Re: [computer-go] How did MoGo do it?

2007-03-05 Thread Don Dailey
On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 11:58 -0300, Eduardo Sabbatella wrote: > Also sometimes it scales but not lineal, thats an > issue to. A big one. > > Like raw MC, you can get a very good move with less > than 70k simulations, to get a really good move > perhaps you need 400 billons. > I remember there is a

Re: [computer-go] How did MoGo do it?

2007-03-05 Thread Eduardo Sabbatella
Also sometimes it scales but not lineal, thats an issue to. A big one. Like raw MC, you can get a very good move with less than 70k simulations, to get a really good move perhaps you need 400 billons. I remember there is a paper about this with a 'oracle' MC engine and they used it to compare to d

Re: [computer-go] How did MoGo do it?

2007-03-05 Thread Don Dailey
Sylvain, What you say is no surpise to me about the constraints. I knew that if you improved things, you would eventually have to improve or reduce the constraints. The simple question I always ask about a feature is whether the idea is infinitely scalable. Some idea are very good in the shor

Re: [computer-go] How did MoGo do it?

2007-03-05 Thread Heikki Levanto
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 10:52:23AM +0100, Sylvain Gelly wrote: > I still strongly believe in the future of MC even in 19x19. I would also like to try my hand at 19x19. Wouldn't it almost be time for a playground server, like cgos, but on a larger board. Of course there would have to be more time (

Re: [computer-go] How did MoGo do it?

2007-03-05 Thread Sylvain Gelly
Hello Peter, Hello Don, Hello all, It is true that I have been mainly working to improve the level of MoGo in 19x19. It turned out in my experiments, that improving its level in 9x9 with very little simulations was significant for the level in 19x19, so it is one reason why the limited version of

Re: [computer-go] How did MoGo do it?

2007-03-04 Thread Don Dailey
I'm pretty sure I read that the MoGo team is shifting their efforts towards 19x19 GO. There are lot's of possibilites for research, but Mogo already does things to constrain the board on 19x19, they are probably just refining this stuff. - Don On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 19:58 -0800, Peter Drake wro

[computer-go] How did MoGo do it?

2007-03-04 Thread Peter Drake
Congratulations to MoGo on winning the KGS tournament held earlier today: http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=s&id=270 Even under borderline "blitz" conditions (18 minutes sudden death for 19x19), MoGo managed to beat conventional programs like GNU Go. (ManyFaces apparently had som