Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting (off-topic)

2018-06-21 Thread Andrew Alston
Figured I'd follow this up btw, because I thought to myself - is that kinda time frame to process an application really that long - in the context of what AFRINIC says delays applications. According to what has been said in the past publicly - many applications are delayed because clients are s

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting (off-topic)

2018-06-21 Thread Saul Stein
William, Quite simply: we have a regional RIR and it should be efficient and serve the region. If we all went elsewhere, a) What would the purpose be of AFRINICs existence b) how would AFRINIC get its funding? What I don’t understand is why people want to run AFRINIC differently

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting (off-topic)

2018-06-21 Thread Saul Stein
William, Quite simply: we have a regional RIR and it should be efficient and serve the region. If we all went elsewhere, a) What would the purpose be of AFRINICs existence b) how would AFRINIC get its funding? What I don’t understand is why people want to run AFRINIC differently

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

2018-06-21 Thread Andrew Alston
Noah, If there was a way to transfer out right now - to be blunt - yes - with the current status quo I would advise those I represent to use it. And on this I speak only for myself - as these are my opinions. That stance may change, but first the board would need to make a lot of changes - fi

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

2018-06-21 Thread Noah
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:39 pm Andrew Alston, wrote: > Noah simple, > > > > I think a lot of the members > What is a lot because I know who always ask what out of over 1500 members anyways... who spend a lot of time questioning AFRINIC and have lost faith and who are > tired of paying inflated

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

2018-06-21 Thread Andrew Alston
Noah simple, I think a lot of the members who spend a lot of time questioning AFRINIC and have lost faith and who are tired of paying inflated fees for little benefit – would probably transfer out – which would leave less people asking difficult questions that it is patently obvious people don’

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

2018-06-21 Thread Andrew Alston
William, My only comment on this is as follows – when someone posts on the members list – they are posting as a member – if they represent multiple members – it could be any of those members. When someone posts on the community list – they have the choice in each post to represent themselves o

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

2018-06-21 Thread Noah
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:27 pm Andrew Alston, wrote: > Noah, > > > > Well – there seem to be individuals here who wish to imply that those that > question this organisation and wish to hold it to account are the problem – > read between the lines > Andrew OK but still am just curious how a bi-dire

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

2018-06-21 Thread Andrew Alston
Noah, Well – there seem to be individuals here who wish to imply that those that question this organisation and wish to hold it to account are the problem – read between the lines Andrew From: Noah Date: Thursday, 21 June 2018 at 22:21 To: Andrew Alston Cc: Dabu Sifiso , General Discussions

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

2018-06-21 Thread William Ametozion
Hi Andrew, Just a reminder. Yesterday, Janvier asked you the following question: “Please tell here if your statements here and questions engage yourself or your company?” You have not answered it yet and I am sure it is an oversight. Could you please provide us with the answer? It is a simple an

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

2018-06-21 Thread Noah
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 2:15 pm Andrew Alston, wrote: > Hey, > > > > If we can have a transfer policy that is bi-directional – a lot of these > issues would go away. The community in the past has refused to pass such – > for varying reasons – maybe it’s time to rethink this? > Andrew On this one, t

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting (off-topic)

2018-06-21 Thread Andrew Alston
Since we decided to talk budgets and finance – I was kinda bored and decided to run some numbers – if AFRINIC was a pure IP registry – what would it cost its members as compared to at the moment. These numbers are purely theoretical – except where I calculate in actual staff costs at current, n

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting (off-topic)

2018-06-21 Thread William Ametozion
Hi Saul, > As mentioned, some gave up and went to RIPE - they won't have kept their ticket numbers... Since there is a precedence that some South African ISPs are going to RIPE, why not encourage your friend Andrew Alston to follow their example and join RIPE and stop being disruptive in AfriNIC

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting (off-topic)

2018-06-21 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Saul, At 06:17 AM 21-06-2018, Saul Stein wrote: This should all be in your ticketing system. Any respectable ticketing system should be able to report on calls that have taken longer than 3 days to resolve. I could ask the South African ISPs to produce this list, however, and this is becoming

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting (off-topic)

2018-06-21 Thread Andrew Alston
I have to second this - In the past I have raised tickets - and no - I'm in the mood to go digging back through mountains of emails to find them - the ticket system should be able to find them - and had no responses for ages. I also point out that there was an explicit problem reported to the b

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting (off-topic)

2018-06-21 Thread Saul Stein
Dear SM, This should all be in your ticketing system. Any respectable ticketing system should be able to report on calls that have taken longer than 3 days to resolve. I could ask the South African ISPs to produce this list, however, and this is becoming the issue, what's the point? We, as a membe

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting (off-topic)

2018-06-21 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Saul, At 03:44 AM 21-06-2018, Saul Stein wrote: Every ISP that I have spoken to complains about the service levels to the point that one or two actually got space from RIPE. Can you please get me the ticket numbers, the dates of the complaints and the dates the complaints were resolved (if

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

2018-06-21 Thread Andrew Alston
Hey, If we can have a transfer policy that is bi-directional – a lot of these issues would go away. The community in the past has refused to pass such – for varying reasons – maybe it’s time to rethink this? Andrew From: Dabu Sifiso [mailto:dabu.sif...@yandex.com] Sent: 21 June 2018 14:09 To

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting (off-topic)

2018-06-21 Thread Graham Beneke
On 2018/06/21 12:44 PM, Saul Stein wrote: >> Is there any issue with the service level [1]? > Every ISP that I have spoken to complains about the service levels to the > point that one or two actually got space from RIPE. And if you're looking for a specific data point... We recently requested a

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

2018-06-21 Thread Dabu Sifiso
Mr Elitcha, 20.06.2018, 12:28, "Komi Elitcha" : > Ali, > > I am also for the right of every participant in this community not to be > muzzled but not to the detriment of the organisation. > > We already have a code of conduct for rpd, community and members list[1] that > resolves the issue of

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting (off-topic)

2018-06-21 Thread Saul Stein
>Is there any issue with the service level [1]? Every ISP that I have spoken to complains about the service levels to the point that one or two actually got space from RIPE. ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting (off-topic)

2018-06-21 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Andrew, At 11:25 PM 19-06-2018, Andrew Alston wrote: Operational excellence? Really – If you really need me to elaboratte on this – let me know – I'll happily paste the pa pages and pages of what members who are attempting to get space out of AFRINIC for very legitimate business needs are