I would keep it simple, and not use RAID. Most people don't understand
it; especially where the risks of data loss are. At the low end, the
risks of data loss are high for those who do not know a LOT about RAID.
Personally, assuming this is important data, I like serial SCSI, SAS.
SAS disk
So what is the harm of a test message?
Well it is August and that usually brings out a bumper crop of silly
discussions. List traffic does decline because people go on vacation.
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Or you might want to send a private message to a less hostile list member.
Anything we can do to cheer up Tony? Maybe we can get him to unload his
MS shares. After all that is going to be a downward spiral and sure to
make him more morose.
Maybe he should buy a tech toy? My first instinct is
Up until this point, I didn't realize that Gmail won't show my posts
until someone replies to it (something I just do not understand, but that's
a subject for another day).
We should remind folks who use GMail that they will not see their post to
the list until somebody replies. There is good
If I got that error I would just restore last night's image. Take me
about 15 minutes to restore my C drive to where it was at 7pm last
night. All my apps and data on my D and M drives would still be fine.
I don't know the answer, but in general this is a terrible way to
maintain a computer. It
For simpler needs, 1.5 TB capacity disk drives are available. Might
make a nice middle layer between fast-access and archive/backup.
Good point. For many organizations archives are a ready reference and
accessed frequently. For others archives are mothballed projects that
are rarely accessed.
And don't forget that you need both onsite and offsite archives/backups.
Terrible things happen rarely, but they are far less terrible if your
have good offsite storage.
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But as long as you are looking to add retrieval speed and continue the
tape bkup you referred to, and considering that hardware is relatively
cheap these days, a server with a SATA RAID controller card...
I avoid both tape and RAID. I consider them significantly less reliable
than a modern
Good point. If it's a mission critical system it should have fault
tolerant RAIDs installed instead of relying on periodic images. But
that's usually way too costly for most systems.
But you are greatly mistaken about hard drives. I don't know what
fantasy land you come from where drives never
I stay away from RAID for personal or small business uses. Tape, as
long as the person doing the backups practices restoring from them, are
still a nice way to get data backup off-site. (Backup is one thing;
recovery is Everything!)
Thank you,
Mark Snyder
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I avoid
This takes some getting used to and is easy to forget about if you post
infrequently.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We should remind folks who use GMail that they will not see their post to
the list until somebody replies. There is good logic to what
How would one restore to an earlier time when the system is not booting up
in the first place?
Richard P.
If I got that error I would just restore last night's image. Take me
about 15 minutes to restore my C drive to where it was at 7pm last
night. All my apps and data on my D and M drives
when i look in special(Eudora), all i see are filters, addresses, empty trash,
compact mailbox and message plug in settings. none of these plugins seem to
deal with fonts and display.
i checked off what i thought to be the appropriate boxes in
toolsoptionsviewing mail.
jer
At 12:29 AM
From Ars Technica:
Report: US falling further behind on broadband speeds, reach
By John Timmer | Published: August 14, 2008 - 08:00PM CT
The latest measure of the state of the US broadband market is now
available and, like many other takes on the subject, the picture it
paints is a bit
I'm wondering how RAID can be less realiable then a 'modern' hard drive when
those same modern hard drives are used for the RAID?
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I avoid both tape and RAID. I consider them significantly less reliable
than a modern hard
Type and how it is set up.
There are multiple types of raid, and they can easily be messed up by
maladministration. (loose nut behind the wheel.)
Stewart
At 12:08 PM 8/15/2008, you wrote:
I'm wondering how RAID can be less realiable then a 'modern' hard drive when
those same modern hard
Not speaking for Tom, but RAID controllers can fault and the result can
be loss of some or all data. If more than one drive fails while another
is rebuilding, all data for that RAID set is lost. Power loss for RAID
can be a much bigger problem than for independent disk drives. There
are others,
You boot from something else, usually DVD or cdrom. If you go this
route you may also want to partition your c: drive smaller (maybe
50gigs). This was important in olden days, but today's imaging apps
are usually more flexible.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Richard P. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Disgraceful. Maybe with their surplus, we can get Iraq to pay for some upgrades.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From Ars Technica:
Report: US falling further behind on broadband speeds, reach
By John Timmer | Published: August 14, 2008 - 08:00PM CT
That can be said for anything. Put a nut behind the wheel of just about
anything and it's less realiable.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
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Type and how it is set up.
There are multiple types of raid, and they can easily be messed up by
Yes but the logic behind the statement isn't that RAID can have problems but
that all RAID is less realiable then just single HD's. Which is ridiculous.
Mike
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT CIV) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Not speaking for Tom, but RAID controllers can fault
http://www.command-tab.com/2007/03/11/upgrading-ipod-hard-drives/
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From: b_s-wilk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:12 PM
Subject: Frankenstein iPod
My 20GB iPod's hard drive died. Since the Toshiba 40/60/80GB 1.8-inch
drives are very close
Tony,
First you say not to rely on data being on your hard disk. While you did
not use numbers, you said:
Bytes on hard drives disappear all the time.
and
just restore last night's image
You are implying that you can expect hard drive errors every day. Note:
you did not say that exactly.
You
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 1:46 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes but the logic behind the statement isn't that RAID can have problems
but
that all RAID is less realiable then just single HD's. Which is
ridiculous.
No, the logic is that relying on a single hard drive is, for most
So this being true...why do companies rely on RAID for keeping data safe?
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:18 PM, John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 1:46 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes but the logic behind the statement isn't that RAID can have problems
but
I've got a bit of a puzzler with one user on a LAN for whom it takes 30 seconds
to open a particular Excel file on a mapped drive. If I copy it onto her
desktop, it opens in a flash. Her coworkers, with same PC specs have no
problem. This is a Windows/Novell network setup. Any ideas?
Is the true for the motherboard based RAID, as well? I had not heard that-
so the SATA drive RAID's are supposed to be the way to go.
Eschew Obfuscation
This is a reply from:
Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services
for the
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 3:38 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So this being true...why do companies rely on RAID for keeping data safe?
Multiple reasons. Inertia is one of them. For instance, Maximum PC has
advocated RAID with super-fast disks for gaming performance. Then they did
a
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Jay Montero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've got a bit of a puzzler with one user on a LAN for whom it takes 30
seconds to open a particular Excel file on a mapped drive. If I copy it
onto her desktop, it opens in a flash. Her coworkers, with same PC specs
have
Gaming performance is different then trying to protect data..completely.
Multiple reasons. Inertia is one of them. For instance, Maximum PC has
advocated RAID with super-fast disks for gaming performance. Then they did
a benchmark test within the last year or two and found that RAID didn't
Virus scanner that scans anything being downloaded from the network, but does
not scan anything being loaded from a/the local hard drive?
At 04:35 PM 8/15/2008, Jay Montero wrote:
I've got a bit of a puzzler with one user on a LAN for whom it takes 30
seconds to open a particular Excel file on
But you are greatly mistaken about hard drives. I don't know what
fantasy land you come from where drives never fail and data on them is
never lost, but in the Real World many calamities occur that can cause
data loss. From esoteric things like solar particles switching a bit...
I got a tin foil
Report: US falling further behind on broadband speeds, reach
By John Timmer | Published: August 14, 2008 - 08:00PM CT
What's going on at Ars Technica? After noting that at current rates of
increase it will take 100 years for the US to catch up with Japan's
current level of service, Ars Technica
If you really want to have images and other html stuff loading in all
your email messages, you can change it in Special Settings Fonts
and Display: check boxes for Display Graphics in messages and
Automatically download HTML graphics
But you open yourself to all sorts of baddies by doing so.
at current rates of increase it will take 100 years
for the US to catch up with Japan's current level
of service
I don't know about 100 years, but it *is* a massive job to dig up and
replace all the Internet pipes. The one that comes into my house is still
terra cotta, for God's sake.
Tom a lot of things drive that observation.
1.) Many folks just don't know what is available out there in other countries.
2.) A certain portion of the population is still confined to
dial-up. (I have one in my congregation) the only other alternative
is satellite and that is very
There are more failure points in a RAID array, and more catastrophic failure
conditions. A RAID card is more likely to fail than a single hard drive
(well, shorter MTBF). It is always the case that the more components you
have in a system, the higher the chance of any one of them failing.
1.) Many folks just don't know what is available out there in other
countries.
And the carriers want to make sure we never find out. In China they call
it the Great Firewall in the US they call it traffic shaping.
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Multiple reasons. Inertia is one of them...
Inertia is a big one. Many IT pros don't keep up with technology or
don't understand the reasons for using a particular technology. They pick
RAID because it is buzzword compliant. Many still use tape for the same
reason. Or HP printers.
Report: US falling further behind on broadband speeds, reach By John
Timmer | Published: August 14, 2008 - 08:00PM CT
The latest measure of the state of the US broadband market is now
available and, like many other takes on the subject, the picture it
paints is a bit depressing. The report
On Aug 15, 2008, at 8:32 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
Report: US falling further behind on broadband speeds, reach
By John Timmer | Published: August 14, 2008 - 08:00PM CT
What's going on at Ars Technica? After noting that at current rates of
increase it will take 100 years for the US to catch up
What's going on at Ars Technica? After noting that at current rates of
increase it will take 100 years for the US to catch up with Japan's
current level of service, Ars Technica then gos on to disparage the
report...
The rates reported for Asia are roughly what we term DS3 (T3)
level speeds.
ZDNet Australia has the US listed in 2008 as 23rd behind Latvia, Greece,
Hong Kong, Romania, Macau. Pretty pathetic.
Romania238K
Greece 132K
Latvia 65K
Hong Kong1K
Macau .025K
All numbers are square kilometers, rounded up, total 436.025K.
A little bigger than
So what does company with database access needs and 25 users do to keep as
much up time as possible?
The blog seems to be splitting hairs, instead of hardware RAID on one
machine, google seems to be employing hardware RAID across multiple
machines. Just because they aren't using specifically
Inertia is a big one. Many IT pros don't keep up with technology or
don't understand the reasons for using a particular technology. They
pick RAID because it is buzzword compliant.
We pros use it because of buzzwords like mature and reliable and
inexpensive. We use it for well documented
Romania238K
Greece 132K
Latvia 65K
Hong Kong1K
Macau .025K
All numbers are square kilometers, rounded up, total 436.025K.
A little bigger than California and on average much denser.
If all I had to do was give everyone in California broadband and
I had
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