No the POTS has power. Having gotten a shock or two from a phone line
in my time.
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:38 AM, katan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:23:31 -0400, John Duncan Yoyo wrote:
>
> >If you have FIOS there is a box that plugs into the wall that powers
> >the bo
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:23:31 -0400, John Duncan Yoyo wrote:
>If you have FIOS there is a box that plugs into the wall that powers
>the box that converts the fiber to phone,
>and passed power to your local phones.
I know. I don't have FiOS. It looks to me that Rich was saying that
even copper POTS
If you have FIOS there is a box that plugs into the wall that powers
the box that converts the fiber to phone,
and passed power to your local phones.
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:57 PM, katan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >At 01:56 PM 3/17/2008, Rich Schinnell wrote:
> >
> >>POTS no longer supplie
>At 01:56 PM 3/17/2008, Rich Schinnell wrote:
>
>>POTS no longer supplies your phone power as they can't figure out a way
>>to pump electricity down the fibre line. :)
Well that doesn't sound right. I don't plug *any* of my phones into an
electric outlet, and they work just fine. So either they'r
At 01:56 PM 3/17/2008, Rich Schinnell wrote:
>POTS no longer supplies your phone power as they can't figure out a way
>to pump electricity down the fibre line. :)
This is a real bummer. During hurricane Isabel my neighborhood in Annandale
lost power for just under three days (66 hrs o/a). The
>I never knock the competition. All I can say is that in Verizon
>territory, you pay for 3 mbps, you get 3 mbps, or a reasonable
>facsimile.
That has been my experience with Verizon DSL.
I'm puzzled why Mike is so anti science. Knowing how something really
works means that you can figure out ho
>Vicky you prove my point.
I thought she proved mine. She is in effect in a straightjacket and this
prevents her getting DSL. Given complete freedon she would get DSL.
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You text a message to your cousin in NYC requesting him to call and
notify the power company for you.
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Fred Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can you notify the power company of an outage with a cell phone text message?
>
> Fred Holmes
>
>
> At 10:39 PM 3/17/20
But what happens when the electrical grid goes down? In the "olden days" when
copper came all the way from the central office, the central office had huge
storage batteries that would last for 48 hours or more and a diesel generator
that would run as long as fueled. If now many POTS phones are
Can you notify the power company of an outage with a cell phone text message?
Fred Holmes
At 10:39 PM 3/17/2008, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
>What I read (and I think it was on this list) is that they disable the POTS
>service from the box or father back.
>
>It is their way of cutting back on s
I have two Igo power supply chargers.
I go makes both laptop power supplies and car charges but the unique
thing is you can replace the tips for different appliances.
I have one in my car with a dual lead so I can charge two things at
once. All I have to have is the tips for each device.
I
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> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:24 PM
> To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com
> Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Verizon DSL Service Dry Loop
>
> Everything I've heard says that when Verizon installs FiOS, they cut the
old
> POTS line. That Princess phone will not work then.
>
>
The box where your FIOS back up battery lives has lights and alarms on
it. If you open it up it has a battery similar to those used in a
UPS. I was told to expect to replace it on my dime in three or four
years.
They left the POTS lines connected in the phone box on the house but
who knows what
What I read (and I think it was on this list) is that they disable
the POTS service from the box or father back.
It is their way of cutting back on service for that type of line etc.
Keep a cell phone handy. The FCC is requiring (and the cell
companies are fighting) long term back ups at all
Everything I've heard says that when Verizon installs FiOS, they cut the old
POTS line. That Princess phone will not work then.
YMMV
> The phone company still supplies power for "legacy" phones. If you've got
> a
> '70s Princess Phone in a box in your basement, you can plug it into a POTS
> lin
>I don't doubt you but AT&T did send someone out twice to check my
>lines and said they were fine to receive the designated speed. And
>when I was paying for the higher speed, I got what the lower level
>promised. As soon as I moved to the lower priced level, my speed
>dropped drastically
>In this discussion of FIOS, I'm reading if I lose my electric I'll lose
>my phone service. Is that correct?
It will last as long as the battery holds out.
Do FiOS customers get any instructions on how to maintain their battery?
*
Thanks. It's good to know that it will still work when the power goes
out. Not only do we depend upon it when we lose power, especially for
extended days during a major storm, but it is also the way we call the
power company to let them know where the power is out.
Richard P.
The phone comp
At 01:56 PM 3/17/2008, Rich Schinnell wrote:
>Aside: I heard a radio advertisement today that said that fios is available
>the same speed upload as download. I kinda question this but you never know.
>I pay for the 15/2 and do get up to 20/1.75 most times.
>
>YMMV
>rich
From a physics/electri
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>
> Is the same true for POTS alone on a copper wire? I
As I wrote earlier, you may have had a marginal line and they
should have
turned you down for service. Alternatively, you may look good on
paper,
but have just one loose connection somewhere in your local loop.
That is
all it takes to make the whole thing work poorly.
I don't doubt you but
Is the same true for POTS alone on a copper wire? If so, when did this
change?
Richard P.
POTS no longer supplies your phone power as they can't figure out a way
to pump electricity down the fibre line. :)
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At 01:09 PM 3/17/2008, you wrote:
Date:Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:00:08 -0400
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In this di
Since it's possible to get +20Mbps DSL speeds on copper lines in east
Asia, why can't US providers give anything close to that on copper
instead of pushing FIOS? FIOS requires installing all new lines, while
converting DSL to VDSL depends on computers at the source and updating
local switches.
Unfortunetly my brain was on backwards this morning. Yes it is 15
down and 2 up.
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Mike Sloane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I hope you meant to write "15mbps down and 2 mbps up". That is the way
> that most asynchronous services work.
>
> Mike
>
>
> John Duncan Y
I hope you meant to write "15mbps down and 2 mbps up". That is the way
that most asynchronous services work.
Mike
John Duncan Yoyo wrote:
The internet comes into the house to a Verizon wireless router through
an ethernet cable and you can distribute it either wirelessly or
through a wired net
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FIOS is fast. The simple version is that they run a fiber to your
house. Outside your house they put a box which converts the light to
internet, TV and phone. The box outputs internet on a Ethernet
cable, TV on a c
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> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 2:11 PM
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> Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Verizon DSL Service Dry Loop
>
>
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Tom Piwowar wrote:
> >> Vicky you pr
You haven't explained any 'engineering' behind anything. And your cable
meltdown doesn't hold water at least in this part of the country. DSL is
going away in Arizona, there is simply no way it can catch up to what Cox
has planned. And other technologies that are up and coming will surpass
cable
>That wasn't my short experience with AT&T DSL. I started out paying
>for the highest speed they offered and tested it several times a day
>for a week. I never got the higher speed but the lowest speed I got
>was the 'top' of the next level down so I called and switched to the
>lower cost
>Did you read your own link about P4P? Nowhere is it mentioned cable can't
>do it, or that only DSL can.
Mike, Are you doing an "it depends on what the meaning of is is" number
on us?
The NYT story mentions Comcast just once. It does that to contrast
Comcast vs. DSL providers. The NYT notes th
No. DSL does not work that way. You get the speed you pay for plus
usually a small margin. You get it reliably. You don't get wild
highs and
lows.
That wasn't my short experience with AT&T DSL. I started out paying
for the highest speed they offered and tested it several times a day
for a
Did you read your own link about P4P? Nowhere is it mentioned cable can't
do it, or that only DSL can. At most they state it might be more difficult
for cable. Again, why would the company who is providing the software be
working with cable companies if the software won't work on cable? The
s
>Cable can do. Why else would Cox and Comcast be working with them to
>implement the so called p4p. You seem to have the same problem with
>spreading FUD about cable as you do about windows.
Please provide a link re Cox and Comcast. P4P does not work with cable's
architecture. As I have been wr
>Bottom line. The ceo waved my early termination fee and that was the last
>I heard of it but he did say that the salesman was wrong. I could have
>bought the phone without the data plan. but it was too late then.
The company stores seem to be terribly uninformed and tend to err on the
side of
Date:Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:09:08 -0400
From:"Eric S. Sande" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Verizon DSL Service Dry Loop
One hundred percent
money back guarantee. That goes for just about everything we
sell.
If we can't do it we won't and we'll tell you why. If we can do it
we guarante
Cable can do. Why else would Cox and Comcast be working with them to
implement the so called p4p. You seem to have the same problem with
spreading FUD about cable as you do about windows.
Mike
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Doing clever stuff, lik
>Note I said, one fiber optic cable. Initially threw me for a
>loop [yes bad pun], but the tech said there were multiple wave
>lenghts for transmit receive over the same fiber optic cable.
One optical cable can carry hundreds of different wavelengths of light
and the companies that make the hea
;t fess up to knowing more.
Kind Regarsd,
John Mealey
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On
Vicky! You are letting silly things like facts get in the way! Tom has
spoken...DSL is better it doesn't matter what you've actually experienced.
There are no other factors...Tom's word is law! I'm calling all my poor sap
cable modem using friends who are actually getting 20mbit right now and
tel
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Tom Piwowar wrote:
Vicky you prove my point.
I thought she proved mine. She is in effect in a straightjacket and this
prevents her getting DSL. Given complete freedon she would get DSL.
Given _complete_ freedom, I said I'd choose FiOS. I haven't seen
any technical discuss
I wish I lived in one of those cities you speak of with good DSL.
I never knock the competition. All I can say is that in Verizon
territory, you pay for 3 mbps, you get 3 mbps, or a reasonable
facsimile.
If we can't deliver it we'll tell you we can't. And why.
We'd rather sell you FiOS, but
Again you talk in theories while I focus on real world. My DSL does
fluctuate, down almost always. I do get wild lows for no reason. The
choice to take cable in this city is definitely not for the las vegas
minded, but for the money conscious and prudent. It's DSL that the people
who don't care
Vicky you prove my point.
Stewart
At 06:21 PM 3/14/2008, you wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Tom you would fail miserably as a psychologist.
Yes. I've been to Atlantic City once. I did no gambling at all
but played on the beach. I have cable internet. Of course, the
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Tom you would fail miserably as a psychologist.
Yes. I've been to Atlantic City once. I did no gambling at all
but played on the beach. I have cable internet. Of course, the
fact that DSL isn't offered in our area may have something to do
with i
Tom you would fail miserably as a psychologist.
Stewart
At 05:33 PM 3/14/2008, you wrote:
No. DSL does not work that way. You get the speed you pay for plus
usually a small margin. You get it reliably. You don't get wild highs and
lows.
I have never thought about it this way, but perhaps the
>Like I said before, perhaps Qwest and Cox are backwards here, but I have
>never seen my DSL speed go above my slotted speed of 1.5, and almost without
>fail, my real speed is never above 1.1mbit. Does DSL in other areas, if you
>pay for say 3mbit go up to 6 on a regular basis?
No. DSL does not w
I saw this when I had Coxdownloading large files from neighbors on the
same node especially. I was paying for 5mbit but could get 10 on some
things. I think out here they solved the 'neighbor' problem by making sure
each node can handle the max what each person is paying for so at the least
e
Interesting story in the NYT shows that it really does help to know
something about the technology you are subscribing to. Verizon has
figured out how to increse media downloads speeds 60 to 600 percent on
DSL line while greatly decreasing the load on their system. So they don't
have to degrade
On Mar 14, 2008, at 9:20 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
I have helped several of my clients set up Internet service using
mobile broadband cards.
An interesting alternative.
So what data rate did you get for $60/mo. ADSL or SDSL?
Unfortunately, I was not able to play with her computer enough to
r
>It's QwestI know I'm being shafted.
Quest's revenues and market value are way down. Stock price is less than
1/10th of what it was in 2000. I would think somebody would buy out these
yahoos and put them out of their misery.
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>I have helped several of my clients set up Internet service using
>mobile broadband cards.
An interesting alternative.
So what data rate did you get for $60/mo. ADSL or SDSL?
Does the data rate drop when it is raining? (As happens with cellular
service.)
Is mobile broadband going to be avai
With customer service like that I guess they don't want profits.
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 2:36 AM, mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's QwestI know I'm being shafted. I also know without a doubt they
> are not upgrading anything anywhere in the valley. So no, it doesn't really
> matter wh
It's QwestI know I'm being shafted. I also know without a doubt they
are not upgrading anything anywhere in the valley. So no, it doesn't really
matter what the theoretical speed is in Omaha. I had a Qwest rep tell me
the last time I called about their upgrading or not tell me I should be
ha
I have helped several of my clients set up Internet service using
mobile broadband cards. In fact, there is an article on my blog with
links to a recent Macworld article. The information would apply to PCs
as well as Macs. There is also information about cellular routers
which allow you to
My eyes are always open and I am constantly looking at the technology
and how it is working.
Would I buy DSL again? Yes in a different location and with a
different provider.
When I lived in TN I had Bellsouth DSL and it was hands down better
than the Cable provider (happens to be the same
>If I'm stuck with bad management your assertions that 'this is true' doesn't
>really matter. Reality matters, not what ifs. That's why I suggested
>asking the neighbors for *real* experiences and not just going by so called
>'truths of the system'.
You mean it is better to not even know that yo
If I'm stuck with bad management your assertions that 'this is true' doesn't
really matter. Reality matters, not what ifs. That's why I suggested
asking the neighbors for *real* experiences and not just going by so called
'truths of the system'.
Mike
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 6:08 AM, Tom Piwowar
>Our cable system can deliver 6 mps with better reliability than the
>phone company can that is sad.
There is no technology that can not be made high cost and low quality by
bad management. Nevertheless it is worthwhile to consider what the
technology can accomplish so that we know how much the
>> DSL is not a shared line, so provides a fairly constant rate. Cable
>> promises the moon, but puts the entire neighborhood on the same wire so
>> it delivers dirt when too many people are using it
>This is not true for all areas, may be true for the place you live, here the
>complete opposite i
Verizon offers DSL, Satellite and Fiber(FIOS).
Mason
On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Judy Cosler wrote:
isn't Verizon DSL
and Comcast is cable modem??
starpower is cable modem
DC Cavalier wrote:
I really haven't done a LOT of looking around but of the looking
around I
have done, I really LOV
Chris
How fast is your Verizon DSL? What is the monthly charge? Are you in DC?
Have you spoken to more than one CSR at Verizon? When one Customer
service rep gives you the 'wrong' answer, call back and get a different
CSR! Dry loop--unbundled Internet-only without land line--can be much
more
isn't Verizon DSL
and Comcast is cable modem??
starpower is cable modem
DC Cavalier wrote:
I really haven't done a LOT of looking around but of the looking around I
have done, I really LOVE Vonage telephone and its services and the fact I
can use it anywhere I go. Right now, the $28 a month for
I really haven't done a LOT of looking around but of the looking around I
have done, I really LOVE Vonage telephone and its services and the fact I
can use it anywhere I go. Right now, the $28 a month for it, and $40 a month
for Verizon DSL, is what I guess I will stick with for the time being. I a
This is not true for all areas, may be true for the place you live, here the
complete opposite is true. I've never had consistent speed from DSL since
i've had it. Cox must keep their nodes near enough that this same wire
policy doesn't exist. In the last year or so, cable speeds have done
nothi
Yes but the phone companies must be willing to invest in the hardware
and many local/piecemeal phone systems won't do it.
I live less than 2 miles from my switch (As the bird flies closer to
1 mile) and they could not deliver 6mps with reliability, and had to
cut it back to 1.5.
Our cable sy
>I was also thinking of terms. I was of the understanding that true
>DSL...the swtiching of the digital to analog to run on long copper lines
>maxes around 6mbit.
Nope. The newest format, VHDSL2, provides up to 250 Mbps full duplex over
twisted-pair copper. It was designed to work over POTS line
>whether or not speed varies may depend on lots of things (including how
>many neighbors are using the service --- but, can't remember
>whether that's cable or DSL)
DSL is not a shared line, so provides a fairly constant rate. Cable
promises the moon, but puts the entire neighborhood on
That is only supposed to happen with cable and then only when their
nodes are too far apart.
Stewart
At 06:37 PM 3/12/2008, you wrote:
whether or not speed varies may depend on lots of things (including how
many neighbors are using the service --- but, can't remember
whether that's ca
Well I can only speak in my case. Both Qwest (the worst telco in the world)
and Cox offer better deals for all three (tv, internet and phone) then if I
bought two from one and one from another or any combination. Cox is light
years ahead of qwest in terms of service and speed. I view any compan
whether or not speed varies may depend on lots of things (including how
many neighbors are using the service --- but, can't remember
whether that's cable or DSL)
I have had v. few outages with STarpower.
my rates, however, are too high!
need to do a bit of bargaining there!!!
Tom Piwowa
>You will always get a better deal if you get all the services one company
>provides.
Is that really true, or just a come-on to get customers to sign an
expensive long-term contract? Are these plans not full of minimum
requirements and penalty clauses for early termination or even changes in
You will always get a better deal if you get all the services one company
provides. You can also just switch to comcast internet without getting any
other service, although you will pay more then if you get their other
services. On the other end, if you are getting DSL speeds, I can't imagine
com
>Can anyone confirm this as a likely fact, or does it sound as if that is
>untrue or the customer service rep simply doesn't know what they were
>talking about?
If you go to Verizon's web site and click on the "Terms and Conditions"
link you will see in several places that the terms require "Veri
I have had for Verizon DSL for about six years now. Pretty much I have had
no problem with the service.
A little over a year and a half ago I changed my phone service to Vonage but
kept the Verizon DSL.
The DSL service has continued to work fine, but what I am paying for my DSL
is still the same
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