Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread mike
I signed up for the free two weeks...basically five bux a month for unlimited music...can't beat that with a stick. On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Why has every attempt to date at selling such a subscription service been a flop You might mention

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Anyone ever rented records, CDs, ... Ever wanted to? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I am humbled... http://gizmodo.com/5256174/new-zune-ad-obliterated-because-you-know-its -stupid * ** List info,

Re: [CGUYS] I wonder

2009-05-19 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
So, I guess the cons/neocons don't say Better dead than Red! anymore? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I may have mixed up my colors, ... Yeah, I do that too. It's the exact opposite of what you'd expect as far as the colors' symbolism. Blue is liberal and red is

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
It appears that this model is not very strong: http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/05/the-new-new-napster-intros-5m onth-streaming-5-downloads.ars Ars reports that Napster, now part of Best Buy, is selling similar (streaming) for $5/month, with 5 DRM-free d/l. They give it a yawn... Thank

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Chris Dunford
Anyone ever rented records, CDs, ... Ever wanted to? Anyone ever paid for XM/Sirius? What's the difference? (Well, other than that with Zune Pass you get to pick the music, you get to keep some of it permanently, and you don't have to buy special equipment to do it.) Or how about Rhapsody? It's

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
No, I just never liked the idea of renting, unless I really did want to leave the rental behind after a short period of time. No XM/Sirius for me, either and I don't pay for TV. I save most of my salary, spend only after careful consideration. I am mostly conservative with my money and avoid

Re: [CGUYS] I wonder

2009-05-19 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: If you still think Like Mac = Liberal then you have not been paying attention on this forum. Well, if this were actually true, MS's 90% market share (or whatever it is) would mean that ~90% of the electorate is

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Chris Dunford
No, I just never liked the idea of renting, unless I really did want to leave the rental behind after a short period of time. No XM/Sirius for me, either and I don't pay for TV. That's fine, Mark, but it's a far cry from Anyone ever rented records, CDs, ... Ever wanted to?, isn't it?

[CGUYS] Shifting DTV channels

2009-05-19 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
Anyone ever notice how every so often a DTV channel assignment will shift from displaying the channel number to displaying the channel frequency instead? For instance, yesterday DTV Channel 4 in the Washington DC metro area would not come up as Channel 4, but rather as Channel 48, which is

Re: [CGUYS] I wonder

2009-05-19 Thread Chris Dunford
Wait just a minute. A huge percentage of computers sold with the Windows OS installed are in business and government offices. It is quite possible that most Windows machines are not owned by individuals. Well, I don't know about that. The vast majority of people I know use PCs at home. My

Re: [CGUYS] Shifting DTV channels

2009-05-19 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
The old channel numbers are now just a label. That label will stick with the stations; although, the transmission channel used may be something else. 4 is in the low section of the VHF band and will not be used for Digital TV after July. The actual transmission channels will be 7 and above.

Re: [CGUYS] I wonder

2009-05-19 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
I think Chris is correct on this. I have met many conservatives who use Macs, liberals who use PCs and vice-versa. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- All I'm getting at is that I don't believe we can say Liberals use Macs and conservatives use PCs. That perception may be a side

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Not to me, Chris; I think of both as wasting money. No rented music for me, thank you. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- No, I just never liked the idea of renting, unless I really did want to leave the rental behind after a short period of time. No XM/Sirius for me,

Re: [CGUYS] I wonder

2009-05-19 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: All I'm getting at is that I don't believe we can say Liberals use Macs and conservatives use PCs. That perception may be a side effect of the image created by Apple's marketing (cool people are always liberal, of course),

Re: [CGUYS] Shifting DTV channels

2009-05-19 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:21 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: The old channel numbers are now just a label.  That label will stick with the stations; although, the transmission channel used may be something else.  4 is in the low section of the VHF band and will not be used

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
Are you guys really trying to say that this is a bad deal? If so, can you come up with any rational reason to say that other than it's an MS service? I recall that in the past this company has launched subscrption services and then withdrawn them, leaving subscribers high and dry. Is that why

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
I would be humbled, too, if I had read your little cartoon and didn't notice that it was lying. You didn't get the joke. Actually I'm a bit surprised at the generally hostile press/blogosphere reaction to this ad. I think the false notes struck by the Laptop Hunters ads has poisoned the well

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Roger D. Parish
At 7:50 AM -0400 5/19/09, Chris Dunford wrote: ... Or how about Rhapsody? It's about the same price as ZP but you don't get to keep ANY of the music. Unless you happen to have a copy of AudioHijackPro. ;-) -- Roger Lovettsville, VA

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Chris Dunford
And the proposition that somebody would spend $10,000s filling their iPod is so ridiculous. Sure, but how DO you fill a 120GB music device legally without spending a whole bunch of money? * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread mike
Similiar? The zune pass isn't streaming. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: It appears that this model is not very strong: http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/05/the-new-new-napster-intros-5m

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread mike
Every year we buy a 'pass' to a local wild life zoo...I see the subscription based music services similiar to that. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Not to me, Chris; I think of both as wasting money. No rented music for me, thank you.

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Chris Dunford
The CD I'm playing at the moment was purchased about 10 years ago. Checking online I see the list price for this boxed set is $71. I probably paid a bit less, I don't remember. It has 54 tracks, so I guess the Zune price is $81. So the Zune cost is higher by at least $10. At 10 tracks

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread mike
You don't. Tom is walking around with his zune and one cd he bought ten years ago On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: And the proposition that somebody would spend $10,000s filling their iPod is so ridiculous. Sure, but how DO you fill a 120GB music

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Do you buy (or rent) software to fill your computer's disk drive? Surely you don't, and I do not try to fill my iPod, either. That misses the point. I buy music that pleases me. Music I will want to hear again. Not just to fill up a storage device. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
That misses the point. I buy music that pleases me. Music I will want to hear again. Not just to fill up a storage device. My iPod's drive was too small to hold all the music I had accumulated over the years. Then I had to go back and delete stuff to make room for the free podcasts. Then I

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
Sure, but how DO you fill a 120GB music device legally without spending a whole bunch of money? It is not a music device. It is a media device. I can fill it with music videos, video podcasts, movies, etc. New TVs come with iPod docks so I can play all this content on their big screens.

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
The CD I'm playing at the moment was purchased about 10 years ago. Checking online I see the list price for this boxed set is $71. I probably paid a bit less, I don't remember. Amazon says my $71 boxed set is out of print, but lists a thrid-party seller willing to sell one to me for $142.

[CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
I saw my first passenger reading on a Kindle today on the Metro. Will this be a trend? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
This makes no sense. If you wanted the whole thing, and right away, you'd just buy the tracks. And the price per track isn't $1.50, it's 99c, so it would cost $53.46, not $81. That's $17.54 less than the CD list price. Would the $53.46 get credited against the $15/month or would I still have to

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Chris Dunford
Would the $53.46 get credited against the $15/month or would I still have to pay that additionally? $53.46 + $15 = $68.46. No. You can't add the $15 to the price because that pays for your 10 OTHER free tracks plus access to the entire library. Or get 10 of the tracks for nothing and only buy

Re: [CGUYS] Shifting DTV channels

2009-05-19 Thread Vicky Staubly
On Tue, 19 May 2009, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:21 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: The old channel numbers are now just a label.  That label will stick with the stations; although, the transmission channel used may be something else.  4 is in the

Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-19 Thread Michael Drabick
Pardon my ignorance,but what is a Kindle? Tom Piwowar wrote: I saw my first passenger reading on a Kindle today on the Metro. Will this be a trend? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives,

Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-19 Thread Richard P.
A friend of ours loves it and won't do without it. We prefer non-electronic books ourselves. Easier to read and they don't break when you fall asleep reading and drop them : )) Richard P. I saw my first passenger reading on a Kindle today on the Metro. Will this be a trend?

Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-19 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Michael Drabick m.drab...@hdhcci.comwrote: Pardon my ignorance,but what is a Kindle? Amazon's eBook reader. A great looking gadget with a price about 3X too much. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00154JDAI/?tag=googhydr-20hvadid=ref=pd_sl_177pa6cuyf_e -- John

Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-19 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Richard P. richs...@gmail.com wrote: A friend of ours loves it and won't do without it. We prefer non-electronic books ourselves. Easier to read and they don't break when you fall asleep reading and drop them : )) I think the real boon will be the Kindle DX

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: And the proposition that somebody would spend $10,000s filling their iPod is so ridiculous. Sure, but how DO you fill a 120GB music device legally without spending a whole bunch of money? I converted my CD

[CGUYS] AVG found Touchstone Software driveragent_488.exe

2009-05-19 Thread Richard P.
AVG found Touchstone Software driveragent_488.exe during today's scan. It found it in a junk file where I put all of the programs that came with the computer that I don't intend on using. It also found it in an Application Data folder. AVG says it is a Trojan horse SHeur2.AGFP Does anyone know if

Re: [CGUYS] AVG found Touchstone Software driveragent_488.exe

2009-05-19 Thread Chris Dunford
AVG found Touchstone Software driveragent_488.exe during today's scan. It found it in a junk file where I put all of the programs that came with the computer that I don't intend on using. It also found it in an Application Data folder. AVG says it is a Trojan horse SHeur2.AGFP Does anyone

Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-19 Thread Richard P.
I can see that would be a great use for them, especially if the electronic books would allow the updating of technical error corrections. Richard P. A friend of ours loves it and won't do without it. We prefer non-electronic books ourselves. Easier to read and they don't break when you fall

Re: [CGUYS] AVG found Touchstone Software driveragent_488.exe

2009-05-19 Thread Richard P.
Thanks for the feedback. To my knowledge, I've never used it either. It is a comfort to know that it is not going to take over my machine in the middle of the night and make life a living . Richard P. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: AVG found

Re: [CGUYS] I wonder

2009-05-19 Thread Jeff Miles
I've been doing a lot of traveling lately. I've been using many airports and ferries. I've also been paying attention to the laptops people are using. While I know the Mac market share is approaching 10% I found it strange the about 50% of the laptops I saw where Macs. Could be Mac users

Re: [CGUYS] I wonder

2009-05-19 Thread Matthew Taylor
I work at a community college. Well over half the laptops I see students sitting around with are Macs. ISTR reading a year ago that Macs dominated the market for college age student/family purchased (as opposed to college issued - there are some that do) laptops were Macs. In my social

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Stephen Brownfield
I fill my iPod with primarily Podcasts (they are FREE). I don't think I've spent $50 in the last 4 years on music from the iTunes store. All my music is legal downloads or from CD/cassettes/LPs that I own. Steve Chris Dunford wrote: And the proposition that somebody would spend $10,000s

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Jeff Miles
I think it goes to show that everyone has their own likes. I have no problem with that. I just visited Victoria Canada and would buy a years pass to the Buchart Gardens. On the other hand I probably own 30 music CDs. I have friends who own hundreds. I own maybe 5 movies on DVD. My mother

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Stephen Brownfield
In an early post talk about comparing services. I think it should be noted that Zune Pass lets you keep 10 downloads a month, iTunes offers free downloads each week (mind, you can only download what they are offering for free).

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Stephen Brownfield
Chris, I may not be a doctor, but take a chill pill. I see the discussion as to the differences between service and which service is right for you. To do this fairly you need to look at all the costs of each service. Somebody mentioned a service similar to Zune Pass but only $5 a

Re: [CGUYS] Shifting DTV channels

2009-05-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
As I understand it, the label is a piece of data carried inside the digital TV signal. If your TV sees this label data, it will display it. Presumably, the data may have been missing or corrupted at times, and so your TV just displayed the channel number that would normally be at that frequency

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread mike
It would be a better deal for some, but the 5 dollar deal is only streaming music...no device support, nothing kept local. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Stephen Brownfield steveei...@verizon.netwrote: Chris, I may not be a doctor, but take a chill pill. I see the discussion as to

Re: [CGUYS] I wonder

2009-05-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
While I know the Mac market share is approaching 10% I found it strange the about 50% of the laptops I saw where Macs. Could be Mac users just like to travel more? Mac fans have said for many years that market share figures are slanted in favor of Windows because surverys measure the wrong

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
No, they don't roll over. Not good. There goes M$ again, cramming things down our throats even when we don't want them. Haven't they seen those clever ads about rollover minutes? * ** List info, subscription management,

Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs error

2009-05-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
When I right click on a link that turns out to be dead... and tell it to open in a new tab, it opens up a Can't find this page message... on every open window I have. I do have this happen from time to time, especially when I click on a string of news links from a news site. I have these open in

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread mike
Well anyone that would find it hard to buy ten songs a month...who bought into a service because they love getting new music, must have other issues we can't cover here without multiple therapists On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: No, they don't roll over. Not

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Chris Dunford
I may not be a doctor, but take a chill pill. I see the discussion as to the differences between service and which service is right for you. To do this fairly you need to look at all the costs of each service. Sorry. I couldn't agree more with deciding which service is right for you, and

Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad

2009-05-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
Well anyone that would find it hard to buy ten songs a month...who bought into a service because they love getting new music, must have other issues we can't cover here without multiple therapists Some months I can easily contemplate not hearing 10 new songs worth keeping. M$ tends to be a

Re: [CGUYS] I wonder

2009-05-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
And where are your surveys that they stay in service for twice as long? Please provide irrefutable evidence of your existence. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy,

Re: [CGUYS] I wonder

2009-05-19 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I AM. Therefore I exist. Stewart At 07:30 PM 5/19/2009, you wrote: And where are your surveys that they stay in service for twice as long? Please provide irrefutable evidence of your existence. * ** List info,

[CGUYS] Fwd: WSJ TECHNOLOGY ALERT: Microsoft Expected to Unveil New Search Engine

2009-05-19 Thread Fred Holmes
Reply-To: do-not-re...@marketwatchmail.com Subject: WSJ TECHNOLOGY ALERT: Microsoft Expected to Unveil New Search Engine Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:49:07 -0400 To: f...@his.com From: WSJ.com Editors acc...@interactive.wsj.com __ Technology Alert from The Wall Street

Re: [CGUYS] Shifting DTV channels

2009-05-19 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: How are you seeing this? When I press 4 on my DTV converter's remote I get NBC in DC. Do you have to press 48 to see NBC? When you press the next and previus channel buttons do you not get the stations in the usual order?

Re: [CGUYS] Shifting DTV channels

2009-05-19 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Vicky Staubly vi...@steeds.com wrote: As I understand it, the label is a piece of data carried inside the digital TV signal. If your TV sees this label data, it will display it. Presumably, the data may have been missing or corrupted at times, and so your TV

Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-19 Thread b_s-wilk
A friend of ours loves it and won't do without it. We prefer non-electronic books ourselves. Easier to read and they don't break when you fall asleep reading and drop them : )) Paperbacks don't break when they get wet either, or when they get sand or dirt inside. I like to read books, then

Re: [CGUYS] I wonder

2009-05-19 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I AM. Therefore I exist. I think therefore I am, I think. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info,