Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-08 Thread Tom Piwowar
Don't start getting facts in the way of Tom's BS Have you presented any facts yourself? No, just fanatical M$ B$. I know: HOW DARE THEY RUN BENCHMARKS! They should just humbly genuflect. * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-08 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Ars has a nice article with the bizarre news that XP mode in W7 requires _specific_ versions of AMD or Intel's processors: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/05/r2e-microsoft-intel-goof- up-windows-7s-xp-mode.ars Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Don't start getting facts

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-08 Thread mike
Actually if you'd been reading the posts you'd note I hadn't said anything about MS BS, just your BS. Maybe drink some tea or something, calm down, take a walk? On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Don't start getting facts in the way of Tom's BS Have you

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-08 Thread Tom Piwowar
Actually if you'd been reading the posts you'd note I hadn't said anything about MS BS, just your BS. Maybe drink some tea or something, calm down, take a walk? Go watch the calming fishes that cguys.org so thoughtfully provides.

[CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-07 Thread Tom Piwowar
Speed Test: Windows 7 May Not Be Much Faster Than Vista http://www.pcworld.com/article/164485/speed_test_windows_7_may_not_be_much_ faster_than_vista.html PC World's speed tests against Vista show Win7 is 1-4 percent faster, below the threshold of human perception. Why am I not $urprised?

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-07 Thread Jeff Wright
Speed Test: Windows 7 May Not Be Much Faster Than Vista http://www.pcworld.com/article/164485/speed_test_windows_7_may_not_be_much_ faster_than_vista.html PC World's speed tests against Vista show Win7 is 1-4 percent faster, below the threshold of human perception. Wow. They couldn't

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-07 Thread Tom Piwowar
Wow. They couldn't even wait for the article to whip out the weasel words. *May* not be *much* faster? On a synthetic test? Is this the best you could do? I guess it is tough not having right on your side. Why am I nor $urprised?

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-07 Thread Jeff Wright
Is this the best you could do? *I* don't have to do much at all. The question you should be asking, Is this the best the reviewer could do? I guess it is tough not having right on your side. Very true, which is why the article comes off as so weak. Speaking of weak: PC World's speed tests

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-07 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Writers in the tech press are stating frankly that M$ (lisp or whistle here, which ever appeals) is continuing their trend of slowing operating systems. XP was slower than NT/2000. Vista is slower than XP. Now w7 will be slower than Vista. My dog can detect trends this obvious! Thank you,

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-07 Thread Jeff Wright
Writers in the tech press are stating frankly that M$ (lisp or whistle here, which ever appeals) is continuing their trend of slowing operating systems. XP was slower than NT/2000. Vista is slower than XP. Now w7 will be slower than Vista. My dog can detect trends this obvious! Time to

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-07 Thread Tom Piwowar
Time to send Fido back to trend analysis school. Even the article didn't say that Win7 is slower than Vista. As you pointed out, testing used synthetic benchmarks. Vendors tend to code for these well-known benchmarks. We expect real world experience to be worse.

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-07 Thread Jeff Wright
As you pointed out, testing used synthetic benchmarks. Vendors tend to code for these well-known benchmarks. We expect real world experience to be worse. Actually, the expectation is that real-world results will be just be different. Synthetic benchmarks only measure what they were designed

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-07 Thread Jeff Wright
You have a talent for missing the obvious. My comment about DDR was in regards to one improvement out of many. A series of small improvements will add up: 2% here, 3% there, 1% someplace else... and the total can be 20%, 30%, 40%, 100% or more. That's how the job is done. You said no

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-07 Thread Jeff Wright
Just for grins and googles, I did sample searches and found the following: Results 1 - 10 of about 4,350 for windows 7 faster http://www.google.com/search?source=ighl=enrlz=q=%22windows+7+faster%22a q=foq= Results 1 - 10 of about 98 for windows 7 slower

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-07 Thread Tom Piwowar
A 44-1 ratio of the word faster over slower. Did you search on unimpressive? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-07 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Jeff Wright As you pointed out, testing used synthetic benchmarks. Vendors tend to code for these well-known benchmarks. We expect real world experience to be worse. Actually, the expectation is that real-world results will be just be different. Synthetic benchmarks only measure what they

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-07 Thread Tom Piwowar
Mac Mini review that was faster for all sorts of reasons Despite your ureasoned commentary, the text you quote makes exactly that point faster for all sorts of reasons. That's the difference of looking at parts vs looking at the whole. This magazine's speed test shows that as a whole Win7 is

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-07 Thread Tom Piwowar
Let's just conveniently forget the hundreds of hands-on reviews that *all* indicated much better performance on the same hardware over Vista. We found the one that says what you want it to say. PCWorld is the first to run scientific benchmarks. I find your don't-bother-me-with-the-facts

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-07 Thread Jeff Wright
Despite your ureasoned commentary, the text you quote makes exactly that point faster for all sorts of reasons. That's the difference of looking at parts vs looking at the whole. This magazine's speed test shows that as a whole Win7 is unimpressive. Guard, turn, dodge, parry, spin, thrust!

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-07 Thread mike
You bet it's appalling, that's exclusively your gig. On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: PCWorld is the first to run scientific benchmarks. I find your don't-bother-me-with-the-facts attitude appalling.

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-07 Thread Jeff Wright
PCWorld is the first to run scientific benchmarks. Three unconfirmed tests by some slacker are scientific? You sound like a fine, upstanding young man, allow me to tell you about a slightly used bridge I have for sale. Oh, and no they aren't the first; far from it. I linked to a scientific

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-07 Thread Rich Schinnell
FWIW, I installed Win 7 RC on a Intel dual core w 2 gigs ram and a nvidia 512 graphics card. 160gb new SATA drive in less than 20 minutes to the final desktop. YMMV Rich * ** List info, subscription management, list

Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

2009-05-07 Thread mike
Don't start getting facts in the way of Tom's BS, I'm using it to help get my yard in this weekend. On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Rich Schinnell richnrockvi...@gmail.comwrote: FWIW, I installed Win 7 RC on a Intel dual core w 2 gigs ram and a nvidia 512 graphics card. 160gb new SATA drive