Re: [computer-go] handicap for mogo against pro ?

2008-01-12 Thread Hideki Kato
Gian-Carlo Pascutto: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >Olivier Teytaud wrote: > >> Also, there are probably other people interested in combining >> UCT and mpi; I don't know if some people have a more precise idea >> of the level of the MPI+UCT combination than us. Someone ? > >MPI is just a parallel programm

Re: [computer-go] handicap for mogo against pro ?

2008-01-12 Thread Don Dailey
I think Michael is saying that the MPI version is effectively a different program, although it's very similar. So "effective speedup" could be slightly misleading. So on 2 processors we might imagine it might be 1.8 X faster by some measure, but it's probably not the same as a single process

Re: [computer-go] handicap for mogo against pro ?

2008-01-12 Thread terry mcintyre
There is a fairly recent paper dealing with parallelization of UCT by Tristan Cazenave and Nicolas Jouandeau. On the parallelization of UCT. In CGW 2007, pages 93-101, June 2007. [ http://www.ai.univ-paris8.fr/~cazenave/parallelUCT.pdf ] The authors tried three methods. 1) multiple UCT algori

Re: [computer-go] handicap for mogo against pro ?

2008-01-12 Thread Michael Williams
So what? That is not relevant, as long as the algorithm is still "UCT-like" even when parallelized, so that Don's scaling research holds. How they parallelize is completely irrelevant as long as they measure effective speedup, i.e. time to find the best move. There is absolutely no requirement

Re: [computer-go] handicap for mogo against pro ?

2008-01-12 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
Michael Williams wrote: Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: Olivier Teytaud wrote: Also, there are probably other people interested in combining UCT and mpi; I don't know if some people have a more precise idea of the level of the MPI+UCT combination than us. Someone ? MPI is just a parallel programm

Re: [computer-go] handicap for mogo against pro ?

2008-01-12 Thread Michael Williams
Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: Olivier Teytaud wrote: Also, there are probably other people interested in combining UCT and mpi; I don't know if some people have a more precise idea of the level of the MPI+UCT combination than us. Someone ? MPI is just a parallel programming model/library, right?

Re: [computer-go] handicap for mogo against pro ?

2008-01-12 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
Olivier Teytaud wrote: Also, there are probably other people interested in combining UCT and mpi; I don't know if some people have a more precise idea of the level of the MPI+UCT combination than us. Someone ? MPI is just a parallel programming model/library, right? So the only thing to know

Re: [computer-go] handicap for mogo against pro ?

2008-01-12 Thread Olivier Teytaud
Has this estimation been done?Does anyone here have a sense of how strong the very best Mogo versions play? We often compare a version X to a version Y, and have notable successes for this criterion, for all boardsizes; but we have only statistics of self-play, and usually with shorter time

Re: [computer-go] handicap for mogo against pro ?

2008-01-12 Thread Don Dailey
There is a huge difference in strength from one Mogo version to the next. Has this estimation been done?Does anyone here have a sense of how strong the very best Mogo versions play? - Don Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: > Don Dailey wrote: > >> It's not very clear to me how strong Mogo is a

Re: [computer-go] handicap for mogo against pro ?

2008-01-12 Thread Olivier Teytaud
It's not very clear to me how strong Mogo is at 19x19. I have no idea. Can't we estimate from KGS games? k Due to hardware and library constraints, mpi-mogo is not on KGS. Olivier ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.

Re: [computer-go] handicap for mogo against pro ?

2008-01-12 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
Don Dailey wrote: It's not very clear to me how strong Mogo is at 19x19. I have no idea. Can't we estimate from KGS games? You'd need to know exactly how fast the hardware is, of course. -- GCP ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go

Re: [computer-go] handicap for mogo against pro ?

2008-01-12 Thread Don Dailey
Alain Baeckeroot wrote: > Le samedi 12 janvier 2008, Olivier Teytaud a écrit : > >> [game against MoGo and a professional player] >> >> It will be the MPI version of mogo, and in various board-sizes. >>> What handicap, if any? >>> >> I don't know yet. >> > >

[computer-go] A bug with cgos tcl script when the engine crashes

2008-01-12 Thread John Fan
When the engine crashes, the tcl scripts sends the last move from the opponent, and the engine loses on "Illegal move to occupied point". Not sure if anybody has reported this bug and latest script has fixed the issue. The following is part of the script log on game 251055. The full log of the gam

Re: [computer-go] handicap for mogo against pro ?

2008-01-12 Thread Alain Baeckeroot
Le samedi 12 janvier 2008, Olivier Teytaud a écrit : > [game against MoGo and a professional player] > > >> It will be the MPI version of mogo, and in various board-sizes. > > > >What handicap, if any? > > I don't know yet. There is lot of room to show improvements. JL Gaily reports games with m

[computer-go] Unravel the mystery of UCT-MC

2008-01-12 Thread compgo123
The success of the UCT-MC method, especially in the 19x19 Go game, surprises many people. It has been?mostly atributed to?the special features of the UCT algorithm. These features does play an essential roles They made it possible for the evaluation method of Monte-Carlo to work. However, the su

Re: [computer-go] To French speakers: computer Go on the French Radio

2008-01-12 Thread Olivier Teytaud
[game between mogo and a professional player] What will be the hardware for Mogo ? The hardware should be provided by Bull (cluster of multi-core machines, with good communications - this last point is very important). By the way I point out that the hardware for public games is provided by

[computer-go] "visual tree" (gogui extension) help request

2008-01-12 Thread Peter Christopher
Hi, By any chance does anyone have a tip to help me get VisualTree working? http://www.cs.unimaas.nl/g.chaslot/vt/vt09/docs/install.html says I should run " java -jar vtbeta.jar" but this produces the error: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: net/sf/gogui/utils/ErrorMess

Re: [computer-go] To French speakers: computer Go on the French Radio

2008-01-12 Thread Olivier Teytaud
[game between mogo and a professional player] What will be the hardware for Mogo ? The hardware should be provided by Bull (cluster of multi-core machines, with good communications - this last point is very important). Olivier ___ computer-go mailin

Re: [computer-go] To French speakers: computer Go on the French Radio

2008-01-12 Thread Olivier Teytaud
[game against MoGo and a professional player] It will be the MPI version of mogo, and in various board-sizes. What handicap, if any? I don't know yet. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listi