Allemande 1 1/2 in 8 beats is certainly possible, though doing half with one
person and once around with a different person probably makes the timing a bit
trickier than 1 1/2 with the same person. However, I think the timing of the
orbits halfway in 4 beats is also tricky, assuming 4 beats
Allemande 1 1/2 is only 8 counts!
On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 12:03 AM Joe Harrington via Contra Callers <
contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> Interesting!
>
> Sorry to nitpick, but how did the B2 go? It appears there are 12 counts
> in the first half of B2 (allemande 1 1/2 = 12 counts).
Interesting!
Sorry to nitpick, but how did the B2 go? It appears there are 12 counts in
the first half of B2 (allemande 1 1/2 = 12 counts). Are you encouraging
them just to cheat in the extra beats by doing the allemandes faster? Did
that create the scrambles?
--jh--
On Wed, May 22, 2024 at
My understanding, and to some extent experience, is that musicians did not
like it because the dancers often failed to find the correct beat.
Michael Barraclough
On 22 May 2024 17:45:44 Julian Blechner via Contra Callers
wrote:
John Sweeney hit on a big reason I'm baffled, in pointing out
Petronella & The Clap. I’m a dancer who grew up with Petronella and Rory O’More
as local stable in David Woodsfellow calling. (I find it funny when callers
say, “as in Petronella,” or, “as in Rory O’More,” and look around and think
there’s only one or two in the hall that have dance either.)
Petronella claps interfere with my listening to the music
On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 10:50 AM Maia McCormick via Contra Callers <
contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> tldr: those of you who are anti-Petronella claps (in general, not just in
> specific cases where they interrupt flow from
I’ve gotten used to it over time, but clapping sometimes bugs me as both a
dancer and a caller. It isn’t the clapping itself, so much as the fact
that it almost always impacts the flow or execution of the next move to
some extent.
Here are a couple specific reasons they stick out to me, and
I've been contradancing since 1986 and there was clapping on Petronella turns
*then*, and there were some people who were opposed to it, and I never knew why.
I think the arguments about acoustic latency and throwing the band off are good
explanations for why it's a bad idea to, say, clap along
As a musician I'm generally pretty positive on clapping, noisy balances,
whoops, and other noises from the hall -- it communicates that the dancers
are having fun and feeling the music!
Jeff
On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 2:35 PM Mac Mckeever via Contra Callers <
contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net>
I have heard that, especially in larger halls - the time it takes for the music
to get to the dancers and then the clapping back to the band makes the clapping
out of time with what the band is trying to do and can be annoying.
I am not sure I ever heard a musician say that
Mac
On
The justification I heard ~25 years ago, when resistance to the claps
seemed even greater, was that the acoustic latency in a long hall could put
the band off kilter and it was a matter of respect to them. To illustrate:
in a hundred foot hall, from the time the band plays a note, to the time
the
I’m no expert, but I was dancing back in the era when clapping was frowned
upon, and still often refrain from clapping. I can think of 2 reasons.
First, this was simply a case of the dancers doing a move differently than the
caller had taught it - and not just a few dancers occasionally, but a
John Sweeney hit on a big reason I'm baffled, in pointing out that the
balances in Petronella (the dance) are in the second half of a phrase. So
what's funny is that in the originally Petronella, it's
Spin spin spin pause
Stomp Stomp Stomp Stomp (or steps, but, still)
And in the modern move it's
Hi Maia,
I have no claim to expertise, but I'm with you. In dances where the Petronella
claps don't interfere with anything, why not? Dancers enjoy it, and it can
often be one of the first things new dancers notice about unified timing. I'm
not sure how it originated, but since the move
HI Maia,
“Dedication to historical accuracy?”
No, it can’t be that since the current move bears no resemblance
to the historical move!
It always seem strange to me that people who accept that the Petronella has
been changed from the original Petronella in
tldr: those of you who are anti-Petronella claps (in general, not just in
specific cases where they interrupt flow from the spin into the next move),
I want to understand why!
Clapping on Petronella turns has been the overwhelming norm ever since I
started dancing, but I know that it wasn't
I've put together a dance with stars, orbits, shifting waves and Rorys, but no
planets (circles). Here it is:
Aurora O’More
Peter Foster 19 May 2024
Becket
A1 (8) Rights and lefts
(8) Left hand star
A2 (8) Women allemande left once around WHILE men turn out and orbit clockwise
halfway to
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