Re: [Computer-go] Building a database for training CNNs

2014-12-20 Thread Erik van der Werf
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Robert Jasiek wrote: > On 20.12.2014 17:04, Erik van der Werf wrote: >> >> the critical part is in learning about life & >> death. Once you have that, estimating ownership is fairly easy > >> [...] See the following papers for more details: [...] >> >> http://erikv

Re: [Computer-go] Building a database for training CNNs

2014-12-20 Thread Robert Jasiek
On 20.12.2014 17:04, Erik van der Werf wrote: the critical part is in learning about life & death. Once you have that, estimating ownership is fairly easy > [...] See the following papers for more details: [...] http://erikvanderwerf.tengen.nl/pubdown/predicting_territory.pdf Estimating owner

Re: [Computer-go] Building a database for training CNNs

2014-12-20 Thread Erik van der Werf
Hi Álvaro, I've done things like that, except I didn't use games by strong computer opponents (none existed at the time), so just human amateur games. In my experience the critical part is in learning about life & death. Once you have that, estimating ownership is fairly easy, asymptotically reach

[Computer-go] Building a database for training CNNs

2014-12-20 Thread Álvaro Begué
Hi, There are things a CNN could probably do well, if only we had the right database to train it. I have in mind these two possibilities: * using a CNN as an evaluation function, * using a CNN to estimate "ownership" for each point (i.e., a number between -1 and 1 that is an estimate of who is g