Re: Fwd: Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-27 Thread Jamie Zawinski
Alan wrote: If Jamie or other distributions don't care, fine.. But we DO care, we don't want to get sued.. That is why xmatrix was removed and there is no plan to put it back (except if you get a royalted free license for commercial distribution of xmatrix from The Matrix artwork authors..)

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-25 Thread Michal Bukovjan
J.A. Magallon wrote: On 2002.04.24 Geoffrey Lee wrote: of The Matrix artwork ? If Jamie or other distributions don't care, fine.. But we DO care, we don't want to get sued.. That is why xmatrix was removed and there is no plan to put it back (except if you get a royalted free license for

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-25 Thread Alan
On Wednesday 24 April 2002 06:12 am, Frederic Crozat wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:02:25 +0200, Geoffrey Lee wrote: /* snip */ UNIX? Anyway, why don't you ask Geoffrey Lee why he removed the xmatrix hack. From rpm -q --changelog xscreensaver: * Don Feb 15 2001 Geoffrey Lee [EMAIL

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-25 Thread Frederic Crozat
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:31:39 +0200, Alan wrote: On Wednesday 24 April 2002 06:12 am, Frederic Crozat wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:02:25 +0200, Geoffrey Lee wrote: /* snip */ UNIX? Anyway, why don't you ask Geoffrey Lee why he removed the xmatrix hack. From rpm -q --changelog

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-25 Thread Patrick Mullaley
Ok, That screesaver is gone... someone took it out to protect Mandrake. Moderator, Please Kill this Thread! Enough already! Patrick Frederic Crozat wrote: On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:31:39 +0200, Alan wrote: On Wednesday 24 April 2002 06:12 am, Frederic Crozat wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2002

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-25 Thread Leon Brooks
On Thursday 25 April 2002 14:31, Alan wrote: There is no artwork involved. it is a character set. I think you guys are overracting. I don't. Although the risk of being sued is negligible, the *damage* that would ensue (basically, Mandrake goes under) is extreme enough to make the choice

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-25 Thread PlugHead
I think you guys are overracting. I don't. Although the risk of being sued is negligible, the *damage* that would ensue (basically, Mandrake goes under) is extreme enough to make the choice uneconomical. I don't either. From what I hear WB are complete bastards. Last I knew they (WB)

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-24 Thread Goetz Waschk
Am Dienstag, 23. April 2002, 18:51:29 Uhr MET, schrieb Alan: [xmatrix] My question is why it is not included in the *standard* distribution. NO other distribution turns off xmatrix in their binary packages. (At least none that Jamie Zawinski has ever heard of. And he whote it!) Here is

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-24 Thread Geoffrey Lee
/* snip */ UNIX? Anyway, why don't you ask Geoffrey Lee why he removed the xmatrix hack. From rpm -q --changelog xscreensaver: * Don Feb 15 2001 Geoffrey Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.28-3mdk - Remove the xmatrix screensaver as there are copyright problems. Oh my gosh. I was the one who

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-24 Thread Frederic Crozat
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:02:25 +0200, Geoffrey Lee wrote: /* snip */ UNIX? Anyway, why don't you ask Geoffrey Lee why he removed the xmatrix hack. From rpm -q --changelog xscreensaver: * Don Feb 15 2001 Geoffrey Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.28-3mdk - Remove the xmatrix screensaver as

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-24 Thread J.A. Magallon
On 2002.04.24 Frederic Crozat wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:02:25 +0200, Geoffrey Lee wrote: /* snip */ UNIX? Anyway, why don't you ask Geoffrey Lee why he removed the xmatrix hack. From rpm -q --changelog xscreensaver: * Don Feb 15 2001 Geoffrey Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.28-3mdk -

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-24 Thread Geoffrey Lee
of The Matrix artwork ? If Jamie or other distributions don't care, fine.. But we DO care, we don't want to get sued.. That is why xmatrix was removed and there is no plan to put it back (except if you get a royalted free license for commercial distribution of xmatrix from The Matrix

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-24 Thread Hoyt
On Wednesday 24 April 2002 09:51 am, Geoffrey Lee wrote: Probably, or probably not. But we can't risk our asses just because we *think* that it's ok to use xmatrix without some sort of licensing. I'm sure that was what I felt when I removed it. Isn't knowing better than guessing? Someone

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-24 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Wed Apr 24 23:51 +1000, Geoffrey Lee wrote: Probably, or probably not. But we can't risk our asses just because we *think* that it's ok to use xmatrix without some sort of licensing. I'm sure that was what I felt when I removed it. Exactly. If Mandrake gets sued by the entertainment

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-24 Thread Guy.Bormann
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Levi Ramsey wrote: On Wed Apr 24 23:51 +1000, Geoffrey Lee wrote: Probably, or probably not. But we can't risk our asses just because we *think* that it's ok to use xmatrix without some sort of licensing. I'm sure that was what I felt when I removed it. Exactly.

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-24 Thread J.A. Magallon
On 2002.04.24 Geoffrey Lee wrote: of The Matrix artwork ? If Jamie or other distributions don't care, fine.. But we DO care, we don't want to get sued.. That is why xmatrix was removed and there is no plan to put it back (except if you get a royalted free license for commercial

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-24 Thread Ben Reser
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 06:39:39PM +0200, Guy.Bormann wrote: Well, instead of speculating, it's maybe time to actually consult a lawyer for this type of issues. This kind of discussion will occur more often as media companies tend to sit on their property, or what they think should be their

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-24 Thread Leon Brooks
On Wednesday 24 April 2002 21:12, Frederic Crozat wrote: Is it really hard to understand that xmatrix is really a non-licensed use of The Matrix artwork ? If Jamie or other distributions don't care, fine.. But we DO care, we don't want to get sued.. That is why xmatrix was removed and there

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-24 Thread Geoffrey Lee
spend huge amounts on lawyers) Mandrake will go under. Not could, but will. Well, instead of speculating, it's maybe time to actually consult a lawyer for this type of issues. This kind of discussion will occur more often as media companies tend to sit on their property, or what they

[Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-23 Thread Alan
In looking at the spec file for xscreensaver I notice that xmatrix and extrusion are set not to build. extrusion I can understand because it requires a specialized GL extrusion library. Why is xmatrix disabled? If it is copyright nonsense, then lament should not be there either.

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-23 Thread R.I.P. Deaddog
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: In looking at the spec file for xscreensaver I notice that xmatrix and extrusion are set not to build. extrusion I can understand because it requires a specialized GL extrusion library. As a matter of fact, the gle library is in cooker too. Abel Why

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-23 Thread Alan
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 01:25 am, R.I.P. Deaddog wrote: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: In looking at the spec file for xscreensaver I notice that xmatrix and extrusion are set not to build. extrusion I can understand because it requires a specialized GL extrusion library. As a

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-23 Thread R.I.P. Deaddog
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: In looking at the spec file for xscreensaver I notice that xmatrix and extrusion are set not to build. extrusion I can understand because it requires a specialized GL extrusion library. As a matter of fact, the gle library is in cooker too.

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-23 Thread Alan
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 01:36 am, R.I.P. Deaddog wrote: On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: In looking at the spec file for xscreensaver I notice that xmatrix and extrusion are set not to build. extrusion I can understand because it requires a specialized GL extrusion library.

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-23 Thread R.I.P. Deaddog
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: xmatrix: of course it's the stupid copyright If this is correct, then someone is stretching copyright paranoia a little too far. During the old days, it's pretty dangerous. When things settle down, people tend to ignore it. But if it's brought out

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-23 Thread Goetz Waschk
Am Dienstag, 23. April 2002, 17:10:08 Uhr MET, schrieb R.I.P. Deaddog: On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: extrusion: gle is in contrib (and things on main distro shouldn't depend on contrib stuff), and gle is not used by anything else for now. Perhaps adding a

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-23 Thread R.I.P. Deaddog
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Goetz Waschk wrote: Am Dienstag, 23. April 2002, 17:10:08 Uhr MET, schrieb R.I.P. Deaddog: On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: extrusion: gle is in contrib (and things on main [...] Why hasn't anyone of you looked at the spec file of latest xscreensaver? There's

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-23 Thread Alan
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 02:10 am, R.I.P. Deaddog wrote: On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: xmatrix: of course it's the stupid copyright If this is correct, then someone is stretching copyright paranoia a little too far. During the old days, it's pretty dangerous. When things settle

Re: [Cooker] Why is xmatrix missing from xscreensaver?

2002-04-23 Thread Alan
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 04:05 am, Goetz Waschk wrote: Am Dienstag, 23. April 2002, 17:10:08 Uhr MET, schrieb R.I.P. Deaddog: On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: extrusion: gle is in contrib (and things on main distro shouldn't depend on contrib stuff), and gle