Re: [CGUYS] quad core graphics?

2008-11-17 Thread Richard P.
I can understand video editor limitations, but wouldn't the rendering time be faster? Richard P. Okay, I can't let this pass. Our video editors don't edit one whit faster on a multi core system, so what is it about this guy that makes him think he can finish projects quicker? I mean, can he

Re: [CGUYS] quad core graphics?

2008-11-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Absolutely!!! I know and have seen it with my dual core. Cut it from 12 hours to almost real time. Stewart At 07:35 AM 11/17/2008, Richard P. wrote: I can understand video editor limitations, but wouldn't the rendering time be faster? Richard P. Okay, I can't let this pass. Our video

Re: [CGUYS] dual core vs quad core processors

2008-11-17 Thread gerald
i bought an ACER 5100 with an AMD quad-core. was under $600 delivered, with most everything on it. came with good set of bells and whistles and an acceptable video card.. have little use for the quad core, or the speed, but at that price, it is difficult to buy much of anything for much

Re: [CGUYS] dual core vs quad core processors

2008-11-17 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:19 AM, gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i bought an ACER 5100 with an AMD quad-core. was under $600 delivered, with most everything on it. came with good set of bells and whistles and an acceptable video card.. have little use for the quad core, or the speed, but

Re: [CGUYS] quad core graphics?

2008-11-17 Thread Tony B
No. Assuming the editing app is written to take advantage of multiple cores (most *current versions* do these days), then adding a core will only halve rendering time. Real world tests show this drops off with 4 cores - going from dual to 4 cores will only improve the speed by maybe 30%. I can

Re: [CGUYS] ridda aol yeecch!

2008-11-17 Thread Jordan
The Mozilla product that includes the email client is Seamonkey. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ But most Mozilla users use Firefox and Thunderbird. RLeeSimon wrote: Then wat? I need also to change her browser ...she's got win2k and it doesn't allow upgrade to ie7 so wassabest?

Re: [CGUYS] quad core graphics?

2008-11-17 Thread Jeff Wright
People working with multi-hundred megabyte graphics files is a small subset of graphics users. Very true, but that was to rebut the point that there is no noticeable difference between single and multi cores. Gamers also benefit from multi-cores. Even if certain apps won't directly benefit

Re: [CGUYS] ridda aol yeecch!

2008-11-17 Thread Tom Piwowar
But she's already got it and otherwise is not interested in $$$ for something else...the opera client is a little clunky but cud doo...eh? So you are a Redmund dead-ender? Outlook costs $$$. The better alternatives are free, either advertising supported or open source. Yet you describe them as

Re: [CGUYS] quad core graphics?

2008-11-17 Thread Jeff Wright
You must have missed the part where I said this was true for *office* apps. AFAIK, none of them are coded for multi cores. So until the OS itself does multi core, I'm still confident that, all else being equal, nobody working in Word will see any difference at all. No, I didn't miss that, but

[CGUYS] gmail typos

2008-11-17 Thread Tony B
Not here. Oddly, gmail is flagged as a typo, and so is Gmail. Neither recommend the other. Perhaps I manually added Thunderbird to my dictionary.? I don't type it often. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting side-note: Gmail regards 'Thunderbird'

Re: [CGUYS] We Are Not Being Ignored -- ObamaCTO.org

2008-11-17 Thread Larry Sacks
Grassroots organizing? Could we be seeing the start of a new political megastar -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:30 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re:

[CGUYS] yes or no to mcafee

2008-11-17 Thread RLeeSimon
I just got comcast internet snail plan (768up) which is ok for me having had dialup (56k but really around 23-28k at best) for years...comcast offers MacAfee suite which installs easily ...but the cost in speed and footprint on the resources is very high which makes my pIV2-1gb-winXPhomeSP3

Re: [CGUYS] quad core graphics?

2008-11-17 Thread Tony B
Add up to what? An extra minute a day? Have a blast! :) Anyway, nobody's arguing a faster system isn't nicer and that the more cores you can bring to the party the better. I'm only pointing out there are many, probably most, office tasks where CPU is totally irrelevant. Consider that it takes 10

Re: [CGUYS] Laptop computers for teens, tweens?

2008-11-17 Thread Larry Sacks
As someone else suggested, go to Dell's Small and Medium Business website. Depending on your price range, there's a bunch of options. Since the laptop's are for your teen and tween, you might want to consider getting a warranty. Onsite is much better than having to mail the thing in -

[CGUYS] Antivirus

2008-11-17 Thread Terry Kilburg
Now i have Norton and it's about ready to expire. I don't think i need all what they have bundled in their lowest update because it's just one computer not heavily used. It seems like Norton is only trying to appeal to people hooked to a network. I'm looking into this cyberscrub antivirus

[CGUYS] Slightly OT--Taping over Mini DV cassettes

2008-11-17 Thread David Turk
Got an A/V question. We're conducting focus groups, videotaping them with a MiniDV camera. After taping, I download the footage into iMovie, burn A DVD. I've never been in the habit of re-using the MiniDV cassettes, but we've got about a dozen more tapings, I was trying to cut down on the

[CGUYS] Network wiring

2008-11-17 Thread Larry Sacks
A friend is trying to setup a home network between 2 separate houses - the older main house and a newly built home. There's about 500 feet separating the 2 homes and a wireless-N signal is just strong enough to make it about ¾ of the way between the houses. There is a garage with power

Re: [CGUYS] We Are Not Being Ignored -- ObamaCTO.org

2008-11-17 Thread mike
Or a cult of personality.. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Larry Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grassroots organizing? Could we be seeing the start of a new political megastar -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom

Re: [CGUYS] Laptop computers for teens, tweens?

2008-11-17 Thread Richardson, Sharon Y.
Hi Tony, Most colleges and universities are wired (wireless, actually) these days and the expectation is that kids bring a laptop to campus. The professors post assignments on class websites and the kids do their homework papers ON THESE SITES and hit the submit button. (Actually, my

Re: [CGUYS] Slightly OT--Taping over Mini DV cassettes

2008-11-17 Thread Tony B
It all depends on the value of the event. For our productions, we only use new tapes. Once a year we sell them on ebay, where I'm sure someone uses them 100 times over with no trouble. Digital video won't degrade. It may get more dropouts, or more chance of outright failure, but what picture *is*

Re: [CGUYS] Network wiring

2008-11-17 Thread Vicky Staubly
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Larry Sacks wrote: A friend is trying to setup a home network between 2 separate houses - the older main house and a newly built home. There's about 500 feet separating the 2 homes and a wireless-N signal is just strong enough to make it about ¾ of the way between the

Re: [CGUYS] Network wiring

2008-11-17 Thread Steve Rigby
On Nov 17, 2008, at 1:53 PM, Larry Sacks wrote: A friend is trying to setup a home network between 2 separate houses - the older main house and a newly built home. There's about 500 feet separating the 2 homes and a wireless-N signal is just strong enough to make it about ¾ of the way

Re: [CGUYS] Network wiring

2008-11-17 Thread Larry Sacks
That's another possibility. But which ones *really* work? There's lots and lots of antennas out there and they're trying to avoid buying one of everything on the market. Most of what we've seen in the various computer stores are the smaller antennas to boost signal strength across the house

[CGUYS] Self-driving cars...redux

2008-11-17 Thread Steve Rigby
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Re: [CGUYS] Network wiring

2008-11-17 Thread Larry Sacks
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Larry Sacks wrote: A friend is trying to setup a home network between 2 separate houses - the older main house and a newly built home. There's about 500 feet separating the 2 homes and a wireless-N signal is just strong enough to make it about ¾ of the way between the

Re: [CGUYS] We Are Not Being Ignored -- ObamaCTO.org

2008-11-17 Thread Tom Piwowar
Or a cult of personality.. Looks like sour grapes to me. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ **

Re: [CGUYS] Slightly OT--Taping over Mini DV cassettes

2008-11-17 Thread Tom Piwowar
Got an A/V question. We're conducting focus groups, videotaping them with a MiniDV camera. After taping, I download the footage into iMovie, burn A DVD. I've never been in the habit of re-using the MiniDV cassettes, but we've got about a dozen more tapings, I was trying to cut down on

Re: [CGUYS] ridda aol yeecch!

2008-11-17 Thread Tom Piwowar
You obviously haven't used Outlook this century. Outlook 2007 is very stable and non-buggy and my users are bugging me (no pun) to get it. Everyone that has been upgraded from Office 2003 loves the new version of Office. Unlike previous versions of Office, it actually is worth buying. I won't

Re: [CGUYS] quad core graphics?

2008-11-17 Thread Jeff Wright
.If you've got a system that you find yourself waiting on, I'd suggest reinstalling the OS, as any modern computer should be able to run the gui real snappy. Yeah, I know that, but this is with systems that have a new or recent install of the OS on them. The dual cores blow them away for

Re: [CGUYS] Network wiring

2008-11-17 Thread Steve Rigby
On Nov 17, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Larry Sacks wrote: That's another possibility. But which ones *really* work? There's lots and lots of antennas out there and they're trying to avoid buying one of everything on the market. Most of what we've seen in the various computer stores are the

Re: [CGUYS] quad core graphics?

2008-11-17 Thread Tony B
This has not been my experience. Just last month I recycled one of our old (2 yr) single core editing workstations for office use, having replaced it with a dual core. There's simply no way anyone can discern faster gui responses between these machines. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Jeff

Re: [CGUYS] Slightly OT--Taping over Mini DV cassettes

2008-11-17 Thread Richard P.
Our rule of thumb for Sony BetaCam cassettes was 100 passes before automatic replacement. You can always check with the manufacturer for the official specs. As long as error free record/playback is not your goal, you can experiment with it. The dropouts will show up long before the tape self

Re: [CGUYS] Network wiring

2008-11-17 Thread Larry Sacks
That's another possibility. But which ones *really* work? There's lots and lots of antennas out there and they're trying to avoid buying one of everything on the market. Most of what we've seen in the various computer stores are the smaller antennas to boost signal strength across

Re: [CGUYS] Network wiring

2008-11-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Besides Yagi, a few of the big companies (linksys, Dlink etc.) sell outside mounted, antenna access points for situations such as yours. There is also the possibility of using a couple of wireless repeaters between the house and other building. One in the garage (which simply must be plugged

Re: [CGUYS] quad core graphics?

2008-11-17 Thread db
As previously noted my Dell DuoCore has lost its latency snap... as is the case with so many people's computers. Haven't had the time to dig deep and find the cause(s). It's not that much faster than my 6 yr old AMD Tbird chip Reloading the computer is only a temporary fix. Creaping Sludge is

Re: [CGUYS] Antivirus

2008-11-17 Thread Tom Piwowar
Now i have Norton and it's about ready to expire. I don't think i need all what they have bundled in their lowest update because it's just one computer not heavily used. It seems like Norton is only trying to appeal to people hooked to a network. BitDefender sells a 3 pack for $30/year (that

Re: [CGUYS] Network wiring

2008-11-17 Thread Larry Sacks
$500 a pair? I already know the next question that I'll get ... is there a lower budget solution? They just shelled out several thousand to get their driveway paved over (apparently the gravel driveway was no longer acceptable) so their budget is somewhat limited. Larry -Original

Re: [CGUYS] Network wiring

2008-11-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
NO! Every method we have mentioned is a three figure solution (Those Yagi Antennas can be quite expensive.) Check out the site Tom sent you. It allows you to do it over the existing phone line that connects the two. Networking is not cheap!! Stewart At 07:15 PM 11/17/2008, you

Re: [CGUYS] quad core graphics?

2008-11-17 Thread Tom Piwowar
I can't give you exact details, I only have to go on what he tells me. He typically works with multi-hundred MB graphic files that open and save much more quickly, as well as conversion work, such as saving one of these files to a different file format or a pdf, takes less time. He's shown me

[CGUYS] home phone wires

2008-11-17 Thread RLeeSimon
I've got 2 lines phone wired throughout the house ...I am consisdering closing out all the landlines ...to what use could those wires be or just remain as mouse fodder? ...one thing I have considered (we are gonna remain with 2 cell phones) is to add another cellular line and use the cordless

Re: [CGUYS] yes or no to mcafee

2008-11-17 Thread Ellen Rains Harris
Probably. - Original Message - From: RLeeSimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:13 PM Subject: [CGUYS] yes or no to mcafee I just got comcast internet snail plan (768up) which is ok for me having had dialup (56k but really

[CGUYS] better

2008-11-17 Thread RLeeSimon
How come my IBM ThinkpadX31 PM1.4 2gb ram (but the same was true before I upgraded from 1gb ram) with exactly the same stuff running (except for lots of ibm stuff extra) runs and performs sooo much better than my Dell PIV2(w/intel speed boost) 1gb ram (max it will take) running the same but none

Re: [CGUYS] ridda aol yeecch!

2008-11-17 Thread RLeeSimon
So what's better that also will sync with pda and palm and fone? -Original Message- From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: Re: ridda aol yeecch! You obviously haven't used Outlook this century. Outlook 2007 is very stable and

Re: [CGUYS] Network wiring

2008-11-17 Thread Vicky Staubly
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Larry Sacks wrote: $500 a pair? I already know the next question that I'll get ... is there a lower budget solution? They just shelled out several thousand to get their driveway paved over (apparently the gravel driveway was no longer acceptable) so their budget is

Re: [CGUYS] Network wiring

2008-11-17 Thread Steve Rigby
On Nov 17, 2008, at 5:50 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Besides Yagi, a few of the big companies (linksys, Dlink etc.) sell outside mounted, antenna access points for situations such as yours. Yagi is a type of antenna, not a company. A yagi is often called beam antenna, though in

Re: [CGUYS] Network wiring

2008-11-17 Thread Steve Rigby
On Nov 17, 2008, at 8:25 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: NO! Every method we have mentioned is a three figure solution (Those Yagi Antennas can be quite expensive.) Not at all. One can obtain for less than $90 pretty good dish type unidirectional antennas for 2.4 or 5 GHz wireless

Re: [CGUYS] Network wiring

2008-11-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I know there should have been a comma there. The big companies such as Dlink and Linksys make outside mountable high dbi antennas for transmitting wireless signals. Comma belonged between Yagi (which is a beam antenna) and big. An example of a Yagi antenna is the ones I used to mount on the

Re: [CGUYS] Network wiring

2008-11-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Plus you need to have router on one end, and a receiver on ten other end. Many of the new routers (have you looked at them lately) are not using external antennas. Plus leads and a mount for your particular antennas etc. etc. It all adds up to over $100.00 to set up. (router $50-$70

Re: [CGUYS] Network wiring

2008-11-17 Thread Tom Piwowar
$500 a pair? I already know the next question that I'll get ... is there a lower budget solution? String and 2 tin cans. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a

Re: [CGUYS] Network wiring

2008-11-17 Thread Tom Piwowar
One can obtain for less than $90 pretty good dish type unidirectional antennas for 2.4 or 5 GHz wireless systems. But how well will it work when it rains or snows? Check it out and see if you can live with that. * **

Re: [CGUYS] quad core graphics?

2008-11-17 Thread Tom Piwowar
Yeah, I know that, but this is with systems that have a new or recent install of the OS on them. The dual cores blow them away for system responsiveness. Period. You work on enough systems and those compounded seconds give me far more than a minute back. Add up the total for the staff and

Re: [CGUYS] Network wiring

2008-11-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
What Tom is trying to say in his usual fashion is you get what you pay for in this case. Cutting the corners on setting up a long distance networking situation guarantees you connection problems. drop outs etc. etc. The best routers out there are the gaming routers and they all run above

Re: [CGUYS] home phone wires

2008-11-17 Thread Tom Piwowar
I've got 2 lines phone wired throughout the house ...I am consisdering closing out all the landlines ...to what use could those wires be or just remain as mouse fodder? Connect the wired lines to VOIP? Or did you get rid of DSL too?

Re: [CGUYS] quad core graphics?

2008-11-17 Thread Tom Piwowar
Add to that the increasing magnitude of online mutli-media content and the single-core argument falls flat on it's face. Try and view the Met's new online HD broadcasts of its operas with a older or single-core machine. It'll choke. For that the vendors have a new trick to get you to part with

Re: [CGUYS] We Are Not Being Ignored -- ObamaCTO.org

2008-11-17 Thread mike
Well it would, just goes to the point. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or a cult of personality.. Looks like sour grapes to me. * ** List info, subscription management, list