>But are you saying that you manufacture hardware, and that you test every
>function of every hardware component that you purchase from third parties?
>Because that is what we're talking about. If so, your company is one in a
>million and I salute you.
See, that is the corruptive result of MS's bu
>Tom will tell you they are more expensive, but when I check, crucial beats
>datamem's prices.
When I checked, Crucial's prices they were high, sometimes very high. I
think it is silly to overpay when there is no difference in the product.
For years Crucial has claimed "special sauce" and I thin
>One of these days I'm going to replace it. I'd like to put together a
>Hackintosh.
That would be fun, but definitely something done for entertainment
purposes. If you have several computers you can easy tolerate having one
weird one.
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>I've been "hanging back" for over three weeks. Should I go with one or
>both of them or continue to hang back? Comment are welcome from everyone.
I'm holding. Maybe I'll wait for the next one.
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>The same company lets it's code out before testing it, letting us test it
>for them. That's the point, you keep twisting it into Apple's favor because
>you can't see anything but that soft glow from Steve Jobs' eyes. And I
>never said they had poor software, that's your tactic. I said very clea
>>i seem to have misplaced my instruction booklet.
Google: quattro pro manual filetype:pdf
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>Yes I read it. As I said in the Post Script: I tried sending
>it in plain text from the web site and received the same bounced mail
>error message. I will continue to check out the web site to see if
>there is a way to change how it sends my email
If you are getting bounced with th
>The thing is, I don't have many (or even any) songs that would sell
>for $1.29 if I bought them after the switch. The newest thing I have
>is from '07, and quite a few from the 80s. I'm sure they would sell
>for $.69. They should give me a credit! (-:
The question to ask is: what would MS d
>Or you just use the cdr method to readjust your library :)
Only if you don't mind a significant loss of music quality.
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About half of the email I'm getting from ComputerGuys is being marked with SPAM
tags (my other listservs as well). Our IT director said I need to change my
Spam preferences in Outlook. What I don't understand is why email from the
same source would have different Spam levels.
tia.
david
Today Reuters is running a story about Verizon's "long-term partnership"
with MS. From what I've seen in the past such deals often require the
"partner" to adjust their systems so that they work with one particuar
set of protocols to the exclusion of open standards. This may be the
cause of you
A year isn't usually described as 'momentary' and once again you take it
where I wasn't going to try and make some crazy point. It's laughable to
think that every iteration of OS X was a 'major' release. The reason Apple
can stay ahead of malware writers is because there are none being written,
e
Quoting Tom Piwowar :
The thing is, I don't have many (or even any) songs that would sell
for $1.29 if I bought them after the switch. The newest thing I have
The question to ask is: what would MS do?
With the Zune store they abandoned all their previous customers so
Ya see, Tom, this is wh
You mean zero loss?
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
> >Or you just use the cdr method to readjust your library :)
>
> Only if you don't mind a significant loss of music quality.
>
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Tom can turn a conversation about birds of the amazon into MS bashing.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Reid Katan wrote:
> Quoting Tom Piwowar :
>
> The thing is, I don't have many (or even any) songs that would sell
>>> for $1.29 if I bought them after the switch. The newest thing I have
>>>
>
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Quoting Tom Piwowar :
One of these days I'm going to replace it. I'd like to put together a
Hackintosh.
That would be fun, but definitely something done for entertainment
purposes. If you have several computers you can easy tolerate having one
weird one.
What's so weird about a computer that
> The company that assembles a product is responsible for every part in
> that product
OK, so you DO think that Apple tests their Intel CPUs to exhaustion and
would have caught the math bug that nobody else did. (But I'm sure that is
different...somehow...)
> When a bridge falls down and familie
As a Verizon subscriber, I have had repeated issues with Comcast
(Optonline) and a few other ISPs rejecting all of my mail with very
little explanation. Only by pushing on Verizon service people can I get
them to contact the ISPs and have them turn of the spam filters that are
rejecting everyth
Because Apple doesn't like it's OS on white boxes. To get OS X on a non
apple machine you need to either get or hack yourself an OS X install. Last
two times I did that, I couldn't get sound working even though I had the
exact hardware specified.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Reid Katan wrote
Use http://www.techbargains.com for comparison shopping of memory prices.
Scroll down left margin.
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>From my experience with the list, WFB's too often think talking about
birds of the Amazon is MS bashing.
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Tom can turn a conversation about birds of the amazon into MS bashing.
Spam filters don't just take into account the source. They also count
things like content - e.g. key words. These days most ISPs use spam
filters too, so these may be marked before you even get them. Which I
guess is why he's telling you to adjust Outlook not to automatically
throw away marked spam
Thanks. I've always had my Junk Mail setting set to "Don't automatically
filter."
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I second Crucial.
db
I second both Datamem and Crucial, and nominate OtherWorld. All have
good products. Buy from any one of them. My last online RAM purchase for
a PC was from datamem where I saved about 50% over Crucial. Depends on
the rate of the day. Sometimes Crucial is less, but that'
Tom Piwowar wrote:
Or you just use the cdr method to readjust your library :)
Only if you don't mind a significant loss of music quality.
I suppose iTunes Store justifies the $0.30 charge by the increased audio
fidelity of the iTunes Plus file you wind up with. To my ex-audiophile
>Yes I read it. As I said in the Post Script: I tried sending
>it in plain text from the web site and received the same bounced mail
>error message. I will continue to check out the web site to see if
>there is a way to change how it sends my email
If you are getting bounced with t
Exactly, the people buying songs on itunes aren't exactly the true
audioheads anyway. You get the same quality you put in when you process the
itunes music this way, nothing is lost.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:42 AM, John Settle wrote:
> Tom Piwowar wrote:
>
>> Or you just use the cdr method to r
>Cool, add collapsing bridges to your previous examples of crashing
>airplanes, burning buildings, and failing cardiac resuscitators. Next at
>bat: defective elevator cables!
>It appears to be beyond your comprehension that MP3 players do not have the
>same fail-safe requirements as these.
Nonese
>Exactly, the people buying songs on itunes aren't exactly the true
>audioheads anyway. You get the same quality you put in when you process the
>itunes music this way, nothing is lost.
That is not true. The audio is going through 2 stages of lossy
compression. It comes out degraded.
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>I don't think it's the Verizon outgoing server, since I use that
>sometimes when the ES/UK server is slow.
I don't think we are discussing the Verizon SMTP server. This is about
the Verizon web mail client.
You would be right that the SMTP server is not going to change the
messages MIME type.
>As a Verizon subscriber, I have had repeated issues with Comcast
>(Optonline) and a few other ISPs rejecting all of my mail with very
>little explanation. Only by pushing on Verizon service people can I get
>them to contact the ISPs and have them turn of the spam filters that are
>rejecting ev
>What's so weird about a computer that has the ability to run OSX? It
>doesn't *have to*. It'll still run Linux, or Vista .
Yesterday I was a a client who has virtualized almost everything in their
operation. They have one big Toshiba box that supplies virtual drives on
demand and a Sun surve
>> It appears to be beyond your comprehension that MP3 players do not
>> have the same fail-safe requirements as these.
>
> Nonesense [sic]. I reject your weaseling excuses
OK, MP3 players have the same fail-safe requirements as 747s. My bad. Don't
know what I could've been thinking.
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The first draft of a shell script I wrote yesterday went into an infinite
loop. We all laughed and declared: "Oops I made a Zune."
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>I'm currently using Toast Titanium 7.1.3.
I tend to update Toast only when I have to. A while back I needed to
create an SVCD so they got my money. Is there any special function you
need that v 7 won't accomplish?
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Arstechnica.com reports that they screwed up the activation keys.
Of course it doesn't matter. Its not like a computer OS were a bridge or
a piece of medical equipment.
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machines at the CPU level. Seems to me at this rate, we'll be back at dummy
terminals in no time.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
> >What's so weird about a computer that has the ability to run OSX?
>About half of the email I'm getting from ComputerGuys is being marked with
>SPAM tags (my other listservs as well). Our IT director said I need to
>change my Spam preferences in Outlook. What I don't understand is why
>email from the same source would have different Spam levels.
Your IT guy
um...no it's not. If I have an audio track at 320kbits...it will be burned
at that rate, or rather at that quality. When it's ripped again, you can
rip it FLAC and keep every bit of it. Now you end up with a larger file,
but you haven't lost any quality.
Even aside from that, there are tools ga
mike wrote:
You get the same quality you put in when you process the
itunes music this way, nothing is lost.
Mike,
I can't agree with that statement. The MP3 format is a "lossy"
compression format so there is a loss in quality and actual data. What I
will agree with, is that for me and
As someone who installed hundreds of sticks of memory / year for years,
it was my experience that there is different levels of quality of
memory and you pay for the difference... but not much in the case of
Crucial since it is the retail arm of Micron one of the largest mem
manufacturers in
Tom's point was that there would be MORE loss then the original encoding of
the song by Apple or whomever. If you take a 320kbit data stream and put it
on a cdr uncompressed you've lost nothing. Then rip it with a lossless
encoder (flac) then again, you've lost nothing. However you do take a hit
>Ya see, Tom, this is why (almost) nobody takes you seriously. Only
>*you* can turn a discussion about iTunes into MS bashing.
I was not bashing MS. I just stated how they handled a similar situation.
My post was one factual statement after another. If there was any MS
bashing involved it must
Maybe we should have engineers build betas of bridges and stuff.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
> Arstechnica.com reports that they screwed up the activation keys.
>
> Of course it doesn't matter. Its not like a computer OS were a bridge or
> a piece of medical equipment.
>
I don't believe you at all...there is no way more then two people in any
room even know what a zune is. :p
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
> The first draft of a shell script I wrote yesterday went into an infinite
> loop. We all laughed and declared: "Oops I made a Zune."
>
> Arstechnica.com reports that they screwed up the activation keys.
Yawn.
We can trust you to misstate pretty much everything. It does get old,
though, a little.
They didn't "screw up the keys". The problem isn't in the keys. Or in
Windows. The problem is in the servers getting the keys to the
mike wrote:
Tom's point was that there would be MORE loss then the original encoding of
the song by Apple or whomever. If you take a 320kbit data stream and put it
on a cdr uncompressed you've lost nothing. Then rip it with a lossless
encoder (flac) then again, you've lost nothing. However you
>They didn't "screw up the keys". The problem isn't in the keys. Or in
>Windows. The problem is in the servers getting the keys to the beta testers.
Finger pointing. Did they subcontract the servers to somebody working out
of a grass shack in Bangalore so it is somebody elses's fault?
It is note
>Tom's point was that there would be MORE loss then the original encoding of
>the song by Apple or whomever. If you take a 320kbit data stream and put it
>on a cdr uncompressed you've lost nothing. Then rip it with a lossless
>encoder (flac) then again, you've lost nothing. However you do take a
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
> >They didn't "screw up the keys". The problem isn't in the keys. Or in
> >Windows. The problem is in the servers getting the keys to the beta
> testers.
>
> Finger pointing. Did they subcontract the servers to somebody working out
> of a grass
>Maybe we should have engineers build betas of bridges and stuff.
They do. Much of this work is now done as a computer simulation, but
physical models are also constructed. Sometimes in minature and sometimes
a particular component at full or near full size. If you look carefully
at constructio
You are like the the Fonz...'i was wrr...wrrr...wr'. Except not as
cool.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
> >Tom's point was that there would be MORE loss then the original encoding
> of
> >the song by Apple or whomever. If you take a 320kbit data stream and put
> it
> >o
>OK, MP3 players have the same fail-safe requirements as 747s. My bad. Don't
>know what I could've been thinking.
I did not ever use the word "failsafe." You are once again trying to drag
the discussion to a nutty place.
Previously you tried to sell the idea that because it was not possible to
Uh huhjust down the road they built three beta bridges, had people drive
across, when the bridge went down they figured they better redo it.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
> >Maybe we should have engineers build betas of bridges and stuff.
>
> They do. Much of this work i
> Finger pointing. Did they subcontract the servers to somebody working
> out
> of a grass shack in Bangalore so it is somebody elses's fault?
>
> It is noteworthy because it is the first public appearance of Windows 7
> and MS couldn't be bothered to get it right. The word I used previously
> was
> Too bad. It seems like this could be a decent windows release.
Again, this has nothing to do with Windows. It's a problem with the
subscription servers sending keys to the beta testers, and it's most likely
fixed already.
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And they could still use windows even without the keys.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:
> > Too bad. It seems like this could be a decent windows release.
>
> Again, this has nothing to do with Windows. It's a problem with the
> subscription servers sending keys to the beta
windowsfudfiles.com is reporting Microsofts 2nd major blunder in the windows
7 release...a user reportedly used the delete key when he meant to hit
shift...reports to soon follow. This report along with the activation keys
being found in an unlocked case in Syria are sure signs to a horrible
relea
Why is it that servers not getting activation keys to the beta testers
does not counts as "screwing up the activation keys"? The phrase
simply says that there was a problem with the keys, not that the
wrong keys were sent.
Also, if you want to compare MS to Apple, the proper comparison is
OS vs
How about complaining about a product you get for free? When you aren't
even one of the people getting the product?
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 2:44 PM, David K Watson wrote:
> Why is it that servers not getting activation keys to the beta testers
> does not counts as "screwing up the activation keys
They would run a complete test! Might forget to check to see if it works
with the letter 'e' though...it'll be alright.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
> >http://tinyurl.com/8x53o8
>
> Would MS test the button? (If they had one.)
>
>
> ***
A few people with certain configurations had problems with doing
the Leopard update via Software Update. This has presumably
been fixed. If you are worried about this, download the update
from Apple and use that instead. If you are really worried, back
up your system first. Aside from that, I
Vicky,
Thanks. I happened to just find this on Tuesday when I
googled "Linux PPC"
I'm sure I'll be looking for of your advice as I start working with Linux.
Thanks again,
Steve
Vicky Staubly wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009, Vicky Staubly wrote:
One more interesting link is
http://www.p
I'm not "complaining about a product you get for free" that I
don't even get. That would be Tom (about windows 7 beta)
and Chris (about MobileMe). Tom at least has the excuse
that he supports many Windows machines and needs to
know what is coming down the pipe.
What I did was to first point out
It's a good thing that Apple is so good at this kind of thing,
otherwise
they might also have had server problems rolling out new products.
Hey, wait
a minute!
Isn't this a big stretch, comparing the somewhat routine operation of
serving product activation keys with Apple's launch of a brand
One of the problems that Microsoft has been hampered with over the
past few years is that they seem to be more reactive than proactive
and this has been shown in how they respond.
It seems to me that this is reflected not in Bill Gates, but in Steve
Ballmer who has been CEO of Microsoft since
> Also, if you want to compare MS to Apple, the proper comparison is
> OS vs OS.
Not if the problem isn't in the OS, which it wasn't. The problem had nothing
to do with Windows whatsoever. It was in the servers delivering keys to the
beta testers.
Not to mention that you don't need the key anywa
> Isn't this a big stretch, comparing the somewhat routine operation of
> serving product activation keys with Apple's launch of a brand new,
> fairly sophisticated product
You mean like equating temporarily hung MP3 players to crashing jumbo jets
and collapsing bridges? :)
Incidentally, none of
I was looking at upgrading the memory for my wife's 1.67GHz PowerBook
G4. Crucial recommends DDR2 PC2-5300, while OWC and DMS both have the
DDR2 PC2-4200, which is the type of the memory that is in her computer now.
Does anyone know why this variation is OK?
I don't know how it would come out i
I am the original poster of this thread. Thanks to all who replied to
my questions.
In case anyone cares,
(1) Crucial.com lists memory for the HP Pavillion a6600z for $23 for 2
GB card;
(2) datamem.com does not sell memory for HP a6600z;
(3) haven't looked at OtherWorld yet;
(4) after
PC2-5300 is actually faster than 4200. Memory can slow itself for
the buss but can never speed itself up to match a buss speed.
I also am not sure that they sell PC2-4200 memory much anymore. Most
of what I see starts at 5300 and it is relatively cheap.
Stewart
At 06:22 PM 1/8/2009, you w
>Not if the problem isn't in the OS, which it wasn't. The problem had nothing
>to do with Windows whatsoever. It was in the servers delivering keys to the
>beta testers.
Again, you play with words attempting to disclaim responsibility. To
assert that the product activation mechanism has "nothing
Tom Piwowar
>>OK, MP3 players have the same fail-safe requirements
>>as 747s. My bad. Don't know what I could've been thinking.
> I did not ever use the word "failsafe." You are once again
> trying to drag the discussion to a nutty place.
> Previously you tried to sell the idea that because it wa
> Can I buy Windows without activation? No, it is all one part
> of the Windows gulag. And the botched it.
You aren't really paying attention, are you? This has ONLY to do with beta
testers getting keys online. It has nothing to do with consumer purchases.
Consumers don't get keys this way.
I think the interesting part here is that MS is accepting below par
work from vendors.
It fits in exactly with what I said, they are being reactive instead
of proactive. It is also the sign of management problems.
I did a little reading of Steve Ballmers Bio and it is interesting to
say the
They also didn't apparently use that CPU in the next gen, not sure what
toshiba did since all their players were affected also, but I believe they
sold even less of those then the zune.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote:
> Tom Piwowar
> >>OK, MP3 players have the same fail-
>Also, if you want to compare MS to Apple, the proper comparison is
>OS vs OS. Funnily enough, OS X doesn't have activation keys.
Yes, OS X is truly a deficient operating system. As everybody knows, what
customers all want is more Windows features, like activation keys,
product assurance hoops,
> I think the blame is being placed incorrectly. It seems that
> the code in question was part of a library licensed/purchased
> by MS to develop the Zune? That library functionality didn't
> have enough unit tests to test for correct functionality. I
> don't see any reason to believe that MS sh
The Zune was just a rebranded gigabeat from Toshiba. It wasn't even as
simple as buying one component off the shelf, they bought the whole thing
from Toshiba.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I think the interesting part here is that MS is
>The Zune was just a rebranded gigabeat from Toshiba. It wasn't even as
>simple as buying one component off the shelf, they bought the whole thing
>from Toshiba.
Next our WFBs will assert that MS isn't responsible for anything because
the company is really operated by commands beamed in from Alp
>I think the blame is being placed incorrectly. It seems that
>the code in question was part of a library licensed/purchased
>by MS to develop the Zune? That library functionality didn't
>have enough unit tests to test for correct functionality. I
>don't see any reason to believe that MS should
This stupid thread has gone on far longer than the life of the product I think.
MS screwed up. We all know it.
There was a time when Apple was screwing up for the same
reasons. They lost the vision their founder started them with and he
had to come back to rescue them.
I have already point
>Crucial sells only "first drawer" and in my experience their memory's
>performance and failure rate easily attests to that. I imagine Micron
>sells it 3rd drawer productn unbranded or rebranded thru external channels
That is certainly the Crucial fable.
In 25 years of working with computers I
I think you need to take a breath there big guy, calm down...easy. Hate to
see how you react when something important comes up. Just mentioned that
Toshiba had the same issue cause it was the same product...easy, Tom.
Yer gonna give yourself an aneuryism.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Tom Piw
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:03:14 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote:
>>Ya see, Tom, this is why (almost) nobody takes you seriously. Only
>>*you* can turn a discussion about iTunes into MS bashing.
>
>I was not bashing MS. I just stated how they handled a similar situation.
>My post was one factual statement
I can agree with the problem not being with the OS to a certain
extent, but having a problem with mis- or un-served activation
keys is only an issue if your product needs them in the first place.
Windows needs them, OS X doesn't. Don't ascribe this to
hardware lock-in either, my old desktop ran t
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:22:51 -0500, Jordan wrote:
>I was looking at upgrading the memory for my wife's 1.67GHz PowerBook
>G4. Crucial recommends DDR2 PC2-5300, while OWC and DMS both have the
> [. . .]
>I don't know how it would come out including shipping costs, but
>Crucial's price was as g
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:41:06 -0700, mike wrote:
>Because Apple doesn't like it's OS on white boxes. To get OS X on a non
But I was going to put it in a black box. Is that okay? (-:
>apple machine you need to either get or hack yourself an OS X install. Last
>two times I did that, I couldn't get
What is this that creeps showing in my computer sayuing that
Sysfading can not close?...
Something new...
Marcio
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Are you saying that because Tom made a wild comparison,
its fine if you do it? Didn't your momma ever tell you that just
because somebody else does it, doesn't mean that it's OK
for you to do it? :))
Turning a little more serious again, while Tom may just possibly
be a wee bit extreme in compar
Many of the pros and enthusiasts I know find even
digital CD's painful to listen to.
Some CDs are painful. Others sound really good on
a good system, it's not necessarily the medium. The
most important considerations are related to how the
recording was engineered and mastered. All CDs are
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I could see this being a problem if somehow end users who bought windows 7
couldn't get it installed because an MS server was down. But to be clear,
this is a beta for developers etc, it didn't need the activation keys to
install it or run it for days at least, and it was free to try. The
activati
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