Re: RDS/RBDS FM receiver (external) for traffic conditions

2007-11-18 Thread Doug Sutherland
Josh, I have the USB FM radio stick. A USB audio device does appear when it's plugged in. However, there is no audio until the FM radio app is run. This does SPI communication with the SI4701 to init and change its settings. They claim it uses standard USBaudio for the sound and that they use

Re: RDS/RBDS FM receiver (external) for traffic conditions

2007-11-18 Thread Doug Sutherland
A USB audio device does appear when it's plugged in. However, there is no audio until the FM radio app is run. This does SPI communication with the SI4701 to init and change its settings. Yikes that was a poor description. Let me try that again. There is a micrcontroller onboard the USB FM

Re: RDS/RBDS FM receiver (external) for traffic conditions

2007-11-18 Thread Doug Sutherland
Josh wrote: I have always thought of HID as using an external device that then communicates to the computer, this is using a virtual app on the computer to control an external device - I don't disagree that it is Human Interface. Aside from keyboards and mice, this idea is exactly what

Re: RDS/RBDS FM receiver (external) for traffic conditions

2007-11-18 Thread Doug Sutherland
Josh wrote: One of the apparent weaknesses of the Si USB dongles (from my armchair research) is the antenna connection - it might be nice to have a mini SMA or something (with the standard FM resistance -- 75 Ohms?) Yeah the USB FM Radio stick has a wire sticking out, that is the antenna.

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-18 Thread Doug Sutherland
The idea is that cellphone manufacturers will be able to use the standard, open (and Linux-based) Android platform for free, to power their future cellphones (the first ones will be out in the second half of next year). And, as you might imagine, the new Google-provided mobile OS will have

Re: Community update: GSM firmware and GPS driver

2007-11-14 Thread Doug Sutherland
Shachar Shemesh The way I figured it out, the GSM module will always be closed. This is not due to the hardware specs being unknown, but due to the fact that the law requires a transmitter to be approved by the FCC, and it is impossible to get an approval for a transmitter that allows anyone

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-14 Thread Doug Sutherland
Cameron wrote Personally.. I think people should stop commenting snip If you don't like a comment, there is a delete key. -- Doug ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-13 Thread Doug Sutherland
Raphaƫl Jacquot wrote: it's *very* understandable. it's called the NIH syndrome... We are talking about spectrum allocation here. The 900Mhz band was already allocated in North America. You can buy 900Mhz cordless phones and wireless speakers. 915Mhz is in the ISM band (industrial, scientific,

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-13 Thread Doug Sutherland
I'm talking about the previous tech, such as iden (nextel if I'm not mistaken) whatever qualcomm's proprietary tech was called. Motorola invented IDEN. They have been doing telecom since 1928, so you can't really blame them for inventing stuff hehe. In Canada, Telus Mobility also uses IDEN.

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-13 Thread Doug Sutherland
Yeah it seems like this Android is for phone companies, or that's google's current spaghetti on the wall idea. Even if it sticks, if they're just trying to make it some standard for companies, what will that buy the techie user? Nada. I'm finding it hard to motivate myself to even look at the

Re: FM radio reception on neo/openmoko and some other questions

2007-11-11 Thread Doug Sutherland
Georg wrote: no only in terms of speakerphone, also the navigational software (as far as there'll be one) may be connected through it.. There are a lot of possible ways to use that extension and I personally think that it's a very useful additional feature . Speaking of navigation, this is

Re: FM radio reception on neo/openmoko and some other questions

2007-11-10 Thread Doug Sutherland
Georg wrote: no only in terms of speakerphone, also the navigational software (as far as there'll be one) may be connected through it.. There are a lot of possible ways to use that extension and I personally think that it's a very useful additional feature . The supplier where I usually

Re: Moved page for those interested in second hand Neos

2007-11-10 Thread Doug Sutherland
For some idea on where 850 might be used, this Fido (Canada) USA roaming map shows 850 in a lighter color http://www.fido.ca/portal/en/packages/unitedstates.shtml And Fido (Canada) states this about 850 http://www.fido.ca/portal/en/support/coverage.shtml#rogers_network4 This map shows ATT

Re: Moved page for those interested in second hand Neos

2007-11-10 Thread Doug Sutherland
Sorry one of those links was wrong, should have been http://skypejournal.com/blog/archives/2006/11/gsm_850_mhz_band_not_to_be_overlooked.php ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: FM radio reception on neo/openmoko and some other questions

2007-11-09 Thread Doug Sutherland
Silicon Labs SI4700 and SI4701 are entire FM tuners on a single chip, and they are tiny. I have their USB FM Radio and I use it every day on my PC, and I believe the same chip is in my Sony Ericsson phone. This is the one that uses the earphone wire as antenna, although it can be separate, as is

Re: FM radio reception on neo/openmoko and some other questions

2007-11-09 Thread Doug Sutherland
He is talking about receiver chips, like those used in SonyEricsson/Nokia cellphones, to provide the phone owner with FM radio reception. Not to transmit say, music, to a radio. Well I mentioned both, and they are separate chips. There is plain FM, FM with RDS/RBDS, AM/FM and also FM

Re: FM radio reception on neo/openmoko and some other questions

2007-11-09 Thread Doug Sutherland
Georg, The amazing thing about these Silicon Labs parts is that they require almost no external components. For example the SI470x FM tuners require a crystal and regulator, that is all, they can use headphone cable as antenna (as is done in most phones now), and they have stereo analog output

Re: FM radio reception on neo/openmoko and some other questions

2007-11-09 Thread Doug Sutherland
There is an interesting speaker phone codec made by cirrus logic http://www.cirrus.com/en/products/pro/detail/P1006.html They are in stock at digikey -- Doug___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread Doug Sutherland
Alan wrote: Adding gps to the iPhone is likely to be a minor Bluetooth driver project. But you don't have source, so this minor project becomes impossible. The only way that is going to happen is if/when Apple integrates such driver support into the device. --

Re: highly offtopic but oh so fun :D

2007-11-08 Thread Doug Sutherland
More phunnies http://www.clipstr.com/videos/ConanIPhoneCommercialItDoesEverything/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread Doug Sutherland
I forgot to mention, with the modules I have looked at and also worked with, you send a command over the serial port to switch bands. That is all. Regarding the board design dilemma, I suppose that means the antenna as is probably part of the pcb board is not tuned to be quad band. It must be

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread Doug Sutherland
You should not have to switch firmware for the different bands. That would be insanity. A quad band module should be able to use one image for everything. That apparently isn't the case at the moment, but it should be, and hopefully they are working towards that end. Not sure what the deal is with

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-07 Thread Doug Sutherland
http://www.proficio.ca/ Not really true... Europe have GSM 900/1800... They have two frequencies for different reasons. 1800 was added due to congestion on 900. In North America 850Mhz is longer distance due to higher output power. Read specs on cellular modules (hardware) and you will see

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-07 Thread Doug Sutherland
The 850 Mhz capability of the radio is disabled. Article quote: If you're in a major metropolitan area, you probably won't need the 850 MHz band, but if you travel to secondary areas regularly, you will find the extra coverage of the 850 MHz band to be valuable. Looking into the future, it is

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-07 Thread Doug Sutherland
Edwin Lock wrote: North America(and Canada) apparently uses 850/1800 and the rest of the world uses 900/1900. No, North America uses 850/1900 and most of the rest of the world uses 900/1800, but there are MANY MANY countries that use 1900 and more than just North America uses 850. And Canada

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-07 Thread Doug Sutherland
850Mhz is odd because north america is big. Output power 2 watt versus 1 watt for 1900 Mhz. To cover rural areas, less towers required for 850Mhz. There will be more not less 850 support in the future. Europe is much more congested so can justify more towers with less output power on phones. I

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-07 Thread Doug Sutherland
Alright I stand corrected on one aspect of this, but 850Mhz (specficied power) is double the output power of 1900Mhz and is used extensively in rural areas. Any future version of Neo will need 850/1900 for North America. And as stated earlier, these countries also use 850Mhz: Antigua,

Re: google open phone platform

2007-11-05 Thread Doug Sutherland
Well so far it's a bunch of hot air. Let's see what this SDK looks like. Supposedly an early look within one week. I'm a bit skeptical on the whole thing for now. -- Doug ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-05 Thread Doug Sutherland
The big deal about 850Mhz vs 1900Mhz is that 850Mhz specification is higher power. Higher power means different, and probably more stringent, testing and certification requirements. Presumably that is why it's more than just a software/firmware issue requiring board design and component changes.

Re: google open phone platform

2007-11-05 Thread Doug Sutherland
Google the search engine company announces vapourware and that means FIC's time is come and gone? That doesn't make much sense. Did you see what the partners are saying? They say we are happy to be a part of this. This is the equivant of for example HP saying we are announcing that we will be

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-05 Thread Doug Sutherland
Mathew Davis: Who uses the 900 band does anyone know? Nobody in North America uses 900 or 1800. Originally all GSM phones were 900Mhz. The GSM specs were created in Europe. Due to congestion on the 900Mhz band most providers added support for 1800Mhz. North America was late in the GSM game

Re: Community Update

2007-11-01 Thread Doug Sutherland
Okay this is what confuses me regarding this GPS source code. I have worked with several GPS modules. I have written code to configure them and read and parse their output. Why you would need the vendor's code is beyond me. They provide the specs. The specs are all you need to write your own

Re: Community Update

2007-11-01 Thread Doug Sutherland
Karsten wrote: Some time ago, someone (I can not remember who it was) mentioned that the current GPS chip of the GTA01 does some calculations in software (means within the driver code), which is done by firmware in other GPS chips. Okay that makes some sense then what is being discussed, but

Re: Community Update

2007-11-01 Thread Doug Sutherland
selected insert to attach the image to the mms message the screen went white. That is bad firmware of some sort. Doug Sutherland Proficio Research http://www.proficio.ca/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http

Re: Community Update

2007-11-01 Thread Doug Sutherland
Gabriel wrote: The Global Locate device does a lot of GPS processing on the HOST CPU which is why it REALLY needs that driver to work. I am guessing, possibly wrongly, that this would be stuff like altitude and velocity calculations. When you look at every bit of a GPS spec there isn't a lot to

Re: Community Update

2007-11-01 Thread Doug Sutherland
Mikko wrote: 2) Yes, it can make sense not to have a bazillion CPUs on board from various perspectives. I evaluated no less than 25 different GPS modules some years ago and compared them in all important aspects. Every single one had a microcontroller onboard. I do not agree that it makes any

Re: Homebrew Open Phone

2007-10-29 Thread Doug Sutherland
. http://www.arm.com/products/physicalip/product_overview.html If you want to make your own silicon ...grab this source hehe http://www.opencores.org/projects.cgi/web/core_arm/overview Doug Sutherland Proficio Research http://www.proficio.ca

Re: Homebrew Open Phone

2007-10-28 Thread Doug Sutherland
and gerber files to produce pcb boards. Doug Sutherland Proficio Research http://www.proficio.ca/ Regarding CompuLab hardware does anyone know the word on openness of their hardware? i.e. are the modules they supply in binary form, or as code? the hardware looks fantastic and i've spent a while

Re: Using Openmoko in Japan

2007-10-26 Thread Doug Sutherland
Well WCDMA aka UMTS was made in Japan as NTT DoCoMo launched the first commerical WCDMA 3G mobile network in 1991. I dunno about protectionism, and there are many sides to this. The North American wireless infrastructure is advancing slowly due to its roots in old tech, and will probably be the

Re: Feature request -- SMS spam blocking?

2007-10-25 Thread Doug Sutherland
receive (+CMGR) messages in your address book, that could be effective in blocking spam messages, but afaik that has no impact on billing. How it is billed depends on your carrier, and which plan or messaging feature you have. Doug Sutherland Proficio Research http://www.proficio.ca

Re: Homebrew Open Phone

2007-10-19 Thread Doug Sutherland
, before getting too excited. Doug Sutherland Proficio Research http://www.proficio.ca/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Using Openmoko in Japan

2007-10-16 Thread Doug Sutherland
No you do not have GSM there. The 3G in Japan is UMTS. -- Doug ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: I'm new in this list

2007-10-12 Thread Doug Sutherland
I have not purchased a Neo yet but I bid on one and ebay and lost. Just wanted to say, I hope that the focus on making calls is top on the priority list. It seems a bit bizarre that there is another version in the works when you can't make calls on the first. It would make more sense to get the

Re: 3G status within the US?

2007-10-08 Thread Doug Sutherland
. Doug Sutherland Proficio Research http://www.proficio.ca/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: No Camera???

2007-10-06 Thread Doug Sutherland
I do tech support for phones and I assure that there are many people who don't care about cameras. I knpw because they say exactly that I don't need a camera. However, based on the number of mms messaging, and problems with this I see, they certainly are popular with a lot of people. Lack of

Re: New TOP SECRET OM device??

2007-10-05 Thread Doug Sutherland
Okay so I confer that GTA03 will use vi for user interface =8^) Then we can have vi versus emacs wars too hehe Doug Sutherland Proficio Research http://www.proficio.ca/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http

Re: emergency alarm for openmoko

2007-10-02 Thread Doug Sutherland
Better check the legalities of auto sending anything to emergency services. Due to instances of false alarms, this is not legal in many places, and/or can involve large fines. This is true even of home fire and security alarm systems. If you have false alarms and a system that reports to

Re: Screen shots of Qtopia on Neo and some thoughts

2007-09-19 Thread Doug Sutherland
My hope is that this marks the end of closed phones. Not a chance. The providers want custom firmware that leads you to their pay per use service, pay per item content, the recurring charge subscriptions, and the associated data charges. The relationship between providers and phone