Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Christopher Heiny
On Monday 12 February 2007 14:26, picked up the following transmission from Terrence Barr - Evangelist, Java Mobile & Embedded: > Absolutely. There have been several discussions on this, and there > are efforts underway to create appropriate projects. I believe there > will be Java ME as well as J

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Terrence Barr - Evangelist, Java Mobile & Embedded
Absolutely. There have been several discussions on this, and there are efforts underway to create appropriate projects. I believe there will be Java ME as well as Java SE ports. I personally will be involved in seeing the Java ME port along. Stay tuned. -- Terrence Martin Lefkowitz wrote: We ar

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Terrence Barr - Evangelist, Java Mobile & Embedded
Parallels is a virtualization environment. Once installed it gives you an black DOS screen in a OS X window, saying "Please insert boot disk". From there on it behaves like any PC so you can install any x86 OS you like. I have not yet tried to set up OE, but since you'll probably install Linux on

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Michael Dickens
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I'd like to check it out, and possibly write a recipe for setting up in this. Simplest: Setup the VM with Ubuntu 6.10; follow instructions on OpenMoko wiki. I don't think a special script will be very useful here since there isn't much (if anythin

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread michael
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Terrence Barr - Evangelist, Java Mobile & Embedded wrote: You can also use Parallels Desktop for OS X at www.parallels.com. Works like a charm for me. -- Terrence Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I'd like to check it out, and possibly write a recipe for setti

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread michael
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Ryan Kline wrote: I have looked at numerous websites and I am still very confused about what I need to write stuff for OpenMoko (Mostly UI). I use Mac OS X, and I don't have a whole lot of prior coding experience. I learn pretty quickly, though. Does anyone know of tuto

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Terrence Barr - Evangelist, Java Mobile & Embedded
Parallels is $79, sometimes they run offers at $49. Money well spent IMO. It runs very well and increases my productivity greatly because I can run multiple OSes quickly and reliably. I believe they will shortly release a tool to convert with VMware images. I assume VMware will be a good option

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Michael Dickens
Parallels isn't free, yes? The VMware fusion beta currently is ... of course, it's beta so its utility might not be that great; should be $99 once it's released (maybe beta testers can get a discount? I don't know). I actually use Parallels right now, though I need to try out the VMware b

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Terrence Barr - Evangelist, Java Mobile & Embedded
You can also use Parallels Desktop for OS X at www.parallels.com. Works like a charm for me. -- Terrence Michael Dickens wrote: VMWare does not support OS X. They have a beta for Intel-Mac OSX. Nothing for PPC Mac though. Expect a full release this summer, with all the great features of t

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Florent THIERY
> What is Python? A scripting language. Much like perl, or bash/sh/csh/tcsh scripts - or AppleScipt if you've done that. Or MATLAB. That's great ! I didn't know there was python involved in openmoko... What parts? The networking one? (twisted?) __

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Martin Lefkowitz
We are going to be able to use java too right? Marty > Hi Ryan, I understand where you're coming from. Right now the process > of getting up and running developing for the Neo1973 isn't > "straight-forward" - especially for a new coder. > > This is for a bunch of reasons, one of which is that th

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Michael Dickens
You didn't have to call me a noobjk (im not a fan of nerd speak). Get used to it ;) Thanks so much, that is really what I was looking for. By running Linux, I will be prepared when someone releases an OpenMoko programming suite, right? In theory, yes, by running Linux you'll be prepar

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Ryan Kline
You didn't have to call me a noobjk (im not a fan of nerd speak). Thanks so much, that is really what I was looking for. By running Linux, I will be prepared when someone releases an OpenMoko programming suite, right? -ryan On Feb 12, 2007, at 9:36 AM, Michael Dickens wrote: I have both

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Michael Dickens
I have both a PPC and an Intel-Mac, Do I just download the Linux VMWare? It doesn't seem to have support for Os X. You download a VMWare beta "fusion" for Intel-Mac: < http://www.vmware.com/products/beta/fusion/ > Then you download an Ubuntu ISO or a VMWare Ubuntu application: < http://www.ubu

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Ryan Kline
Woah! That's a lot of information. Let me try to peice it together: I have both a PPC and an Intel-Mac, Do I just download the Linux VMWare? It doesn't seem to have support for Os X. What is OE/BB? Are you saying i need to program in a Linux environment? Thanks, ryan On Feb 12, 2007, at 9:2

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Michael Dickens
VMWare does not support OS X. They have a beta for Intel-Mac OSX. Nothing for PPC Mac though. Expect a full release this summer, with all the great features of their other VM players. Can you be more specific about Ubuntu, what I am supposed to get exactly. Ubuntu is a Linux distribu

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Ryan Kline
VMWare does not support OS X. Can you be more specific about Ubuntu, what I am supposed to get exactly. I've heard of C++, what is the best way to get started? What is Python? For my mockups, should I just use the example pics from the press release? Thanks, ryan On Feb 12, 2007, at 8:5

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Michael Dickens
Ryan - Someone suggested getting VMWare & setting up a Ubuntu VM ... this is a -great- suggestion since you're running OSX, -if- you have an Intel-Mac. If you have a PPC-Mac, then this is not an option (AFAIK), and you'll need to either (1) install Linux on another hard drive / partition a

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
For programming, you'll need to start to get up and running with C++. That's a fairly daunting task, but if you want to do real programming for the Neo, you'll need to know how to program in C++, or possibly Python. With regards to themes - not sure how they'll be configured, though probably usin

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Andrew Turner
Hi Ryan, I understand where you're coming from. Right now the process of getting up and running developing for the Neo1973 isn't "straight-forward" - especially for a new coder. This is for a bunch of reasons, one of which is that the actual software isn't released yet, but will be in the near fu

Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Ryan Kline
I have looked at numerous websites and I am still very confused about what I need to write stuff for OpenMoko (Mostly UI). I use Mac OS X, and I don't have a whole lot of prior coding experience. I learn pretty quickly, though. Does anyone know of tutorials, etc. that will get me on the rig