Re: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-31 Thread Yura Gusev
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Alexander Skwar wrote: So sprach »Pixel« am 2002-01-30 um 10:56:20 +0100 : remove package basesystem and this limitation will go away... Is lilo needed at all if I use grub? If not, then both grub and lilo should provide bootloader and basesystem should require

Re: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-31 Thread David Walser
--- tester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander Skwar wrote: So sprach »Pixel« am 2002-01-30 um 10:56:20 +0100 : remove package basesystem and this limitation will go away... Is lilo needed at all if I use grub? If not, then both grub and lilo should provide bootloader and

Re: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-31 Thread David Walser
--- tester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ummm, and economics rears its ugly head You see, if you do a --whatprovides query, you should get a unique answer in mdk. Otherwise it is a nightmare when a tarball changes--have to repackage all of them that provide it, and the distro gets

RE: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-31 Thread Borsenkow Andrej
Did it pick up kernel-headers being in glibc? Now you people have to waste your time repackaging glibc every time you change the kernel. Do you really know what you are talking about? Please, check archives where it was explained (multiple times). Kernel-headers has noting to do with

RE: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-31 Thread David Walser
According to the documentation that comes with the kernel sources, the kernel sources installed in /usr/include (or symlinked there) should be the ones your glibc was compiled against. Having the glibc SRPM compile against Mandrake's kernel-headers package forces us to waste disk space

RE: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-31 Thread Borsenkow Andrej
According to the documentation that comes with the kernel sources, the kernel sources installed in /usr/include (or symlinked there) should be the ones your glibc was compiled against. Having the glibc SRPM compile against Mandrake's kernel-headers package forces us to waste disk space

RE: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-31 Thread David Walser
It's in their glibc SRPM. If you rebuild it, it compiles against Mandrake's kernel-headers package, rather than what is in /usr/include (which could be Mandrake's kernel-headers package, and should be on Mandrake's build machine). For the sysadmin this is an annoyance because it doesn't let

RE: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-31 Thread Borsenkow Andrej
It's in their glibc SRPM. If you rebuild it, it compiles against Mandrake's kernel-headers package, rather than what is in /usr/include (which could be Mandrake's kernel-headers package, and should be on Mandrake's build machine). For the sysadmin this is an annoyance because it doesn't

RE: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-31 Thread David Walser
--- Borsenkow Andrej [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you should not compile glibc against kernel sources. So I found the thread in the archives. I already knew that the version of the kernel-headers doesn't neccesarily match the version of the kernel. glibc is supposed to be compiled against a

Re: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-30 Thread Alexander Skwar
So sprach »Yura Gusev« am 2002-01-29 um 21:24:31 -0500 : No i dont see any logic in this statement. What I'm meaning to say: There might be some uses of any software, but I'd say for the majority of the target audience (home users), any software is not needed. So it should be removed. (or

Re: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-30 Thread Pixel
Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another example of bloat: I use grub as my bootloader. This means I don't use lilo. But when I try to rpm -e lilo, I get an error message saying that lilo is required by basesystem. IIRC, there's some stuff in the lilo package which is also

Re: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-30 Thread Alexander Skwar
So sprach »Pixel« am 2002-01-30 um 10:56:20 +0100 : remove package basesystem and this limitation will go away... Is lilo needed at all if I use grub? If not, then both grub and lilo should provide bootloader and basesystem should require bootloader and not lilo and/or grub. Alexander Skwar

Re: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-30 Thread tester
Alexander Skwar wrote: So sprach »Pixel« am 2002-01-30 um 10:56:20 +0100 : remove package basesystem and this limitation will go away... Is lilo needed at all if I use grub? If not, then both grub and lilo should provide bootloader and basesystem should require bootloader and not lilo

[Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-29 Thread Stefan Siegel
Hello Reinhard Es schrieb Reinhard Katzmann: AFAIK xfs in meanwhile no longer needed with XFree 4.2, so why not simply remove it ? We had this discussion some time ago, but OK once again: We are running several Xterminals at our university which get their fonts by a Mandrake Linux

Re: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-29 Thread Reinhard Katzmann
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:33:17AM +0100, Stefan Siegel wrote: Hello Reinhard Es schrieb Reinhard Katzmann: AFAIK xfs in meanwhile no longer needed with XFree 4.2, so why not simply remove it ? We had this discussion some time ago, but OK once again: We are running several Xterminals

RE: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-29 Thread Borsenkow Andrej
Ok, then make it optional at least (and don't use it any longer with the default installation). It is easier for packages to modify just one file when adding font paths. If you remove xfs support every package with own fonts has to be modified. And you still have to modify xfs configuration

Re: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-29 Thread Alexander Skwar
So sprach »Stefan Siegel« am 2002-01-29 um 11:33:17 +0100 : Linux XFS Font server. So it is needet! Maybe not for for everyone out there, but there are still lots of users ... Really lots of users? Well, you may need it, but for instance I don't have any ext2 filesystems, and also no ide

Re: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-29 Thread volsung
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Alexander Skwar wrote: So sprach »Stefan Siegel« am 2002-01-29 um 11:33:17 +0100 : Linux XFS Font server. So it is needet! Maybe not for for everyone out there, but there are still lots of users ... for the majority of the target audience (home users), XFS is not

Re: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-29 Thread Michael
On Tuesday 29 January 2002 17.41, Alexander Skwar wrote: So sprach »Stefan Siegel« am 2002-01-29 um 11:33:17 +0100 : Linux XFS Font server. So it is needet! Maybe not for for everyone out there, but there are still lots of users ... Really lots of users? Well, you may need it, but for

Re: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-29 Thread Reinhard Katzmann
Hi! On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 06:00:44PM +0100, Michael wrote: On Tuesday 29 January 2002 17.41, Alexander Skwar wrote: Really lots of users? Well, you may need it, but for instance I don't have any ext2 filesystems, and also no ide stuff. But still these drivers are compiled into the

Re: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-29 Thread Michael
On Tuesday 29 January 2002 18.45, Reinhard Katzmann wrote: Hi! On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 06:00:44PM +0100, Michael wrote: On Tuesday 29 January 2002 17.41, Alexander Skwar wrote: Really lots of users? Well, you may need it, but for instance I don't have any ext2 filesystems, and also no

Re: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-29 Thread Peter Ruskin
On Tuesday 29 Jan 2002 16:41, Alexander Skwar wrote: So sprach »Stefan Siegel« am 2002-01-29 um 11:33:17 +0100 : Linux XFS Font server. So it is needet! Maybe not for for everyone out there, but there are still lots of users ... Really lots of users? Well, you may need it, but for

Re: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-29 Thread Yura Gusev
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Peter Ruskin wrote: On Tuesday 29 Jan 2002 16:41, Alexander Skwar wrote: So sprach »Stefan Siegel« am 2002-01-29 um 11:33:17 +0100 : Linux XFS Font server. So it is needet! Maybe not for for everyone out there, but there are still lots of users ... Really lots

Re: [Cooker] XFS is needet! [Was: AbiWord]

2002-01-29 Thread Roger
On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 12:45, Reinhard Katzmann wrote: I guess you guys mixed up xfs (x file system) and xfs (X font server) ;-) i hate when people do this. ...eh. It's not really the same thing, having ide and ext2 stuff compiled into the kernel doesn't really hurt you, it's just