Re: [Computer-go] Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs?

2011-01-27 Thread Petri Pitkanen
2011/1/28 Álvaro Begué > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Don Dailey wrote: > > I don't understand your objection, Don. The side that is winning will > at some point determine that the probability of winning the game is > large enough (say, more than 80%) and it will propose doubling. At > that

Re: [Computer-go] Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs?

2011-01-27 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
I like the idea, though for sure it would take extra work. I like the idea of some kind of Bang Neki tournament even more. It was discussed previously on the list: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.games.devel.go/20580 The best bots are already playing well. Who would have imagined a 1d bot 5 year

Re: [Computer-go] Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs?

2011-01-27 Thread Don Dailey
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Álvaro Begué wrote: > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Don Dailey wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Jonathan Chetwynd > > wrote: > >> > >> Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs? > >> > >> each program would have to fo

Re: [Computer-go] Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs?

2011-01-27 Thread Álvaro Begué
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Don Dailey wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Jonathan Chetwynd > wrote: >> >> Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs? >> >> each program would have to forfeit a double game, if it played on and lost >> the game, >> but could

Re: [Computer-go] Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs?

2011-01-27 Thread Mark Boon
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Don Dailey wrote: > > The problem is that you can still play the game out until there is just one > or two moves left and then resign.    So for this work it has to be done at > some reasonable point in the game and who is to decide when that should be? No, you e

Re: [Computer-go] Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs?

2011-01-27 Thread Don Dailey
I agree, it's no longer go if you add this kind of extra gamesmanship on top. Of course it's sometime fun to talk about it as a kind of speculation. Don On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 7:38 PM, David Doshay wrote: > Yes, we could take on the rules from any one of a number of other games. > Each woul

Re: [Computer-go] Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs?

2011-01-27 Thread David Doshay
Yes, we could take on the rules from any one of a number of other games. Each would have some advantage, perhaps some disadvantage. But why? Rather than complicate the rule set to nudge our programs in one direction or another via a new reward function, why don't we just concentrate on trying to

Re: [Computer-go] test message

2011-01-27 Thread Jason House
Me too. Don sent a lot of messages while trying to get one through. It looks like everyone's messages got held up until 6:21 (my local time) and then all came through at once. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2011, at 7:03 PM, Don Dailey wrote: > I got the message. > > Don > > > On Thu, Jan

Re: [Computer-go] test message

2011-01-27 Thread Don Dailey
I got the message. Don On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Nick Wedd wrote: > I have been trying to post to this list, with no success. > -- > Nick Weddn...@maproom.co.uk > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@dvandva.org > http://dvandva.or

Re: [Computer-go] February KGS bot tournament: 19x19

2011-01-27 Thread Jean-loup Gailly
> indeed weak and new bots are particularly welcome. I fully agree for new bots. But for the others I'm curious: how many think it's a good idea to encourage several very weak bots, except one for parity? They are indeed very useful for debugging but this should be done on cgos not in a tournament

Re: [Computer-go] February KGS bot tournament: 19x19

2011-01-27 Thread steve uurtamo
super bowl bot tournament. :) s. On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Nick Wedd wrote: > The February 2011 KGS computer Go tournament will be on Sunday February 6th, > starting at 08:00 UTC and ending at 16:00 UTC. > > I have tried to post more details, but my postings aren't appearing. > > Nick > -

Re: [Computer-go] computer Go as a social & educational tool?

2011-01-27 Thread Petr Baudis
Hi! On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 02:50:59PM +, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: > Terry, > > I can only provide what the Go engine exposes, so please encourage > the developers, > in this case Fuego may not provide a kill alert, but certainly it is > in codebase, Fuego has strong kill facility. > I will

Re: [Computer-go] February KGS bot tournament: 19x19

2011-01-27 Thread Joshua Shriver
This showed up ok for me. Will try and watch it. -Josh On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Nick Wedd wrote: > The February 2011 KGS computer Go tournament will be on Sunday February 6th, > starting at 08:00 UTC and ending at 16:00 UTC. > > I have tried to post more details, but my postings aren't

Re: [Computer-go] computer Go as a social & educational tool?

2011-01-27 Thread Nick Wedd
I have become unable to start a new thread in this mailing list. I wonder whether I can reply in an existing one? Nick -- Nick Weddn...@maproom.co.uk ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/

Re: [Computer-go] Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs?

2011-01-27 Thread Don Dailey
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Jonathan Chetwynd < j.chetw...@btinternet.com> wrote: > Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs? > > each program would have to forfeit a double game, if it played on and lost > the game, > but could resign for a single loss. > The proble

[Computer-go] test message

2011-01-27 Thread Nick Wedd
I have been trying to post to this list, with no success. -- Nick Weddn...@maproom.co.uk ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

[Computer-go] February KGS bot tournament: 19x19

2011-01-27 Thread Nick Wedd
(repeat posting, the previous copy has not appeared yet) The February 2011 KGS computer Go tournament will be on Sunday February 6th, starting at 08:00 UTC and ending at 16:00 UTC. It will be a 16-round Swiss with 19x19 boards, 14 minutes each of main time, and Canadian Overtim

[Computer-go] February KGS bot tournament: 19x19

2011-01-27 Thread Nick Wedd
The February 2011 KGS computer Go tournament will be on Sunday February 6th, starting at 08:00 UTC and ending at 16:00 UTC. It will be a 16-round Swiss with 19x19 boards, 14 minutes each of main time, and Canadian Overtime of 25 moves in 60 seconds. It will use Chinese rules with 7.5 points k

Re: [Computer-go] computer Go as a social & educational tool?

2011-01-27 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Terry, Petr & David, many thanks for taking the time to review peepo.com and the enthusiastic feedback, html5 and the web offer fantastic opportunities to promote Go, develop social networks and improve game tools and visualisations. Its not just about Go, but also helping foster understanding

[Computer-go] February KGS bot tournament: 19x19

2011-01-27 Thread Nick Wedd
The February 2011 KGS computer Go tournament will be on Sunday February 6th, starting at 08:00 UTC and ending at 16:00 UTC. I have tried to post more details, but my postings aren't appearing. Nick -- Nick Weddn...@maproom.co.uk ___ Computer-go ma

[Computer-go] Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs?

2011-01-27 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Could a 'doubling dice'** encourage early resignation by programs? each program would have to forfeit a double game, if it played on and lost the game, but could resign for a single loss. scores in earnest might need to be tallied in the public arena. though one would hope that the applicati

Re: [Computer-go] Computer-go Digest, Vol 12, Issue 81

2011-01-27 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hello Hendrik, are you still active in computer-go? Are there other computer-go guys in Osnabrueck? (Jan Takeshi Saito was there many years ago.) Cheers, Ingo Original-Nachricht > Datum: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 23:18:58 +0100 > Von: Hendrik Baier > An: computer-go@dvandva.org > Betre

Re: [Computer-go] computer Go as a social & educational tool?

2011-01-27 Thread Ingo Althöfer
David Ongaro meditated: > Thinking further, this might even be a way to reach a wider audience for > Go? If one gets a good visualization of territory and the difference of a > pro game in real time, it might be as easy to follow as a football match :-). Hi David, believe it or not. About ten yea