27 Thread Ron K. Jeffries
Can someone explain the rationale for the decision to switch from the original GTK based OpenMoko to QT based version known as April Software Update (ASU)? As an observer, it's my impression that ASU represents a significant architectural change that somehow, Wham! Bang! just happened.

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Mike Doody
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 17:27 +0200, Francesco Cat wrote: I must have missed something... Can you post some links to explain what are the future plans for the Software Stack? Will GTK not be present any more? Basically

Re: rationale for ASU (and change from GTK to Qt)

2008-06-27 Thread Dave O'Connor
This has been done to death on the mailing list already. The archives lists it. Can we move on now please? On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Ron K. Jeffries wrote: Can someone explain the rationale for the decision to switch from the original GTK based OpenMoko to QT based version known as April

Re: rationale for ASU (and change from GTK to Qt)

2008-06-27 Thread Kevin Dean
http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/openmoko-software-update On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone explain the rationale for the decision to switch from the original GTK based OpenMoko to QT based version known as April

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Lorn Potter
Marcus Bauer wrote: Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? Actually many companies have expressed their interest in a GTK based platform as it is perceived as more future proof than some kind of exotic software stack with a very small

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Lorn Potter
Jisakiel wrote: You forget the biggest: Nokia (sells as many phones a day as iphones yet sold). 14 Nokia phones are made each second. Rest are just startups so far, or non-mobile-phone-related... And Nokia looks like interested in QTopia (as they bought Trolltech!) ;) Firefox

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Shawn Rutledge
So just to be clear, FSO stands for FreeSmartphone.Org? And that stuff is working so well that it can replace gsmd and neod already? On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcus Bauer wrote: Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Tilman Baumann
Mike Doody wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 17:27 +0200, Francesco Cat wrote: I must have missed something... Can you post some links to explain what are the future plans for the Software Stack? Will GTK not be present any

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Tilman Baumann
Joachim Steiger wrote: Marcus Bauer wrote: Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? would be nice. e.g. take the last gtk-based ui apps, rip out all libgsmd and neod dependencies and start communicating with the new middleware from FSO. My

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Arthur Britto
On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 16:49 +0200, Marcus Bauer wrote: I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? Part of what you want need is distribution support. You might find it amusing to see how crazy fast GPE on Gentoo, a meta Linux distribution, can be ported to a

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 04:13 +1000, Lorn Potter wrote: Marcus Bauer wrote: Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? Actually many companies have expressed their interest in a GTK based platform as it is perceived as more future proof

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Lorn Potter
Marcus Bauer wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 04:13 +1000, Lorn Potter wrote: Marcus Bauer wrote: Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? Actually many companies have expressed their interest in a GTK based platform as it is perceived as more

Re: humor

2008-06-27 Thread Atilla Filiz
Linux kernel 2.6.x series have the AP ability AFAIK. So it should just take a little coding to achieve this(maybe just a little shell script). If we want secure access like WPA flavours, then we will need some porting. On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun

Re: humor

2008-06-27 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-06-27, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:49 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://xkcd.org/440/ describes a use case for the neo:) Is it possible to use the WiFi in the FreeRunner as an access point? I think the WiFi chip does not

Re: Let us impact the material world

2008-06-27 Thread William Lai
On Jun 27, 2008, at 10:57 PM, xiangfu wrote: I feel the NEO is more than a phone. the idear of neo is a artifact. the neo is a kind of life style. iPod is an artifact for music lovers. Music is part of their lifestyle. The Neo is part of the lifestyle of every engineer that I work with at

Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread Yuval Levy
arne anka wrote: to be honest -- i never really could figure out what's the diff between 2d and 3d acceleration. so, what limitations does it impose? in a nutshell: 3D acceleration builds quickly 3D models on the display. Displaying a 3D application on non-accelerated video is slow and CPU

Re: rationale for ASU (and change from GTK to Qt)

2008-06-27 Thread Stroller
On 27 Jun 2008, at 19:01, Ron K. Jeffries wrote: Can someone explain the rationale for the decision to switch from the original GTK based OpenMoko to QT based version known as April Software Update (ASU)? Rasterman is the rationale, as far as I can make out. Stroller.

Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 17:00 -0400, Yuval Levy wrote: my personal interest for the OpenMoko is as a device to display Virtual Reality (VR). That's a 3D application where a picture is mapped on a sphere or cube and rotated by the user. 3D-accelerated displays have a much higher frame per

Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread Hans L
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Yuval Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my personal interest for the OpenMoko is as a device to display Virtual Reality (VR). That's a 3D application where a picture is mapped on a sphere or cube and rotated by the user. 3D-accelerated displays have a much higher

Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread Hans L
That would be pretty cool to use the FreeRunner as a window to a 360 scene like this. Hold the phone in front of you and spin around: the accelerometers could detect movement, and adjust the view as you rotate. Angle it up or down, and the view would again correspond. Hans Hehe, I just

Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread Yuval Levy
Hans L wrote: Hehe, I just had another idea related to this. You could use this 360 window behavior to make an interactive Where's Waldo http://www.photopla.net/070618assnat/ - select Flash from the help, and click around =8^D Hans L wrote: That would be pretty cool to use the FreeRunner

Re: Let us impact the material world

2008-06-27 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-06-27, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Whenever I talk publicly about Openmoko, or so it seems, the following question is asked: How can you compete again the giants of this industry? For most of us, I'd like to think, the answer is obvious. Instead of answering, I

Re: Let us impact the material world

2008-06-27 Thread Nelson Castillo
I am in Columbia. Drinking local coffee (yes Paola your coffee is thebest in the world) and thinking with the early morning clarity only those blessed with jag-lag can understand. Sean, I'm _really_ glad you enjoyed our Colombian Coffee, our food, and I hope you can keep in touch with the

Re: Let us impact the material world

2008-06-27 Thread kenneth marken
On Saturday 28 June 2008 00:40:44 Nelson Castillo wrote: I am in Columbia. Drinking local coffee (yes Paola your coffee is thebest in the world) and thinking with the early morning clarity only those blessed with jag-lag can understand. Sean, I'm _really_ glad you enjoyed our Colombian

7 Reasons Why the New iPhone 3G Sucks

2008-06-27 Thread Breakable
http://www.retrevo.com/content/special-reports/2008/06/7-reasons-why-new-iphone-3g-sucks Lets see where we beet it! ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Let us impact the material world

2008-06-27 Thread Paul Wouters
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Nelson Castillo wrote: I think encrypted messages are crucial for freedom. I also think most people don't know how easy it is for others to see what they send through the networks. I cannot wait to see those Encrypted messages traveling free through _their_ networks to

Re: No WLAN AP functionality

2008-06-27 Thread Rod Whitby
Crane, Matthew wrote: But if you can plug a usb wifi stick which the kernel does support AP mode you could then use the internal wifi as the uplink. I'm finding it difficult to source a cheap usb wifi stick that Linux supports in AP mode. Do you have an example of one that you know works in

Re: freerunner in Taiwan

2008-06-27 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
xming wrote: Hi all, I will be in Taiwan during July and I would like to pick up a freerunner there. Does anyone knows where to buy? Or can I go by the FIC/OM office and get from the source :) Should be possible. But I'm out of the country so I don't know the if we have any left. Ask

Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 6/27/08 Mikko Rauhala wrote: On pe, 2008-06-27 at 13:56 +0200, Lucas Bonnet wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I encourage you to get involved today. We need your help. Waiting for GTA03 is a possibility of course, but keep in mind how long it took us to go

Re: rationale for ASU (and change from GTK to Qt)

2008-06-27 Thread Esben Stien
Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the rationale for the decision to switch from the original GTK based OpenMoko There will be a fork here at one point. There's a good bunch of us who wants a standard GTK+ environment as the main guis' for the phone. There's even some that don't want

Re: rationale for ASU (and change from GTK to Qt)

2008-06-27 Thread Joachim Steiger
Esben Stien wrote: Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the rationale for the decision to switch from the original GTK based OpenMoko its not really switching from gtk to something. gtk is still included and supported. there is 'just' no app which uses it in some of the images by

Re: rationale for ASU (and change from GTK to Qt)

2008-06-27 Thread Jisakiel
Whatever the environment is, IMHO it should be coherent over all. Obviously the ideal solution would be indistinguishable QT or GTK apps, somehow like the gtk-qt theme acts in kde to hide the differences from qt apps to gtk. However file selectors, for instance, keep being different, spoiling

Re: rationale for ASU (and change from GTK to Qt)

2008-06-27 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:11:06 +0100 Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On 27 Jun 2008, at 19:01, Ron K. Jeffries wrote: Can someone explain the rationale for the decision to switch from the original GTK based OpenMoko to QT based version known as April Software Update (ASU)?

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