Re: [Computer-go] Computer-go Digest, Vol 12, Issue 81

2011-01-27 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hello Hendrik, are you still active in computer-go? Are there other computer-go guys in Osnabrueck? (Jan Takeshi Saito was there many years ago.) Cheers, Ingo Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 23:18:58 +0100 Von: Hendrik Baier hendrik.ba...@googlemail.com An:

[Computer-go] February KGS bot tournament: 19x19

2011-01-27 Thread Nick Wedd
The February 2011 KGS computer Go tournament will be on Sunday February 6th, starting at 08:00 UTC and ending at 16:00 UTC. I have tried to post more details, but my postings aren't appearing. Nick -- Nick Weddn...@maproom.co.uk ___ Computer-go

[Computer-go] February KGS bot tournament: 19x19

2011-01-27 Thread Nick Wedd
The February 2011 KGS computer Go tournament will be on Sunday February 6th, starting at 08:00 UTC and ending at 16:00 UTC. It will be a 16-round Swiss with 19x19 boards, 14 minutes each of main time, and Canadian Overtime of 25 moves in 60 seconds. It will use Chinese rules with 7.5 points

[Computer-go] February KGS bot tournament: 19x19

2011-01-27 Thread Nick Wedd
(repeat posting, the previous copy has not appeared yet) The February 2011 KGS computer Go tournament will be on Sunday February 6th, starting at 08:00 UTC and ending at 16:00 UTC. It will be a 16-round Swiss with 19x19 boards, 14 minutes each of main time, and Canadian

Re: [Computer-go] computer Go as a social educational tool?

2011-01-27 Thread Nick Wedd
I have become unable to start a new thread in this mailing list. I wonder whether I can reply in an existing one? Nick -- Nick Weddn...@maproom.co.uk ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org

Re: [Computer-go] February KGS bot tournament: 19x19

2011-01-27 Thread Joshua Shriver
This showed up ok for me. Will try and watch it. -Josh On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Nick Wedd n...@maproom.co.uk wrote: The February 2011 KGS computer Go tournament will be on Sunday February 6th, starting at 08:00 UTC and ending at 16:00 UTC. I have tried to post more details, but my

Re: [Computer-go] computer Go as a social educational tool?

2011-01-27 Thread Petr Baudis
Hi! On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 02:50:59PM +, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: Terry, I can only provide what the Go engine exposes, so please encourage the developers, in this case Fuego may not provide a kill alert, but certainly it is in codebase, Fuego has strong kill facility. I will also

Re: [Computer-go] February KGS bot tournament: 19x19

2011-01-27 Thread steve uurtamo
super bowl bot tournament. :) s. On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Nick Wedd n...@maproom.co.uk wrote: The February 2011 KGS computer Go tournament will be on Sunday February 6th, starting at 08:00 UTC and ending at 16:00 UTC. I have tried to post more details, but my postings aren't

Re: [Computer-go] February KGS bot tournament: 19x19

2011-01-27 Thread Jean-loup Gailly
indeed weak and new bots are particularly welcome. I fully agree for new bots. But for the others I'm curious: how many think it's a good idea to encourage several very weak bots, except one for parity? They are indeed very useful for debugging but this should be done on cgos not in a

Re: [Computer-go] Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs?

2011-01-27 Thread David Doshay
Yes, we could take on the rules from any one of a number of other games. Each would have some advantage, perhaps some disadvantage. But why? Rather than complicate the rule set to nudge our programs in one direction or another via a new reward function, why don't we just concentrate on trying

Re: [Computer-go] Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs?

2011-01-27 Thread Don Dailey
I agree, it's no longer go if you add this kind of extra gamesmanship on top. Of course it's sometime fun to talk about it as a kind of speculation. Don On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 7:38 PM, David Doshay ddos...@mac.com wrote: Yes, we could take on the rules from any one of a number of other

Re: [Computer-go] Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs?

2011-01-27 Thread Mark Boon
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Don Dailey dailey@gmail.com wrote: The problem is that you can still play the game out until there is just one or two moves left and then resign.    So for this work it has to be done at some reasonable point in the game and who is to decide when that

Re: [Computer-go] Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs?

2011-01-27 Thread Álvaro Begué
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Don Dailey dailey@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Jonathan Chetwynd j.chetw...@btinternet.com wrote: Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs? each program would have to forfeit a double game, if it played on

Re: [Computer-go] Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs?

2011-01-27 Thread Don Dailey
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Álvaro Begué alvaro.be...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Don Dailey dailey@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Jonathan Chetwynd j.chetw...@btinternet.com wrote: Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation

Re: [Computer-go] Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs?

2011-01-27 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
I like the idea, though for sure it would take extra work. I like the idea of some kind of Bang Neki tournament even more. It was discussed previously on the list: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.games.devel.go/20580 The best bots are already playing well. Who would have imagined a 1d bot 5

Re: [Computer-go] Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs?

2011-01-27 Thread Petri Pitkanen
2011/1/28 Álvaro Begué alvaro.be...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Don Dailey dailey@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand your objection, Don. The side that is winning will at some point determine that the probability of winning the game is large enough (say, more than 80%)