Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks

2009-09-29 Thread b_s-wilk
> > What do you really want/need? An ultra-mobile PC or a small notebook? > *That's a very good question and not really sure of the difference. Think > a small notebook though. * > * The original small hand-held PCs with 4 to 7 inch displays that came out at some 3 or 4 years ago were mo

Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks

2009-09-29 Thread Ranbo
> *That's a very good question and not really sure of the difference. Think > a small notebook though. * > *Randall > * > > What do you really want/need? An ultra-mobile PC or a small notebook? > > > > * > ** List in

Re: [CGUYS] Apple pushes unwanted enterprise tool to Windows users

2009-09-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Agreed every time I have Itunes update I have to turn off the Itunes software that interfaces with MP3 players. No option to not turn them off, I have to go into MSconfig and turn them off. Almost as bad as realplayer. Stewart At 02:41 PM 9/29/2009, you wrote: No, for both those examples I

Re: [CGUYS] Apple pushes unwanted enterprise tool to Windows users

2009-09-29 Thread Tony B
No, for both those examples I *want* updates to install with virtually no user interaction. Ditto Windows itself. And, for internet-facing machines, Quicktime also, but this is where the problem lies. QT doesn't just quietly keep itself updated. Instead, it uses this Apple updater which gets in you

Re: [CGUYS] Apple pushes unwanted enterprise tool to Windows users

2009-09-29 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, mike wrote: > Let's be clear. The complaint wasn't about updating software currently on > your system, it was about trying to install programs that you do not have > and are completely unrelated to what you do have already installed. > > I've never owned a pc bu

Re: [CGUYS] Apple pushes unwanted enterprise tool to Windows users

2009-09-29 Thread David K Watson
Late to the party here, but: First of all, it's a tiny little application, and is practically an iTunes plugin. Future versions of iTunes will likely have it built in and you'd never notice it unless you needed it. Do you complain this much every time Firefox updates itself unnecessarily?

Re: [CGUYS] Apple pushes unwanted enterprise tool to Windows users

2009-09-29 Thread b_s-wilk
Are you saying the HP you owned would install NEW software you did not already have installed or was updating software on your system already? Also, there is a very easy solution to these so called undocumented programs...hit the start button. The Windows PCs don't have a list of preinstalled s

Re: [CGUYS] Apple pushes unwanted enterprise tool to Windows users

2009-09-29 Thread db
How and why did they do that? db Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: Actually, on PC's that update request (or automatic) is a function of how one installed the Apple app in the first place. (It became VERY evident to those using Palm Pre's when Apple decided to "update" software to render P

Re: [CGUYS] Apple pushes unwanted enterprise tool to Windows users

2009-09-29 Thread mike
Let's be clear. The complaint wasn't about updating software currently on your system, it was about trying to install programs that you do not have and are completely unrelated to what you do have already installed. I've never owned a pc built by HP or Dell or anyone else, I've always built my pc

Re: [CGUYS] Apple pushes unwanted enterprise tool to Windows users

2009-09-29 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
Actually, on PC's that update request (or automatic) is a function of how one installed the Apple app in the first place. (It became VERY evident to those using Palm Pre's when Apple decided to "update" software to render Palm's connectivity impossible.) Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply fro

Re: [CGUYS] Apple pushes unwanted enterprise tool to Windows users

2009-09-29 Thread b_s-wilk
Yet again. If this were MS pulling this stunt, they would certainly be pilloried. And probably sued by the EU. Where's the outrage here? I'm outraged that some Windows programs update without informing users! And our HP notebook came with dozens of undocumented programs installed, not even a l

Re: [CGUYS] Why not Dell?

2009-09-29 Thread Paul Cannon
correction Gordon not Martin portrayed by Michael Douglas Carl Fox is played by Martin Sheen (taking a guess where you got Martin from?) On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 06:53:32AM -0500, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: > It is not just a business but a whole culture that has problems. > > Even Apple got int

Re: [CGUYS] Why not Dell?

2009-09-29 Thread Chris Dunford
> > That's not "Dell", it's embezzlement by Dell employees. When you say > > something like "Corporation ABC > has a history of ..." you're implying that the corporation itself has done > something bad (like, > > say, marketing cigarettes to minors when you know they cause cancer). > > That's cl

Re: [CGUYS] Apple pushes unwanted enterprise tool to Windows users

2009-09-29 Thread Paul Cannon
Would you stamp your feet if everytime you walked into Safeway with an empty shopping and Safeway filled it with Pepsi or Coke and left you with the task of unloading the cart? The proper method would be to leave the box unchecked by default since it is not an update but rather an install. Sinc

Re: [CGUYS] Why not Dell?

2009-09-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
It is not just a business but a whole culture that has problems. Even Apple got into the boat when they admitted that they backdated options to senior management to maximize their monies. It is as old as man and it is called greed. Remember the movie Wall Street and the Martin Gekko? "Greed

Re: [CGUYS] Why not Dell?

2009-09-29 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: > That's not "Dell", it's embezzlement by Dell employees. When you say > something like "Corporation ABC has a history of ..." you're implying that > the corporation itself has done something bad (like, > say, marketing cigarettes to minors

Re: [CGUYS] Apple pushes unwanted enterprise tool to Windows users

2009-09-29 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:36 AM, mike wrote: > They are pushing it out as an update, an appropriate computer would be one > that already has the software on it and requires an update. The dialog box does contain the word "update." One could assume that is intended to indicate that the Apple s