: Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple
gets us what?
On Nov 17, 2009, at 7:49 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for answering my questions. Your usage of eSata is a good
example of when high rates of data transfer can be of note. My sole
point
On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Paul Meyer wrote:
Pardon the ignorant question, is there a direct
channel from the controller to the hard drive?
Otherwise, you bottlenecks somewhere in the
pipe?
That would be an incorrect assumption.
The FireWire controller usually talks to a SATA or PATA
FWIW, our own experiments with eSata were disappointing. First, few
mobos actually supported hot swapping - in fact, none of ours did. We
could have lived with that, since our old drive caddys require
powering down to swap.
However, at random times the drives would suddenly slow down,
apparently
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:16 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:
Well this has become more about stopping the spread of misinformation.
Some on the list might want to know that ESATA is much faster then FW800
because they could be looking to build something that it would matter.
Others,
On Nov 17, 2009, at 7:49 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for answering my questions. Your usage of eSata is a good
example of when high rates of data transfer can be of note. My sole
point was that, for the most part in daily computer use, it isn't
really going to matter or be
On Nov 15, 2009, at 3:47 PM, mike wrote:
ESATA also..makes firewire look like a red headed step child.
I don't think an ESATA cable will stand up to constant unplugging and
replugging. Nor does it provide power. It is intended for an entirely
different purpose.
Yep, speed.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 9:50 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Nov 15, 2009, at 3:47 PM, mike wrote:
ESATA also..makes firewire look like a red headed step child.
I don't think an ESATA cable will stand up to constant unplugging and
replugging. Nor does it provide power. It is
I said this myself, this zino thing isn't aimed at the mac mini, different
tools for different jobs. The zino doesn't need FW since it has the much
faster ESATA.
Sure looks like the Mac Mini. There are other form factors they could
have used, but making it look like a Mini clone in black sure
So now no one can build a square without it being a mac? Who said anything
about editing video, you are missing the point of the zino entirely
because you want to compare it to a mac mini.
On Nov 16, 2009 3:56 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote:
I said this myself, this zino thing isn't
Many consumer Camcorders are no longer using tape but SDHC cards for storage.
This negates firewire in that you take the card out and directly
transfer the file created over to the system.
Others are using mini-DVD's to save video files.
For high end Firewire will still be the preferred but
Won't see a mac mini either.
On Nov 16, 2009 4:11 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote:
Many consumer Camcorders are no longer using tape but SDHC cards for
storage.
This negates firewire in that you take the card out and directly transfer
the file created over to the
On Nov 16, 2009, at 5:42 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:
eSATA isn't used in peripherals other than storage. USB is a vastly
inferior technology for video. How can you effectively edit HD video
in real time without FireWire? Where are you going to put yet
another power strip for eSATA. FW has its own
On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:00 PM, mike wrote:
So now no one can build a square without it being a mac?
Looks like a painted Mac Mini.
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For mass storage eSATA seems to be the better technology.
For Video transfer from an outside source Firewire was the best.
But as I said earlier for consumers that is no longer the case.
Stewart
At 05:57 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
Oh look, eSATA is not faster than FireWire...
Transfer Rate -
800Mbps is often faster than 3.0Gbps...oh wait
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:57 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Nov 16, 2009, at 5:42 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:
eSATA isn't used in peripherals other than storage. USB is a vastly
inferior technology for video. How can you effectively edit HD video in
Indeed, it's square so it's a mac mini...and so is the Wii...and some of
those low end dvd players, they are squares. All of em look like mac minis.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:59 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:00 PM, mike wrote:
So now no one can build a square without it
Well FW is the best because it exists on many HD cams, so obviously you need
that if you are transferring data from an HD cam. But to say this
translates to FW being faster is incorrect.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote:
For mass storage
One of the reasons they are making PC's like this is that the board
manufacturers have finally gotten rid of the mentality of oblong.
I have seen some interesting designs for PC's in the last little
while as they no longer need to follow the standard design.
Expect more stuff like this in
On Nov 16, 2009, at 7:04 PM, mike wrote:
800Mbps is often faster than 3.0Gbps...oh wait
You don't know how to read specs.
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Or you need specs tor ead.
Stewart
At 07:24 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
On Nov 16, 2009, at 7:04 PM, mike wrote:
800Mbps is often faster than 3.0Gbps...oh wait
You don't know how to read specs.
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Well we've learned over time Tom's reality is different from others.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote:
Or you need specs tor ead.
Stewart
At 07:24 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
On Nov 16, 2009, at 7:04 PM, mike wrote:
800Mbps is
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:59 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:00 PM, mike wrote:
So now no one can build a square without it being a mac?
Looks like a painted Mac Mini.
More like a stack of two or three minis.
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My tower computer is 15 or so mac minis.
On Nov 16, 2009 7:35 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com
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On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:59 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:00 PM, mike wrote: So now no one can build a
square without it being a ...
More like a stack of
On Nov 16, 2009, at 8:59 PM, mike wrote:
Well we've learned over time Tom's reality is different from others.
I know Stewart knows how to read and interpret specs, but would rather
follow the party line than correct Mike.
No was making a pun.
I stated earlier. eSATA is great for Hard Drives etc.
Firewire is still best for video.
However many of the consumer CamCorders are using SDHC cards so they
just pop in and transfer over.
Stewart
At 09:00 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
On Nov 16, 2009, at 8:59 PM, mike
Ok, one more try.
You do realize the 800 in FW800 actually *means* something right?
Here is a very nice, clean diagram from Wikipedia...but I'm sure you'll say
they are just following some party line...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#SATA_in_comparison_to_other_buses
Soon to come
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:21 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:
Soon to come perhaps may be FW3200 which is faster then current ESATA
speeds, although we have yet to see any mac with this spec. Also if we are
going to include soon to be or perhaps not so soon to be released specs, we
would
Well this has become more about stopping the spread of misinformation.
Some on the list might want to know that ESATA is much faster then FW800
because they could be looking to build something that it would matter.
Others, perhaps most don't care because they don't have either one. These
aren't
Dell Inspiron Zino HD Desktop
http://www.dell.com/us/en/corp/desktops/inspiron-zino-hd/pd.aspx?refid=inspiron-zino-hds=corp
Innovation means picking a different color than Apple's case.
Has fewer ports too. I guess Intel was not providing any reference
designs with more ports.
Fewer ports than what? This seems targeted at the mac mini, it starts out
at half the cost? It has esata...no esata on mac mini. It has HDMI and
full 1080p out...nope not for mac mini. It has a blu ray drive...sorry,
none for ANY mac yet. The mac mini is targeted as an expensive nettop
And pretty loaded still less than 1000.
I priced one out with a good complement of stuff (1 TB drive, 4 GB
memory) and it was only 733.
With the advent of SDHC card Video cams no longer a need for firewire.
Not a bad little cube. No longer the need for these big old ugly
computer desks.
ESATA also..makes firewire look like a red headed step child.
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote:
And pretty loaded still less than 1000.
I priced one out with a good complement of stuff (1 TB drive, 4 GB memory)
and it was only 733.
Oh, look! The Inspiron Zino has a *tray-loading* DVD burner! Of course,
it's Inspiron, not Latitude. Why it's like a multi-color Mac Mini with a
huge fan!
Zino has no FireWire; Mini does and can be easily modded to use eSATA.
The Mini can connect to HDMI with a DVI-HDMI cable, so direct HDMI
Who wants BluRay? Millions...Millions of people. All those yahoos who buy
big screen tvs.
I said this myself, this zino thing isn't aimed at the mac mini, different
tools for different jobs. The zino doesn't need FW since it has the much
faster ESATA.
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 11:24 PM,
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