Re: [css-d] Page width problem with IE6

2008-09-18 Thread Tim Dawson
Martin Möller wrote: Tim Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Works OK in FF3 and IE7, but in IE6 the menu persists in being about 30px too wide, as does the div#inner (grey background), although both are set to 770px in the CSS. Hi Tim, Checkout: !--[if IE 6] link rel=stylesheet

[css-d] IE8 and rendering bands with Zoom

2008-09-18 Thread Alan Gresley
Hello all. IE8b2 still has the bug of slow reflow when zoom is used. http://css-class.com/test/bugs/ie/renderingbands.htm The 150px bands are still visible. Any page that makes heavy use of repeated backgrounds is impacted when the zoom is used in any direction (75% ~ 125%). Some IE bugs just

[css-d] some table CSS experiment and how to simulate the old school cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 border=0 and then border=1

2008-09-18 Thread liketo findoutwhy
I found that several books elaborated on the rules of table CSS but didn't cover how to achieve the old school ways table cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 border=0 and table cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 border=0 border=1 or other common usage... i wrote up some experimentation on

[css-d] padding or margin differences between Firefox3 for the Mac and Firefox3 for the pc

2008-09-18 Thread Nancy Johnson
Thank you I did find a fix, that seemed to work in both versions of Firefox, by adjusting by bottom margin slightly There is one other issue between Firefox3 for the pc and Firefox3 for the mac. It doesn't seem to matter the doctype. What is live is standards but an old doctype. I have a div

Re: [css-d] IE8 and rendering bands with Zoom

2008-09-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Alan Gresley wrote: IE8b2 still has the bug of slow reflow when zoom is used. http://css-class.com/test/bugs/ie/renderingbands.htm Some IE bugs just never die. You're right about that, but at least old bugs like that are controllable. Found any entirely new IE8 bugs lately? I have only

[css-d] if i must use Quicks mode, then 1 div becomes 4 div's to work across modern browsers?

2008-09-18 Thread liketo findoutwhy
I think due to the DOM scripting or something, there is a page when I change to Standard Compliance Mode, the page's javascript/VBScript won't run. So I am forced to use Quirks mode for that page. The box I want is div style=margin-top:3px;width:300px;height:75px;border:1px solid black;

Re: [css-d] Possible to install multiple versions of IE?

2008-09-18 Thread Mark Senff
To address the original question first: --- On Thu, 9/18/08, Hedley Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently, I was using IE 7 just for day-to-day browsing for years. Just recently I started to build my website and now have installed several browsers for testing. Is it possible to install

Re: [css-d] padding or margin differences between Firefox3 for the Mac and Firefox3 for the pc

2008-09-18 Thread David Laakso
Nancy Johnson wrote: I have a div entitled content and a very dark gray and it houses two divs leftnav and contentcopy. leftnav has no background color, contentcopy is a lighter gray. Firefox 3 for the Mac you can see content div appear on the right as a thin line whereas Firefox3 for the

[css-d] Delayed Appreciation

2008-09-18 Thread Duane Nelson
Good morning, all. I posted a request for some IE5/6 issue with alansonnazarene.org on Larbor Day weekend (last weekend of August). Gunlaug (Georg) Sørtun answered in a very timely manner with a solution that corrected the problem. However as I went to address it on my server, I discovered that

Re: [css-d] padding or margin differences between Firefox3 for the Mac and Firefox3 for the pc

2008-09-18 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Sep 18, 2008, at 9:08 PM, Nancy Johnson wrote: There is one other issue between Firefox3 for the pc and Firefox3 for the mac. It doesn't seem to matter the doctype. What is live is standards but an old doctype. I have a div entitled content and a very dark gray and it houses two divs

[css-d] Troubleshooting methods for IE?

2008-09-18 Thread Annesta
Hi All, I'm apologize if this was brought up before. I searched the archives but couldn't find anything on this topic. What tools and methods do you guys use to troubleshoot in IE? Right now I've got it all covered in Mozilla FF. I use the webdeveloper toolbar, in conjunction with firebug to

Re: [css-d] if i must use Quicks mode, then 1 div becomes 4 div's to work across modern browsers?

2008-09-18 Thread David Laakso
liketo findoutwhy wrote: The box I want is div style=margin-top:3px;width:300px;height:75px;border:1px solid black; padding:4px;overflow:auto; [dynamic content] /div could that be right -- there needs to be 4 div's to make it work? Can it be 3 instead? Thanks very much! Not sure I

Re: [css-d] padding or margin differences between Firefox3 for the Mac and Firefox3 for the pc

2008-09-18 Thread Nancy Johnson
Thank you for your suggestions. I am updating the stylesheet and already converted the remaining px I must have missed the first time round to ems. I am also changing the doctype xhtml in the newer files to XHTML. It is a tight layout since I took it from a older tabular look and feel. I did

Re: [css-d] if i must use Quicks mode, then 1 div becomes 4 div's to work across modern browsers?

2008-09-18 Thread David Laakso
David Laakso wrote: liketo findoutwhy wrote: The box I want is div style=margin-top:3px;width:300px;height:75px;border:1px solid black; padding:4px;overflow:auto; [dynamic content] /div could that be right -- there needs to be 4 div's to make it work? Can it be 3 instead? Thanks

Re: [css-d] Troubleshooting methods for IE?

2008-09-18 Thread David Laakso
Annesta wrote: What tools and methods do you guys use to troubleshoot in IE? But when I have problems in IE, it is extremely difficult for me to find what's wrong. - Annesta Some helpful sites for coping with Redmond (and most anything else): [1] On having layout

[css-d] a great CSS experiment: how to build it

2008-09-18 Thread Gabriele Romanato
Dear all, today I've made a great CSS experiment and I'd like to share it with you. At 11:00 AM I've taken a bus to the local station. I've waited until 11:46 PM. Then I've crossed the railway lines just before the train was arriving. The police didn't agree that this was an experiment, so I was

Re: [css-d] Troubleshooting methods for IE?

2008-09-18 Thread David Hucklesby
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:14:13 -0400, Annesta wrote: [...] What tools and methods do you guys use to troubleshoot in IE? [...] I find the IE Debug Bar quite useful. It has some issues, but it is better than Microsoft's version (IMHO). http://www.debugbar.com/ Cordially, David --

Re: [css-d] Page width problem with IE6

2008-09-18 Thread Tim Dawson
David Hucklesby wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:41:20 +0100, Tim Dawson wrote, re: http://www.holidaymullandiona.co.uk/pages/home3.php Thank you Martin and David, How embarrassing ! I knew I'd been staring at it too long. Hello again Tim, You may like to install the IE Debug Bar -

Re: [css-d] Page width problem with IE6

2008-09-18 Thread David Hucklesby
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:41:20 +0100, Tim Dawson wrote, re: http://www.holidaymullandiona.co.uk/pages/home3.php Thank you Martin and David, How embarrassing ! I knew I'd been staring at it too long. Hello again Tim, You may like to install the IE Debug Bar - http://www.debugbar.com/

[css-d] css beginner in search of great books and courses

2008-09-18 Thread Josh Orlean
I am a graphic designer who has just started learning CSS and XHTML. I've got Eric Meyer's books: CSS: The Definitive Guide 2nd edition, and CSS Web Site Design Hands on Training and the zen of css design. Would appreciate any recommendations. Thanks, Josh

Re: [css-d] css beginner in search of great books and courses

2008-09-18 Thread Peter Hammarling
I am a graphic designer who has just started learning CSS and XHTML. I've got Eric Meyer's books: CSS: The Definitive Guide 2nd edition, and CSS Web Site Design Hands on Training and the zen of css design. Would appreciate any recommendations. Thanks, Josh Of the various books I

Re: [css-d] css beginner in search of great books and courses

2008-09-18 Thread Jack Timmons
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Josh Orlean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a graphic designer who has just started learning CSS and XHTML. I've got Eric Meyer's books: CSS: The Definitive Guide 2nd edition, and CSS Web Site Design Hands on Training and the zen of css design. Would appreciate

Re: [css-d] css beginner in search of great books and courses

2008-09-18 Thread Scott Hamm
CSS Zen Garden for inspiration: http://www.csszengarden.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Orlean Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 1:49 PM To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: [css-d] css beginner in search of great

Re: [css-d] css beginner in search of great books and courses

2008-09-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Josh Orlean wrote: Would appreciate any recommendations. On-line resources: http://www.opera.com/wsc/ http://reference.sitepoint.com/ regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [css-d] Possible to install multiple versions of IE?

2008-09-18 Thread Dejan Kozina
Start VirtualPC, select your image and go to Settings; look at the 'Shared Folders' line. The first time you try to designate a folder as shared (between real Windows and the image) it will say you've to first install VirtualMachine additions. To do so launch the image, wait for it to fully load

[css-d] workaround to inherited opacity

2008-09-18 Thread Rob Emenecker
Hi all, I have a project where client wants a semi-opaque border on both a masthead and a content area of their page. The masthead and content areas are both contained in DIVs that center left-to-right over a tiled background. I am trying to figure out an effective workaround the issue of

Re: [css-d] workaround to inherited opacity

2008-09-18 Thread Jack Timmons
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Rob Emenecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have a project where client wants a semi-opaque border on both a masthead and a content area of their page. The masthead and content areas are both contained in DIVs that center left-to-right over a tiled

Re: [css-d] Troubleshooting methods for IE?

2008-09-18 Thread Annesta
Thank you, i'll definitely spend some time reading those links. Very useful. On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:23 PM, David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:14:13 -0400, Annesta wrote: [...] What tools and methods do you guys use to troubleshoot in IE? [...] I find

Re: [css-d] a great CSS experiment: how to build it

2008-09-18 Thread Aaron Gray
Dear all, today I've made a great CSS experiment and I'd like to share it with you. At 11:00 AM I've taken a bus to the local station. I've waited until 11:46 PM. Then I've crossed the railway lines just before the train was arriving. The police didn't agree that this was an experiment, so

Re: [css-d] a great CSS experiment: how to build it

2008-09-18 Thread David Jones
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Gray Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:18 AM To: Gabriele Romanato; css-discuss Subject: Re: [css-d] a great CSS experiment: how to build it Dear all, today I've made a great CSS

Re: [css-d] css beginner in search of great books and courses

2008-09-18 Thread Jim Nannery
Afternoon Josh You wrote: I am a graphic designer who has just started learning CSS and XHTML. I've got Eric Meyer's books: CSS: The Definitive Guide 2nd edition, and CSS Web Site Design Hands on Training and the zen of css design. Would appreciate any recommendations. Thanks, Josh The

Re: [css-d] workaround to inherited opacity

2008-09-18 Thread Bill Brown
Rob Emenecker wrote: I have a project where client wants a semi-opaque border on both a masthead and a content area of their page. The masthead and content areas are both contained in DIVs that center left-to-right over a tiled background. I am trying to figure out an effective workaround the

[css-d] help with float and menu

2008-09-18 Thread Richard (Show) Hall
On this page the menu - supposed to be on the right - is below the content. http://richardswife.com/ The style sheet is here. http://richardswife.com/wp-content/themes/connections/style.css I tried increasing the width of #rap #main #content, since I thought there just wasn't room, with the

Re: [css-d] workaround to inherited opacity

2008-09-18 Thread Al Sparber
From: Bill Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the past, I've used a combination of RGBA, IE's gradient filter and PNGs (for Opera and FF2) to achieve this effect. Hedger Wang has a similar experiment out there somewhere on the same thing. Here's my experiment with it:

Re: [css-d] text-transform both lowercase AND capitalize?

2008-09-18 Thread Chang Huang
Thanks all. It would be nice to have the option 'text- transform:lowercase capitalize;' though. On 18/09/2008, at 3:51 AM, Andrew Frazier wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:29:08 +0100, Keith DiSarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you want to go... WORD -- word -- WORD ?? No, the aim, I

Re: [css-d] help with float and menu

2008-09-18 Thread David Laakso
Richard (Show) Hall wrote: On this page the menu - supposed to be on the right - is below the content. http://richardswife.com/ The style sheet is here. http://richardswife.com/wp-content/themes/connections/style.css I tried increasing the width of #rap #main #content, since I thought

Re: [css-d] IE menu not showing bg of links

2008-09-18 Thread Cristian Palmas
2008/9/17 Cristian Palmas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, I'm creating a XHTML/CSS template on a proprietary .NET CMS. I'm now facing bugs in IE7 and IE6, so you can see different problems in those browsers, in this moment. I'm now trying to correct the horizontal tab menu in the page at the

Re: [css-d] css beginner in search of great books and courses

2008-09-18 Thread Hedley Finger
Josh: Try the A List Apart which not only is an example in itself of terrific elegant and restrained typography that caters for both screen and print, but it full of top-notch articles which you will find cited over and over or linked to from other sites. See

Re: [css-d] css beginner in search of great books and courses

2008-09-18 Thread David Laakso
Hedley Finger wrote: Josh: Try the A List Apart Yes. Do try A List Apart http://www.alistapart.com/ which not only is an example in itself of terrific elegant and restrained typography that caters for both screen and print, You've got to be kidding? but it full of top-notch

Re: [css-d] workaround to inherited opacity

2008-09-18 Thread Bill Brown
Al Sparber wrote: From: Bill Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not good. Whenever you expose IE7 to a filter you kill font-smoothing. That's a showstopper. Best to go purely with PNGs for IE7 and forget about older browsers in the name of progressive enhancement. Not good? Seems harsh. It's a

[css-d] all the situations that the content will be shrink-wrapped

2008-09-18 Thread liketo findoutwhy
I am getting to know a few situations that the content will be shrink-wrapped: 1. when container is floated 2. when container position is absolute 3. when container position is fixed 4. when container is a table or display: table 5. when container is a span or display: inline 6. inline block? is

Re: [css-d] all the situations that the content will be shrink-wrapped

2008-09-18 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Sep 19, 2008, at 12:39 PM, liketo findoutwhy wrote: 1. when container is floated 2. when container position is absolute 3. when container position is fixed 4. when container is a table or display: table 5. when container is a span or display: inline 6. inline block? * Inline-block

Re: [css-d] workaround to inherited opacity

2008-09-18 Thread Al Sparber
From: Bill Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Al Sparber wrote: From: Bill Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not good. Whenever you expose IE7 to a filter you kill font-smoothing. That's a showstopper. Best to go purely with PNGs for IE7 and forget about older browsers in the name of progressive enhancement.

Re: [css-d] workaround to inherited opacity

2008-09-18 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Sep 19, 2008, at 12:01 PM, Bill Brown wrote: So, you could feed PNGs to Opera, FF2 and to IE7 with conditional commenting if you were hung up on the ClearTyping There is not even a need to conditional commenting, just use a background image instead of using a data:uri like yo do now.

Re: [css-d] text-transform both lowercase AND capitalize?

2008-09-18 Thread Holly Bergevin
From: Chang Huang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks all. It would be nice to have the option 'text- transform:lowercase capitalize;' though. I guess I'm missing the point here, but when I type, I automatically type words with capital letters at the beginning and lowercase ones following as needed.