Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

scussion (and writing down the name of volunteers :) From: "Mike Milinkovich" To: , Date: 07/17/2013 04:14 PM Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread) Sent by:cross-pro

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

On 07/16/2013 10:36 AM, zhu kane wrote: I think Eclipse can offer a feature to synchronize kinds of configuration, like Chrome and Firefox Sync. Developers can use their account of eclipse.org to synchronize their installation of plug-ins, preference configuration and even

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

On 15.07.2013 22:08, Pascal Rapicault wrote: > Unfortunately I don't think that the JDT approach is workable for all > preferences, and asking the user for the scope where he wants to store a > particular preference is going to result in complex UI that will confuse > users. How about a global "ch

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> Date: Monday, 15 July, 2013 6:55 PM To: Cross project issues mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread) Internally t

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

committers. christian Von: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] Im Auftrag von Mickael Istria Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Juli 2013 10:52 An: cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org Betreff: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic w

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

On 07/18/2013 10:37 AM, Campo, Christian wrote: But are we not already aware of say the top 10 things that we think should be done. I'm not sure about that. I have my personal bets on some of the top features, but I'm not sure what I have in mind is actually what would make the user ecosystem h

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

issues-dev@eclipse.org>> Datum: Donnerstag, 18. Juli 2013 09:59 An: "mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org<mailto:mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org>" mailto:mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org>> Cc: Cross issues mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> Betreff: Re: [cross-project-is

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

I understand your point about the lack of resources. For sure, more contributors/workforce would be the solution to most issues. But let's face it, the "lack of resources" problem has been there for years, and despite of all efforts made by the project teams, the number of contributors doens't g

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

Absolutely. Those types of strategy and funding discussions happen at the Board. I would encourage you to pass along your thoughts to the Committer Reps and to the Oracle rep on the Eclipse Board. These type of common good projects should not conflict with Foundation’s charter, so if it’s

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

BTW, here's a great article Ian Skerrett posted on twitter. Says a lot of the things we've been saying: stephesblog.blogs.com/my_weblog/2013/07/patterns-and-practices-for-open-sou rce-software-success.html Eclipse is even mentioned as a good example, but we've never really been that good at: "Out

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Mike Milinkovich Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:17 PM To: 'Cross project issues' Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread) That seems to be an odd statement, gi

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

The secret is simple. Manage the project differently, if barely at all. Let the contributors manage it. Be open, really open. And automate as much as you can so you aren't relying on individuals so much. Hell, I've managed to do that with our commercial product builds. (Jenkins, uh, I mean Hudson/

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

That seems to be an odd statement, given that the Eclipse Foundation does not manage the release train, nor do we interact with the community on behalf of specific projects. At least not in the ways necessary to be responsive to their needs. All the discussions that I have seen are either

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

27; mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread) +1 to what Doug is saying. All the discussions that I have seen are either about being more responsive to

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> I'm not sure why we're always expecting companies to drop bus loads of > developers into projects when we have a pretty healthy individual contributor > community already at Eclipse. In fact, over half of CDT contributions of late > are > coming from individuals, not companies. And it's really

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

ike Milinkovich Organization: Eclipse Foundation Reply-To: "mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org" , Cross project issues Date: Wednesday, 17 July, 2013 2:58 PM To: 'Mickael Istria' , 'Cross project issues' Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

;>, 'Cross project issues' mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread) Mickael, These are general comments, and are certainly not meant as a criticism of

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

d _love_ to see improvements in all of these areas. Mike Milinkovich mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org +1.613.220.3223 From: Mickael Istria [mailto:mist...@redhat.com] Sent: July-17-13 11:53 AM To: mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org; Cross project issues Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

On 07/17/2013 12:58 PM, Doug Schaefer wrote: That's why we need to *grow the contributor community*. The more hands we have on deck the more we can do this kind of analysis and planning and get things done. I suspect that the codebase for any mature Eclipse project is quite intimidating. A

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

ssues-dev@eclipse.org>> Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread) On 07/17/2013 06:23 PM, Doug Schaefer wrote: My answer: It's something I expect the PMC to provide. Which PMC that is, is being discussed on an

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

On 07/17/2013 06:23 PM, Doug Schaefer wrote: My answer: It's something I expect the PMC to provide. Which PMC that is, is being discussed on another thread somewhere. The issue with this approach is that the PMC is made of contributors who already have job to do at their company + some leadershi

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

ly, 2013 11:53 AM To: "mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org<mailto:mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org>" mailto:mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org>>, Cross project issues mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

On 07/17/2013 04:29 PM, Mike Milinkovich wrote: If we're looking for user feedback, reading the article and comments here[1] would be helpful. Gathering the feedback and reacting to it based on end-users request is not something Eclipse contributors generally excel at doing. The main entr

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

t;>, Cross issues mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> Datum: Mittwoch, 17. Juli 2013 16:29 An: Cross issues mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> Betreff: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

[mailto:christian.ca...@compeople.de] Sent: July-17-13 10:47 AM To: mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org; Cross project issues Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread) Are you sure that Visual Studio is our target for

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

...@eclipse.org [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Megert Sent: July-16-13 4:12 AM To: Cross project issues Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread) Christian, the "refresh&

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

gt;> Reply-To: Cross project issues mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> Date: Tuesday, 16 July, 2013 10:12 AM To: Cross project issues mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

tian" To: Cross project issues Date: 16.07.2013 09:54 Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread) Sent by:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org Sharing prefs between workspaces sounds

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

Pascal Rapicault mailto:pascal.rapica...@ericsson.com>> Reply-To: Cross project issues mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> Date: Monday, 15 July, 2013 6:55 PM To: Cross project issues mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> Subject: Re: [cross-project

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

> > From:Henrik > To: Cross project issues > Date: 15.07.2013 18:45 > Subject: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched > in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread) > Sent by:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse

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-options.html From: Henrik To: Cross project issues Date: 15.07.2013 18:45 Subject:[cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread) Sent by:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org Hi all, I know that prefe

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

stored. From: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Konstantin Komissarchik Sent: July-15-13 2:53 PM To: 'Cross project issues' Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in &q

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

n...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Konstantin Komissarchik Sent: July-15-13 2:53 PM To: 'Cross project issues' Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread) > The main issue is to determine *which* metadata is common

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

o: Cross project issues Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread) This is a great discussion ! To me it's always seemed odd that the workspace is where all the ui information is stored. I'd like to always

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

nism). From: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [ mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Henrik Sent: July-15-13 12:45 PM To: Cross project issues Subject: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thre

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do the work. :) From:        Henrik To:        Cross project issues , Date:        07/15/2013 12:47 PM Subject:        [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touche

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

Henrik > To: Cross project issues , > Date: 07/15/2013 12:47 PM > Subject:[cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched > in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread) > Sent by:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org > --

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

Am 15.07.2013 18:55, schrieb Pascal Rapicault: Internally the preferences are already organized in “scopes” that are: -Project -Workspace -Configuration -(There is no such thing as “system”) However the user does not have a say as in the scope in which a value should be stored. This is most

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

at's not the only thing, and sure, we can always do better ... if someone is willing to do the work. :) From: Henrik To: Cross project issues , Date: 07/15/2013 12:47 PM Subject: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead"

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

y, 15 July, 2013 6:55 PM To: Cross project issues mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread) Internally the preferences are already organized in “scopes” that are

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

Cross project issues Subject: [cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread) Hi all, I know that preferences can be imported/exported. Yet I find it a bit cumbersome to care about that every time I create a new workspace. Wouldn'

[cross-project-issues-dev] Preferences (topic was touched in "Eclipse smells kind of dead" thread)

Hi all, I know that preferences can be imported/exported. Yet I find it a bit cumbersome to care about that every time I create a new workspace. Wouldn't it make sense to have preferences arranged in several layers similar to git: system/user/workspace? Also I could imagine to offer a web page