[CGUYS] Vista or XP

2007-08-06 Thread Michael A. Wosnick
Have been off the list for an extended period and have just returned and would like some insider advice. I know that reams have been written about Vista vs. XP but wondered if some of the regulars here had a CONCISE recommendation to make re: why (or why not) I should upgrade from XP Media Center t

[CGUYS] Vista or XP

2007-08-08 Thread Harvey Simon
I'm a bit surprised that no one has brought up the issue of security in this discussion (excuse me if I missed it). Given that XP is generally considered to be a less than robustly secure operating system, and given that Vista's code is generally reported to be better written, from a security stan

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP

2007-08-07 Thread Rich Schinnell
At 12:00 AM 8/7/2007, you wrote: Date:Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:35:42 -0400 From:"Michael A. Wosnick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Vista or XP Have been off the list for an extended period and have just returned and would like some insider advice. I know that reams have been written about Vista

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP

2007-08-07 Thread Chris Dunford
>recommendation to make re: why (or why not) I should upgrade from XP Media >Center to Vista. Yes, I think Rich is right. I like Vista a lot, but I would not upgrade from XP to Vista on an existing machine unless it's a screamer with lots of memory and a top-notch graphics card. Better to wait u

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP

2007-08-07 Thread Michael Wosnick
Chris (and Rich) I don't think I would have any problems from a technology point of view. My machine is pretty robust and has 2 Gigs of RAM, a good ATI Radeon graphics card and 3 SATA hard drives. Although I do not have a duo core processor, my pentium is an HT version so not too bad. What I

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP

2007-08-07 Thread Tom Piwowar
>What I am really interested in knowing is WHY (or why not) should I >consider an upgrade to Vista Microsoft needs the money. Isn't that enough of a reason? As I recall, most of the compelling reasons to upgrade were dropped in order to get the thing to ship. IE 7 would be a good reason, but y

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP

2007-08-07 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I prefer Yahoo widgets. Stewart At 12:20 PM 8/7/2007, you wrote: >What I am really interested in knowing is WHY (or why not) should I >consider an upgrade to Vista Microsoft needs the money. Isn't that enough of a reason? As I recall, most of the compelling reasons to upgrade were dropped i

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP

2007-08-07 Thread mike
You can turn off the nagging security warnings, but they are there for a reason. For the most part, it is true that most of the compelling reasons to upgrade were removed to get Vista out. While it is more secure, the real security lies in 64bit Vista which is just about useless to most users. Vi

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP

2007-08-07 Thread Tom Piwowar
>And no, they didn't copy OS X widgets, all things don't come from Apple, I didn't say that all things come from Apple. I did imply that MS has not had an original, but non-criminal, idea in many years. * ==> QUICK LIST-CO

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP

2007-08-07 Thread Chris Dunford
>I didn't say that all things come from Apple. I did imply that MS has not >had an original, but non-criminal, idea in many years. Is this really necessary? Do you absolutely _have_ to do this _every_ time someone asks a Windows question? ***

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP

2007-08-07 Thread Snyder, Mark
Must Windows fanboys obsess for m-o-n-t-h-s about the pros and cons of upgrading *every* time M$ rolls out a new Windows version (granted, only once or twice a decade these days)? Mark Snyder -Original Message- Is this really necessary? Do you absolutely _have_ to do this _every_ time some

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP

2007-08-07 Thread Chris Dunford
>Must Windows fanboys obsess for m-o-n-t-h-s about the pros and cons of >upgrading *every* time M$ rolls out a new Windows version (granted, only >once or twice a decade these days)? Completely off point. And for the record, I have never referred to Mac users with the insulting term "Apple fanbo

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP

2007-08-07 Thread Tony B
Please don't feed the trolls. On 8/7/07, Chris Dunford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I didn't say that all things come from Apple. I did imply that MS has not > >had an original, but non-criminal, idea in many years. > > Is this really necessary? Do you absolutely _have_ to do this _every_ time >

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP

2007-08-07 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Is this really necessary? Do you absolutely _have_ to do this _every_ time >someone asks a Windows question? I gave a perfectly correct answer. I said I did not like Widgets -- both Apple's & MS's. I'm allowed to not like Widgets. It is also accurate to note that MS copied heavily from Apple a

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP

2007-08-07 Thread mike
Why is it mac fanatics can't keep quiet when someone wants to talk about windows? If you don't like to talk about it, don't read the thread, the topic couldn't have been any clearer. It was even asked *very* politely that windows bashers please not apply, thank you very much. And *still* we had

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP

2007-08-07 Thread Snyder, Mark
Sorry - meant to be light. Maybe we're being too sensitive. Thank you, Mark Snyder - fanboy or what ever -Original Message- Why is it mac fanatics can't keep quiet when someone wants to talk about windows? If you don't like to talk about it, don't read the thread, the topic couldn't

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP

2007-08-07 Thread John DeCarlo
On 8/7/07, Chris Dunford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I didn't say that all things come from Apple. I did imply that MS has not > >had an original, but non-criminal, idea in many years. > > Is this really necessary? Do you absolutely _have_ to do this _every_ time > someone asks a > Windows ques

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP

2007-08-07 Thread Michael A. Wosnick
instead. Michael -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Dunford Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 2:23 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP >I didn't say that all things c

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP

2007-08-08 Thread John DeCarlo
I think you are being unfair. I never responded to your original query. I think you only got 2 or 3 responses to your original query. I responded to someone making snide remarks about someone else's snide remarks. The people who responded to you did a fine job - no one really knows of anything

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP

2007-08-08 Thread Michael Wosnick
Point made and taken. That was indeed not an entirely fair comment. Thanks for your synopsis as well. I think I am pretty much persuaded by the responses that I shall just stick to XP for now. Michael John DeCarlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think you are being unfair. I never responded to y

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP -- List Etiquette

2007-08-07 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Yep. I feared this would happen My bad >I guess I will go and read the PC mags instead. So right. If someone does not like somebody else's answer then they should respond by providing an answer that they think is better. DO NOT attack the person. DO NOT tell someone that they have n

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP -- List Etiquette

2007-08-07 Thread Eric S. Sande
Does anyone want to point out a compelling Vista feature? I think the people who turned this thread into a pissing contest owe us a proper answer to the question. A compelling Vista feature? Only one comes to mind at the moment, and that's DirectX 10 support. But as the other posters suggeste

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP -- List Etiquette

2007-08-07 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
The other problem that crops up is which flavor of Vista are you going to get? Vista Home Basic Vista Home Premium Vista Business Vista Ultimate Most system are only coming with 1 or 2 above. You have to pay a premium to get 3 or 4, and I understand most of the real nice goodies only come wit

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP -- List Etiquette

2007-08-07 Thread Eric S. Sande
Most system are only coming with 1 or 2 above. You have to pay a premium to get 3 or 4, and I understand most of the real nice goodies only come with 3 & 4. Well, as I see it only Ultimate really offers a step sideways, and I have no desire to go (as I see it) backwards from a perfectly worka

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP -- List Etiquette

2007-08-07 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
That about sums it up. One of my members mentioned he just bought a laptop. It came with 1 GB of ram but he said he was only seeing 768 MB of ram. I told him his laptop video was taking 256 of ram. Dumb Who needs that fast and that big of a video on a laptop? If you are not playing g

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP -- List Etiquette

2007-08-07 Thread Eric S. Sande
From: "Rev. Stewart Marshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP -- List Etiquette That about sums it up. One of my members mentioned he just bought a laptop. It came with 1 GB of ram but he said he was only see

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP back to topic

2007-08-07 Thread mike
One other suggestion might be to get another drive and dual boot windows xp and Vista till you decide. I still think Vista is a little troublesome for users who know what they are doing in windows. One of the things that bugged me, albeit very small, was that every time i opened my tv app vista w

Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP -- Give MS Well-Deserved Credit

2007-08-07 Thread Tom Piwowar
>I agree. Who here actually thinks any of the criminal ideas coming from >Microsoft are original? That's not fair. I have to agree that some of you here are very biased and won't give MS credit for anything. For one, I think the deal where computer manufacturers had to pay a fee for Windows on