Another Compact Gets Resurrected......

I just found ONE working Classic II after fearing I had to live with the two broken ones I own. It has a noisy but working 1.2Gig hard disk and 10MB of RAM plus a rare plug-in FPU card. The floppy drive didn't work. I started taking it down to change it out when I noticed the floppy's cable had

Re: CRT Discharge Tool

I'll trade you MY Mac Plus, already upgraded to 4 MB, for your 17" Flat-Panel iMac. Think of the joy and happiness you would have. I'll even throw in a SCSI hard drive. Greg On Mar 22, 2004, at 6:52 PM, Ian P. Nixon wrote: Hello. I need to upgrade my Mac Plus's Memory to 4 Megabytes. I wo

Re: Early systems from Apple: my 2?

Very good idea. I would be willing to contribute for sure. i have a decent sized collection of INITs, DAs etc. John On Mar 23, 2004, at 9:27 PM, Matt Jordan wrote: It would be a very interesting software list if we somehow make a list of program names and versions entered somewhere by all of

Re: Laser Printers and LocalTalk

on 3/23/04 6:33 PM, Dr.O.M.Betz wrote: >The LaserWriter II NTX is a rare bird in >that it uses 64-pin SIMMs, the same as the IIfx. Yes, I got some of the memory details wrong. LaserWriter, LaserWriter Plus, and IINT have no memory expansion options. IINTX uses the 64-pin SIMMs. IIf, IIg, and P

Plus Memory Upgrade

Hi. I have upgraded my Macintosh Plus's memory to 4 mb today. I have a problem. When I start up the computer, it remains on the RAM test screen (the ultra thin horizontal lines). The only way I can get it to start up is by holding down the mouse button (disk or no disk in the drive). I sta

Re: Early systems from Apple: my 2?

> It would be a very interesting software list if we somehow make a list > of program names and versions entered somewhere by all of us. > > Not that the list would mean anything more than the knowledge of the > programs exitstance and its use maybe. Considering my recent efforts to archive all o

SE/30 upgrade - hard drive section complete

Hi. Well, my first foray in eight years or more into the guts of a compact Mac has just finished. Simple upgrade - take out a half-height 20Mb drive, swap in a full height 1Gig. Ye gods, there are a lot of screws to undo. Four for the main case, three for what I presume is the PDS expansion sl

Re: Mac Collection

Yes they are all plugged in. But not all on at the same time. Though I do have them connected to 3 different breakers so it should be possible. I'll have to test how many I can have running at once. Louis On Mar 23, 2004, at 11:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/23/2004 1:03

Re: Early systems from Apple: my 2?

I stand corrected - as described, such a list would be of great value to many and a threat to no one. - Original Message - From: "Byron Q. Desnoyers Winmill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Compact Macs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:02 PM Subject: Re: Early systems from Ap

Re: Early systems from Apple: my 2?

On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 04:49:24PM -0800, Jennifer Worgan wrote: > The danger arises, as in gun registration, - anyone from government to > ill-meaning people who get a hold of the list can missuse it for witch hunts > and the like, knowing who has what. There is almost always a traitor who > mana

Re: Early systems from Apple: my 2¢

And if your in the US contact me off list. Louis If anyone in the UK wants an interesting CD, just ask. (This comment has, of course, no connection with the foregoing text. As if!) Stuart -- Compact Macs is sponsored by . Support Low End Mac

Re: Early systems from Apple: my 2?

The danger arises, as in gun registration, - anyone from government to ill-meaning people who get a hold of the list can missuse it for witch hunts and the like, knowing who has what. There is almost always a traitor who manages to get into any list no matter how good the security. But the inform

Re: Early systems from Apple: my 2?

Stuart Bell wrote: On 23 Mar 2004, at 22:21, Byron Q. Desnoyers Winmill wrote: It is quite possible that Apple does not have functional or accessible copies of a lot of their software. But we do! S! ;-) It would be a very interesting software list if we somehow make a list of program na

Re: Finding space for a collection...

Thank You and maybe some day I will do the online museum. When I get the time. It'll be a lot of work setting it up. Louis On Mar 23, 2004, at 10:08 AM, Stephen Taylor wrote: Greetings Everyone! Louis - i've really enjoyed looking at all the pix of your machines. Now all you need to do is ha

Re: Forcing 32-bit addressing ...

And I just got 3 from a Swap list member for about the same shipped. Dam am I pissed at Radio Shack they are charging like $10 over the amount that I can get them elsewhere. And I'm going to let them know about it. Louis On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 11:53:40PM -0500, Louis Labrie wrote: Just a coupl

Re: CD drivers for System 7.5.5

I'm using CD Sunrise on my SE30 with a Lacie 24X external and it works great. Louis On Mar 23, 2004, at 6:50 AM, Ian McCall wrote: Hi. I'm looking at add a CD drive to the SE/30. Will any old external SCSI CD-ROM do, or will I have to be more careful about drivers? I'm looking at a Toshiba X

Re: Early systems from Apple: my 2?

On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 10:55:06PM +, Stuart Bell wrote: > PS My archive of pre-System 6 only runs to 5.5Mb - remember, systems > were minute in those days. Tapes were much smaller back then too. Much larger than 5.5 MB, to be sure, but they would have had other stuff to backup too (such as

Re: Early systems from Apple: my 2?

On 23 Mar 2004, at 22:21, Byron Q. Desnoyers Winmill wrote: It is quite possible that Apple does not have functional or accessible copies of a lot of their software. PS My archive of pre-System 6 only runs to 5.5Mb - remember, systems were minute in those days. That's 13 floppies' worth of data -

Re: Early systems from Apple: my 2?

On 23 Mar 2004, at 22:21, Byron Q. Desnoyers Winmill wrote: It is quite possible that Apple does not have functional or accessible copies of a lot of their software. But we do! S! ;-) Stuart -- Compact Macs is sponsored by . Support Low End Mac

Re: Early systems from Appl e: my 2¢

On 23 Mar 2004, at 21:22, Byron Q. Desnoyers Winmill wrote: There is another thing which I was thinking: Apple may not have the old system software any more. Media decays or archives may be purged for newer stuff. SO why did they make others take it off-line? Sorry, they were just scared that p

Re: Early systems from Apple

On 23 Mar 2004, at 19:45, Eric Rasmussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 6.0.3: From the text file: "This software has been made available for customers who have 1MB of memory, or less." Apple then lists the Mac Plus and SE (among others). They don't list the 512Ke, but the "or less" clause is, no dou

Re: Early systems from Appl e: my 2¢

In a message dated 3/23/2004 4:22:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > There is another thing which I was thinking: Apple may not have > the old system software any more. Media decays or archives > may be > purged for newer stuff. Yeah, right... with the increasing value

Re: Early systems from Apple: my 2?

On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 04:34:28PM -0500, John-Robert La Porta wrote: > I'm sure after all their hard work back then they would have had them > backed up on tape, or even possible stored on CDs of the time for > archiving. While they would have maintained an archive, it is not necessarily intact.

Re: Laser Printers and LocalTalk

LaserWriter II (IINT, IINTX, IIf, IIg). Large and heavy, but tend to run forever. Memory expands with 30-pin SIMMs. IIf and IIg are Postscript Level 2. IIg has ethernet port. Toner is incredibly cheap (eBay). Thanks, Bryan - this was another one of these informative, concise posts of yours that I

Re: Early systems from Apple: my 2¢

On Mar 23, 2004, at 4:22 PM, Byron Q. Desnoyers Winmill wrote: On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 02:19:33PM -0500, Eric Rasmussen wrote: This is true. The availability of System 6 in multiple manifestations means that Apple can say that they support (in the sense that they still provide system software) Ma

Re: Early systems from Appl e: my 2¢

On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 02:19:33PM -0500, Eric Rasmussen wrote: > This is true. The availability of System 6 in multiple manifestations > means that Apple can say that they support (in the sense that they > still provide system software) Macintosh hardware back to 1986. There is another thing w

Re: NetBSD on LC 475

On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 07:30:10PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I imagine you could use the CC as a serial terminal and boot a kernel > built with the serial console option. Yeap, the Colour Classic is serving as a serial console. Given that the Apple IIe card is using the PDS slot and my

NetBSD on LC 475

Hello Byron, BQDW> Thank-you, this extension should address another problem which > I am facing (which is setting up an LC 475 with NetBSD without > access to a monitor). I imagine you could use the CC as a serial terminal and boot a kernel

Re: Early systems from Apple: my 2¢

At any rate, we should be happy with what Apple has given us. Very few companies are this generous. This is true. The availability of System 6 in multiple manifestations means that Apple can say that they support (in the sense that they still provide system software) Macintosh hardware back to

Re: Early systems from Apple: my 2¢

On 23 Mar 2004, at 16:10, Phil Hosie wrote: Hi all and Eric, Funny enough, I have been thinking about the same thing of late. To Stuart, and to all the very knowledgeable Mac compacters out there, why oh, why... is it so hard to get these earlier systems FREELY available?? For goodness

Re: Early systems from Appl e: my 2¢

On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 12:10:52AM +0800, Phil Hosie wrote: > Please, in simple language, WHY ARE THE EARLY SYSTEMS NOT AVAILABLE FROM > APPLEand why is someone almost persecuted if they do make available! The following is gathered from several sources which seem to argue that it is a lega

Re: Mac Collection

In a message dated 3/23/2004 11:31:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > One thing I have always found funny: if you had typed this email > like... 8 or 9 years ago and said you had all that stuff plugged in, > we'd be like "who the hell are you, Donald Trump?" (This is of

Re: CD drivers for System 7.5.5

My Reply follows quote. On 23/03/2004 03:50 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >Hi. > >I'm looking at add a CD drive to the SE/30. Will any old external SCSI >CD-ROM do, or will I have to be more careful about drivers? > >I'm looking at a Toshiba XM-3401 S, which seems to be ok but I can't be >certain. I

Re: Mac Collection

One thing I have always found funny: if you had typed this email like... 8 or 9 years ago and said you had all that stuff plugged in, we'd be like "who the hell are you, Donald Trump?" (This is of course, after we figured out what a "Wallstreet Powerbook was" in 1996 =p) On Mar 23, 2004, at

Re: Mac Collection

In a message dated 3/23/2004 1:03:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I have 37 computers set up ready to use and plan > to add more tables for more. I have a lot more that I can set up. Just for the sake of asking, are all of those plugged up? I tripped my 120v bedroom bea

Re: Mac Collection

In a message dated 3/23/2004 1:03:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I have 37 computers set up ready to use and plan > to add more tables for more. I have a lot more that I can set up. Just for the sake of asking, are all of those plugged up? I tripped my 120v bedroom bea

Re: Early systems from Apple: my 2¢

On 23/3/04 11:19 PM, "Eric Rasmussen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Now if only Apple would provide the last release that supported both > the 128K and 512K, System 3.2 with Finder 5.1 (June 1986) ... > > Eric > Hi all and Eric, Funny enough, I have been thinking about the same thing of late.

Re: Laser Printers and LocalTalk

Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:37:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Laser Printers and LocalTalk From: "Matt Jordan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, Which of the Apple LaserWriter printers are best for use with a LocalTalk (PhoneNET) network containing both compact Macs and some PCI PowerMacs? (Are there any of the

Early systems from Apple: my 2¢

My understanding of the System 6 offerings at the Apple site (the following is based on the assumption that somebody at Apple did actually think abo

Re: Simasimac

Thank you for your answer. However, as I have never opened up a Macintosh before, I still have a few questions. Is it enough to leave the Mac off for a day to discharge, or does it need to be plugged in to a grounded socket for that? Can I also "wash" the motherboard with water, as our kitchen

Finding space for a collection...

Greetings Everyone! Louis - i've really enjoyed looking at all the pix of your machines. Now all you need to do is have them hooked up and start an online museum with pix of the various machines and their history, links, etc. You could have *quite* a site! I've been trying to figure where i'd

Re: CRT Discharge Tool

On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 03:43:05PM +0100, Antonio Rodríguez wrote: > Another good reason for not to discharge a compact's CRT: by > doing that you'll be dangerously near the fragile neck of the > CRT Just to clarify: the cases of broken tubes had nothing to do with discharging the CRT. They were

Re: CRT Discharge Tool

Stuart Bell ha escrito: > > 1) There's no known first-hand evidence of anybody being killed by a > > CRT. > > To say 'compact Mac CRT' would be more certai. Yes, that's right. Bigger CRTs store a bigger charge at a bigger potential (tension), so while the 9/10" CRTs on compact Macintoshes are har

Re: boot disk required (UK)

On Mar 23, 2004, at 6:33 AM, Luke Brennan wrote: Looks like you might be able to get the appropriate System 6 disks as downloads and create the floppies - http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/ Apple_Software_Updates /English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_6.0.x/

Re: CRT Discharge Tool

I just know I'm going to get heck from somebody: On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 01:25:10PM +0100, Antonio Rodríguez wrote: > 1) There's no known first-hand evidence of anybody being killed by a CRT. > 2) I do not know of any electronic device capable of holding a significative >quantity of charge aft

Re: CRT Discharge Tool

On 23 Mar 2004, at 12:25, Antonio Rodríguez wrote: Short answer: yes I do am sure. The long answer has two parts ;-) : 1) There's no known first-hand evidence of anybody being killed by a CRT. To say 'compact Mac CRT' would be more certai. Stuart -- Compact Macs is sponsored by

Re: CD drivers for System 7.5.5

On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 11:50:25AM +, Ian McCall wrote: > Will any old external SCSI CD-ROM do, or will I have to be more > careful about drivers? Any old SCSI CD-ROM will do, but you do have to be careful about drivers. > I'm looking at a Toshiba XM-3401 S, which seems to be ok but I can't

Re: Forcing 32-bit addressing ...

Seeming as buying a batter has popped up a couple of times: On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 11:53:40PM -0500, Louis Labrie wrote: > Just a couple of days ago I went to Radio Shack and paid $14.41 with > tax. I was shocked last time I got one at RS it was like $11! Just to clarify, I was talking in Cana

Re: CRT Discharge Tool

Okee dokee artichokie! I'll upgrade it tonight after school! (I'm in 7th Grade) Ian On Mar 23, 2004, at 7:25 AM, Antonio Rodríguez wrote: Short answer: yes I do am sure. The long answer has two parts ;-) : 1) There's no known first-hand evidence of anybody being killed by a CRT. Thus, most

Re: CRT Discharge Tool

Short answer: yes I do am sure. The long answer has two parts ;-) : 1) There's no known first-hand evidence of anybody being killed by a CRT. Thus, most of us thing it's an urban legend, just like the big white crocodriles in New-York sewers. For more information, read http://www.applefritter.com/

Re: Slightly OT: IDEAssociates SE expansion card?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ha escrito: > Also, on the topic of old SE expansion cards, how useful is the Asante Mac > Con Rev. C2 for IIsi's and SE/30's? I've got a bunch of them. From the > looks of them, it appears they could still be useful in Ethernet > networking with newer machines. Many people ar

Re: CRT Discharge Tool

Are you sure? I don't want to risk getting killed because of a CRT. Ian On Mar 23, 2004, at 7:06 AM, Antonio Rodríguez wrote: Then it do not need discharging. Just open it and upgrade the memory. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) "Ian P. Nixon" ha escrito: Wel

Re: Mac Boot Discs

Thanks for all the offers of help, a kindly list member has offered to post me a boot disk. Sadly I could not use any of the download and create resources because my SE only has an 800k drive, and I (currently ;-)) have no other Mac avilable for the job. Thanks to you all Mike -- Compact Macs

Re: CRT Discharge Tool

Then it do not need discharging. Just open it and upgrade the memory. Greetings, Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan) "Ian P. Nixon" ha escrito: > Well, it's been sitting in my basement for about 2 months. > > Ian -- Compact Macs is sponsored by .

CD drivers for System 7.5.5

Hi. I'm looking at add a CD drive to the SE/30. Will any old external SCSI CD-ROM do, or will I have to be more careful about drivers? I'm looking at a Toshiba XM-3401 S, which seems to be ok but I can't be certain. I've checked at the Mac Driver Museum, but the Universal CD-ROM drivers there

Re: boot disk required (UK)

Looks like you might be able to get the appropriate System 6 disks as downloads and create the floppies - http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates /English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_6.0.x/ Luke -Original Message- I'm afraid my S