Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing

2010-01-28 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:32 AM, Constance Warner wrote: > Distracted, cellphone-using, and computer-using drivers are a particular > menace to anyone who takes public transportation and who is therefore a > pedestrian a lot of the time. For the most part, I see no great distinction between a

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Stewart Marshall < revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote: > To do that they would have to develop an app for that. > > Many doctors offices I have been in already use MS tablets with the > software etc. to do all this. > > Quite nice little things, costlier than the I

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Most of the comments I have head about the name is that there must have been all guys in the focus group. Stewart At 08:01 AM 1/28/2010, you wrote: I think the high resolution is the selling point for doctors. Being able to read X-Rays and other imageing on it is the killer ap in a doctors o

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: > Most of the comments I have head about the name is that there must have been > all guys in the focus group. Of course. I would suspect that to be a given. And all white, Type A guys as well. Steve **

Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed

2010-01-28 Thread tjpa
On Jan 27, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: Re-reading this, does the filename include the quotes? No quotes. The file name is "Icon\015" or "Icon\r" or "Icon^M" without the quotes depending on how you like to handle escapes. **

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread Chris Dunford
> Too bad so far it is only a really big iPod Touch which is OK but it ain't a > game changer. The bookreader is a color Kindle with higher prices And without digital ink. * ** List info, subscription management, list

Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed

2010-01-28 Thread tjpa
On Jan 27, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Michael Fernando wrote: 1) move everything else out of that directory. cd .. \rm -rf The dir was already empty, except this one file. On Jan 27, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Michael Fernando wrote: 2) I'm not sure if OSX comes with emacs, but I've used emacs' directory

Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed

2010-01-28 Thread tjpa
Problem solved. I mounted the drive on XP. Windows was perfectly fine with blowing away the whole directory without regard to contents. So Windows is actually good for something. * ** List info, subscription management

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread tjpa
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/27/the-apple-ipad-first-impressions/ Pogue advises... "My main message to fanboys is this: it’s too early to draw any conclusions. Apple hasn’t given the thing to any reviewers yet, there are no iPad-only apps yet (there will be), the e-bookstore hasn’t

Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed

2010-01-28 Thread Paul Cannon
Another option would be to open a terminal. cd to the direcory where the file resides. use the rm command and type the first few letters of the filename and press the tab key to let the shell complete the filename. If there are multiple similar filenames, you may have to remember to use multiple

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread mike
He gets paid for this? On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:23 AM, tjpa wrote: > http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/27/the-apple-ipad-first-impressions/ > > Pogue advises... > > "My main message to fanboys is this: it’s too early to draw any > conclusions. Apple hasn’t given the thing to any reviewers

Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed

2010-01-28 Thread David K Watson
These are good suggestions, and OS X does have a built in emacs, just type in "emacs" in Terminal. If you haven't used it before, it is important to remember that you have to type ^x^c (x and c with the control key held down) to exit emacs. However, sidestepping the more technical unix hacks

Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing

2010-01-28 Thread George Carr
Yes, I wasn't thinking about vulnerable pedestrians in the mix. The stakes are considerably higher in the human vs. large, speeding machine context. Good point. But even here I bet there will be a tech solution to preventing car collisions with ANYTHING, humans, animals, trees, ice patches. Even no

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread Constance Warner
It still doesn't do what I want. I was hoping for an Apple notebook, with easy connectivity to my other Macs via Firewire or USB. I bought a Brand X mini notebook a couple of years ago and was disappointed by the keyboard, which was built for Lilliputians, and by a somewhat tortured metho

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread b_s-wilk
http://gizmodo.com/306370/what-the-hell-is-a-zune-pad $499 for an iPad. Hooha! That is what my original iPod cost. Can it be used easily while driving? Don't need it, but might want something like that one day. I don't like eBooks unless someone is reading to me, i.e. audio books. Eeeeu

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Yes, people who make sense can get paid. That must infuriate you, Mike! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- He gets paid for this? On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:23 AM, tjpa wrote: > http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/27/the-apple-ipad-first-impressio ns/ > > Pogue advises... >

Re: [CGUYS] What the Press Knows About Tech

2010-01-28 Thread b_s-wilk
http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2010/01/26/ Why, thank you for parroting my post from yesterday! Apple story starts with the 1/25 comic and continues with today's comic, http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2010/01/28/. Betty ***

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread b_s-wilk
Gizmodo too http://gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad? I have to agree with most of what they say...it is odd it's not widescreen and no HDMI out. My iPod touch doesn't have HDMI, yet I could connect it to our 42" TV to show a video, using the dock connection, composite but

Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed

2010-01-28 Thread John Emmerling
(in reference to problem of file having the name Icon\r where "\r" is actually a carriage return rather than a backslash followed by a lower-case r): What happens if you type "ls -al" while defaulted to this directory? On 1/28/10, David K Watson wrote: > These are good suggestions, and OS X does

Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed

2010-01-28 Thread Fred Holmes
I know this isn't Windows, but can you _move_ the file via drag/drop to a miscellaneous unused flash drive, and then reformat the flash drive to really kill it? Think out of the box. Maybe the OS (or some invidious hacker) really doesn't want you to remove the file? Fred Holmes At 09:22

Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing

2010-01-28 Thread Fred Holmes
At 12:01 PM 1/28/2010, George Carr wrote: >But even here I bet there will be a tech solution to preventing >car collisions with ANYTHING, humans, animals, trees, ice patches. Even now >there are (infrared?) sensors that can pick out warm people on a dark night, >warning a driver of their presence.

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread David K Watson
Small screen?? A 1024 x 768 pixels, 9.7" diagonal screen that you typically are going to view much nearer to your face than you would a laptop or netbook is small? A custom-designed, well-tuned 1 GHz mobile processor is slow? Weren't you one of the people singing the praises of the tegra pro

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread mike
With hdmi you wouldn't need toslink. I feel like this device is trying to do a lot but won't do any of them well. It wants to play movies but its not widescreen because it also wants to be a reader. This reminds me of that joke dell tablet that was just a big cell phone..this really is just a big

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread Chris Dunford
> Small screen?? A 1024 x 768 pixels, 9.7" diagonal screen that > you typically are going to view much nearer to your face than you > would a laptop or netbook is small? You missed the point. Jobs criticized netbooks for their "small screens", then released a box with a screen that's as small as

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread b_s-wilk
> With hdmi you wouldn't need toslink. I feel like this device is trying to do a lot but won't do any of them well. [Forgot about HDMI doing AV.] I agree. However, this device reminds us about the most important thing about technology: **NEVER BUY VERSION 1.0** Apple will change

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
This is something that Tom rails about with software development. Make it right the first time. Why wait? They have rolled out a number of devices already they have a track record. Why not do it right the first time? (A lot of this stuff was said about the Iphone before and now it is many

Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing

2010-01-28 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:01 PM, George Carr wrote: > The New York Times had an article about pedestrians who are getting injured > while walking and using electronic devices. One teenager gave himself a > concussion by walking head-first into a pole! A TV station here in the District of Colu

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread chad evans wyatt
Right on all counts, Betty.  iPad, iDon't.  Certainly not this v.1.0.  Entertainment is not the first imperative for me when on the road, getting work done is.  (Live performance is infinitely better, anyway.)  And what a blunder of a dumb name.  I'm good with my Nokia and Touch; if I don't haul

Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing

2010-01-28 Thread Mike Sloane
I guess it must be something missing in my genes that I don't have the constant urge to yak, yak, yak endlessly. All of the conversations I overhear (not by choice - people seem to find it necessary to babble as loudly as possible while using cellphones, regardless of how personal their convers

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread David K Watson
I think that they were congratulating themselves that in referring to the whole group of products they could just type iP*d instead of (for example) iPod/iTablet if that had been its name. > From:"Rev. Stewart Marshall" > Subject: Re: You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed? > > Most of the c

Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed

2010-01-28 Thread tjpa
On Jan 28, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: I know this isn't Windows, but can you _move_ the file via drag/drop to a miscellaneous unused flash drive, and then reformat the flash drive to really kill it? Alas, it was not on a flash drive. It was on a server. This was a great example of

Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed

2010-01-28 Thread tjpa
On Jan 28, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Paul Cannon wrote: Another option would be to open a terminal. cd to the direcory where the file resides. use the rm command and type the first few letters of the filename and press the tab key to let the shell complete the filename. That was the first thing I di

Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed

2010-01-28 Thread tjpa
On Jan 28, 2010, at 11:47 AM, David K Watson wrote: To avoid this, in terminal, type rm -i I did that too. This was a severe case of one hand not knowing what the other was doing. rm -i would prompt me for the file, but after I typed "yes" if would respond no such file. *

[CGUYS] Dreamweaver 8 versus MX

2010-01-28 Thread Constance Warner
In a few hours, I'm going to get rid of some old books, including some Dreamweaver third-party manuals. When I took Dreamweaver courses in the past, I noted some small but really significant differences between versions, so that a manual for Version A would be very misleading if you tried t

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread tjpa
On Jan 28, 2010, at 1:26 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: No USB is stupid. I have a cable with the iPod dock plug on one end and a USB plug on the other. Why do you think that won't be possible? * ** List info, subscription manag

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread tjpa
On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:29 PM, chad evans wyatt wrote: And what a blunder of a dumb name. iPod was called dumb too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member

Re: [CGUYS] Dreamweaver 8 versus MX

2010-01-28 Thread tjpa
On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Constance Warner wrote: So here's my naive question (I haven't looked at Dreamweaver for awhile): would a manual for Dreamweaver 8 be any use at all with the current MX version? Close enough with the online help filling in the gaps. Whether the differences matt

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread tjpa
On Jan 28, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: You missed the point. Jobs criticized netbooks for their "small screens", then released a box with a screen that's as small as most netbooks and smaller than many. I was noting the irony, not complaining about the screen size. You were play

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread tjpa
On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: It strikes me a bit disingenuous to try and sell it to folks saying we will make it better later, and then you can buy it again. I guess you would be happy if they never shipped, constantly waiting to add one more feature. What they

[CGUYS] Dreamweaver version correction

2010-01-28 Thread Constance Warner
Oops, I meant Dreamweaver CS3. The Dreamweaver 8 books are probably about as much use with CS3 as stone knives and bearskins, but it would be nice to verify my intuition in this respect. On the other hand, they might be of some use. --Constance

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread Constance Warner
Not to be too delicate about it, but for any adolescent or adult woman, something named iPad inspires, at best, discreet laughter. (Not to mention a mental picture you'd rather not contemplate.) Sorry about that, guys. Maybe they can extensively modify version 2.0 and call it something

Re: [CGUYS] Dreamweaver version correction

2010-01-28 Thread tjpa
On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Constance Warner wrote: Oops, I meant Dreamweaver CS3. The Dreamweaver 8 books are probably about as much use with CS3 as stone knives and bearskins, but it would be nice to verify my intuition in this respect. Well that's v8 vs v9. Not a huge jump either. ***

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Constance Warner wrote: > Not to be too delicate about it, but for any adolescent or adult woman, > something named iPad inspires, at best, discreet laughter.  (Not to mention > a mental picture you'd rather not contemplate.)  Sorry about that, guys. Apple has

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Constance Warner : Not to be too delicate about it, but for any adolescent or adult woman, something named iPad inspires, at best, discreet laughter. (Not to mention a mental picture you'd rather not contemplate.) Sorry about that, guys. Maybe they can extensively modify version 2.0 a

Re: [CGUYS] Dreamweaver version correction

2010-01-28 Thread Constance Warner
Thanks. There used to be a joke that the world was sinking under the weight of old National Geographics. Now, I think it's old computer books. On Jan 28, 2010, at 6:09 PM, tjpa wrote: On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Constance Warner wrote: Oops, I meant Dreamweaver CS3. The Dreamweaver 8 bo

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread tjpa
On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:38 PM, Constance Warner wrote: Not to be too delicate about it, but for any adolescent or adult woman, something named iPad inspires, at best, discreet laughter. (Not to mention a mental picture you'd rather not contemplate.) Sorry about that, guys. That's taking a

Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing

2010-01-28 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Mike Sloane wrote: > I guess it must be something missing in my genes that I don't have the > constant urge to yak, yak, yak endlessly. All of the conversations I > overhear (not by choice - people seem to find it necessary to babble as > loudly as possible while

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting "phartz...@gmail.com" : On the same tangent, I am still trying to find out what the "i" part of their various names is supposed to refer to. My guess would be "iNternet", but what do iKnow. What was the first iName anyway? iMac? **

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Reid Katan wrote: > Quoting "phartz...@gmail.com" : > >>  On the same tangent, I am still trying to find out what the "i" part >> of their various names is supposed to refer to. > > My guess would be "iNternet", but what do iKnow. What was the first iName > anyway

Re: [CGUYS] Dreamweaver version correction

2010-01-28 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Hey I will take any Dreamweaver 8 books you got. Stewart At 04:14 PM 1/28/2010, you wrote: Oops, I meant Dreamweaver CS3. The Dreamweaver 8 books are probably about as much use with CS3 as stone knives and bearskins, but it would be nice to verify my intuition in this respect. On the other h

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
On the last part we will have to disagree. As I type this on my netbook, with a video out, 3 USB ports, and a SD card reader built in. (6 hours battery with wifi.) Stewart At 04:10 PM 1/28/2010, you wrote: I guess you would be happy if they never shipped, constantly waiting to add one mor

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
When I lived in Canada the ladies did not refer to them as pads but napkins. The cloth or paper type you used for eating were called serviettes. So only in America will this name be funny. Also note I heard an interview with the pair who coined the name Ipad with the skit that combined the the

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread Constance Warner
Don't be silly. All the items you cite are paired with something other than a single letter. Launch pad, note pad, lily pad, crash pad, etc. pair the word with SOMETHING ELSE that is the DOMINANT word of the pair, and that immediately offers to the reader the image of something beyond fe

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread Eric S. Sande
I don't understand how their marketing department could have let them >down so badly, From Wikipedia, that well-known source of sometimes (not always) misleading information: Apple declared the 'i' in iMac to stand for "Internet"; it also represented >the product's focus as a personal device

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread Stewart Marshall
Then it might sprout wings! :-) Stewart At 09:04 PM 1/28/2010, you wrote: I don't understand how their marketing department could have let them >down so badly, From Wikipedia, that well-known source of sometimes (not always) misleading information: Apple declared the 'i' in iMac to stand for

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Constance Warner wrote: > I don't understand how their marketing department could have let them down > so badly, especially with a well-known skit on Mad TV to inform them on the > perils of such a choice of names.  I want Apple to stay in business; making > stupi

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: > A new improved model could be called a "Maxipad." Now, that's a really good one! Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread chad evans wyatt
For Tom and the rest of the guys out there who are having hiccups understanding the vibe of the term "iPad," check this out on You Tube.  As I said, dumb name. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx1g_sOKHl4 --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Constance Warner wrote: From: Constance Warner Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Yo

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread chad evans wyatt
It's simple:  try this i (can), etc.  The idea of Mac always was computing for the rest of us.  Simple, and works. --- On Thu, 1/28/10, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: From: phartz...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed? To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thurs

Re: [CGUYS] Dreamweaver version correction

2010-01-28 Thread Tony B
My co-admin recently got a new computer, forcing me yet again to recommend a solution for him to manage his legacy html website. two years ago I recommended Dreamweaver as the only game in town, but these days I'm really doubting that's the case. I understand for some high-end coders DW might be gr

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:36 PM, chad evans wyatt wrote: > It's simple:  try this i (can), etc.  The idea of Mac always was computing > for the rest of us.  Simple, and works. It's simple: try this i (change), etc. The idea of Obama always was government for the rest of us. Too simple, an

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread chad evans wyatt
ummmobama=mac computer?  try a different brand of cigar, that one blew up --- On Thu, 1/28/10, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: From: phartz...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed? To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 11:03 PM On Th

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread b_s-wilk
No USB is stupid. I have a cable with the iPod dock plug on one end and a USB plug on the other. Why do you think that won't be possible? Dock isn't portable. Needs to be plugged in. What if I want to use a flash drive or SD card? Sleek and stylish? Not with a dock and a bunch of cables.

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I have SEEN Obama compared to a lot of things, but never a Mac. Stewart At 10:58 PM 1/28/2010, you wrote: ummmobama=mac computer? try a different brand of cigar, that one blew up * ** List info, subscription manag

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-28 Thread mike
I'm trying to think of when, Jobs has brought out a device to show the mac faithful, that when it was released a few months later it was different... On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:29 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > > > David Pogue does remind us that first impression isn't the final release > product. > > >