> I started this thread so you telling me what the original point was is
> a
> bit odd. No?
No. I said *my* original point. Don't get me started on what I think is
odd.
> My point was that I saw some movement in the direction of better
> understanding on the part of some Senators.
And mine was
>Umm, no, the original point was that Congress should not be trusted with
>anything to do with technology, since its record over the past decade or so
>is a sad and sorry tale. Did you forget that part already?
I started this thread so you telling me what the original point was is a
bit odd. N
>Umm, no, the original point was that Congress should not be trusted with
>anything to do with technology, since its record over the past decade or so
>is a sad and sorry tale. Did you forget that part already?
I started this thread so you telling me what the original point was is a
bit odd. No?
Outside the world of right wing authoritarians, sometimes people do the
right thing because, um, it's the right thing to do.
David K. Watson wrote:
I'd also like to dispute the snide implication by Jeff that Vint Cerf
is a partisan shill
and so shouldn't be listened to, as evidenced by Cerf's c
> >I never realized that Gore fetishists could be so kinky with the
> mythos. I
> >never attacked credentials, just motivations. Are you telling me that
> >people like Vint Cerf are above mortal temptations such as party
> loyalty? I
> >didn't think I was dealing with Olympic deity.
>
> Project
Jeff Wright sez:
>
>I never realized that Gore fetishists could be so kinky with the mythos. I
>never attacked credentials, just motivations. Are you telling me that
>people like Vint Cerf are above mortal temptations such as party loyalty? I
>didn't think I was dealing with Olympic deity.
Pro
Umm, no, the original point was that Congress should not be trusted with
anything to do with technology, since its record over the past decade or so
is a sad and sorry tale. Did you forget that part already?
I never realized that Gore fetishists could be so kinky with the mythos. I
never attacke
>Kinda makes my original point, don't ya think?
Nope. Makes mine.
When an authority in the field gives a first person account that
contradicts one of your previous assertions and you immediately respond
by attacking the credentials of that authority it is a bad sign. When the
contortions requ
Also, just to give myself a reality check I went
back and looked at Cerf's donations, about $8K
in '06. For a Google VP, that's chump change.
If you think that being partisan in and of itself
undermines someone's
credibility, why should we converse with anyone
that disagrees with us, or more to t
Jeff Wright sez:
>Kinda makes my original point, don't ya think?
Nope.
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Nonsense. Like it or not, the sociological and polling data
are quite clear that Democratic voting and other liberal
tendencies increase with education levels.
Maybe that's
good, maybe that's bad, but the point is that there is nothing
unusual in the mere fact that Mr. Cerf is partisan for the D
Good link, I hadn't seen that before.
Kinda makes my original point, don't ya think?
> -Original Message-
> Read and weap (but heavens no politics!).
>
> The Best and Worst Internet Laws
>
> Date: Apr 20, 2007 By Eric Goldman.
> Over the past dozen years,
I have to wonder if the politician's name in question was, say, Newt, and he
gave to some *other* party that you'd be so quick to rush to his defense.
Cerf's piece was a political contribution to the Gore campaign at the time,
nothing more. His partisan contribution pattern put his assertions dir
Read and weap (but heavens no politics!).
The Best and Worst Internet Laws
Date: Apr 20, 2007 By Eric Goldman.
Over the past dozen years, the lure of regulating the Internet has proven
irresistible to legislators. For example, in the 109th Congress, almost
1,100
I'd also like to dispute the snide implication by Jeff that Vint Cerf
is a partisan shill
and so shouldn't be listened to, as evidenced by Cerf's contributions
to various
Dems. In the list Jeff gave, the Cerf's contributions to Dems
started in the
Clinton administration, AFTER Gore was sena
Since whan is putting your money where your mouth is an indication of
insincerity? Would you denounce a doctor who gave money to the Red Cross?
>CERF, VINTON
>ANNANDALE,VA 22003
> WORLD COM
> 9/7/2000
> $5,000
> Assn of State Dem Chairs/Dollrs for Dems
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>I am kinda getting tired of this "who invented the internet" crap.
Yes! STOP! STOP! STOP! Any conclusive demonstration of the facts could
cause adverse results. Reality go away. Out! Out! Out! Leave us alone in
our land of fantasy.
>How's about talking about computers and much more related sub
I'm building cabinets...just put 900 sqft of laminate in...now working on
kitchen cabinets.
I think I'd rather be outside..
Mike
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Jeff Wright sez:
>> Exactly. I choose to listen to Vint Cerf, undisputed as one of the
>> Founding Fathers of the Internet who said of Al Gore while defending
>> him from that false "I invented the Internet" meme:
>
>Do you mean this Vint Cerf? I'm sure it's just a coincidence that he wrote
>an
I am kinda getting tired of this "who invented the internet" crap.
How's about talking about computers and much more related subjects
rather than peeing in the wind about political differences?
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Blinded by ideology, Jeff ranted...
>No one is denying that Gore put through funding that, in retrospect, was
>well timed, but Gore saying the "I took the initiative in creating the
>Internet" is like George Westinghouse saying that he took the initiative in
>creating Emiril Lagasse.
"Al Gore and
> Exactly. I choose to listen to Vint Cerf, undisputed as one of the
> Founding Fathers of the Internet who said of Al Gore while defending
> him from that false "I invented the Internet" meme:
False? Not really. While the "invented" part was nothing more than a
fish-in-the-barrel response from
No one is denying that Gore put through funding that, in retrospect, was
well timed, but Gore saying the "I took the initiative in creating the
Internet" is like George Westinghouse saying that he took the initiative in
creating Emiril Lagasse.
Scientists and researchers, decades before Gore star
Art Clemons sez:
>Jeff Wright:
>> Do you actually think Gore had the faintest idea of what was yet to come in
>> 1989? His bill was for a top-down researcher's network using
>> "supercomputers," something that is the exact opposite of the Internet
>> today. It was an appropriation that was event
Jeff Wright:
> Do you actually think Gore had the faintest idea of what was yet to come in
> 1989? His bill was for a top-down researcher's network using
> "supercomputers," something that is the exact opposite of the Internet
> today. It was an appropriation that was eventually in the right plac
> These are the
> people who provided early funding for and nurtured the Internet. They
> deserve some credit. Al Gore did know what he was pushing for back
> then,
> just like today he is pushing for solving the greenhouse gas problem.
Al Gore! He's so dreamy!
Ah yes, the accidental one-hit-won
> Exactly. I choose to listen to Vint Cerf, undisputed as one of the
> Founding Fathers of the Internet who said of Al Gore while defending
> him from that false "I invented the Internet" meme:
Do you mean this Vint Cerf? I'm sure it's just a coincidence that he wrote
an op-ed pimping and defen
>I can only pray that Congress doesn't screw things up more than it already
>has. We should be more concerned with whose round hole they're going to try
>to cram their constituents' square peg into next. Its record on technology
>is simultaneously frightening and abysmal and you want to encourage
Goodness Tommy, you sound like a pre-school teacher. Next you'll praising
them for how much progress they've made on potty training and not making in
their pants.
I can only pray that Congress doesn't screw things up more than it already
has. We should be more concerned with whose round hole the
I pray pray pray and hope yer right.
Mike
On 4/16/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On top of the senators relying on lobbyists of the big telcos etc to
educate
>them...hardly anyone interested in our best.
I think this is more cynical than accurate. Look at the progress that has
be
Should I have changed the last subject line to 'I pray Tom's right' ?
Mike
On 4/16/07, mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I pray pray pray and hope yer right.
Mike
On 4/16/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >On top of the senators relying on lobbyists of the big telcos etc to
> educ
>On top of the senators relying on lobbyists of the big telcos etc to educate
>them...hardly anyone interested in our best.
I think this is more cynical than accurate. Look at the progress that has
been made on network neutrality. The big telcos did not get their way and
are looking less and les
On top of the senators relying on lobbyists of the big telcos etc to educate
them...hardly anyone interested in our best.
Mike
On 4/16/07, Rev. Stewart Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I encourage all of them to learn. Too many of them them come off as
know it alls and really sound stupid.
I encourage all of them to learn. Too many of them them come off as
know it alls and really sound stupid.
Part of learning is recognizing you are in need of knowledge not
telling everyone how much you already know.
Stewart
At 06:25 PM 4/16/2007, you wrote:
All the more reason to encourage
>He still has a lot to learn I find many congress critters knowledge
>of the Internet to be just enough to make them dangerous.
All the more reason to encourage them to learn. I can't see any benefit
to being critical of them as they start to make progress. Should
encourage them.
He still has a lot to learn I find many congress critters knowledge
of the Internet to be just enough to make them dangerous.
Look at the mess the recent negations were with Internet radio and
the ridiculous renewal fees being required. Many Internet radio
stations including NPR stations will
>I got a little upset with Leheay grandstanding with his non knowledge
>of how email is transmitted and stored.
Why? I was pleased to see Senators getting better computer coaching.
Isn't it good to have a Senator who understands that digital files can be
stored and archived in many places? Cert
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