Re: [css-d] Characters After Identifier?

2009-01-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
johny why wrote: http://www.javascriptkit.com/dhtmltutors/csshacks3.shtml when would you ever use characters AFTER !important? As the "unrecommended hacks" page says: if one wants to make a property/value work in IE7 and below only. The proper syntax followed by the improper syntax will then

Re: [css-d] Font size

2009-01-21 Thread David Laakso
Hayden's Harness Attachment wrote: David In order to get benefit and help from the entire membership of the list *please* reply to the list. Not me. Sorry. I pressed Control + R for reply and only your email address appeared in the "To:" field. No problem. I validated and fi

Re: [css-d] Scrollbar styles (etc.) & validation

2009-01-21 Thread Mustafa Quilon
I recently used jquery's JScrollPane plug-in[1]. It worked fine across most browsers. Only Opera had some weird behavior. I used it 'coz the other team at work was using the IE specific styles and were not happy with it. I suggested them JscrollPane and implemented it. Looks fine but in my opinion

Re: [css-d] Help: CSS (horizontal) scalable buttons using for IE6 with a slight variation...

2009-01-21 Thread Mustafa Quilon
> 2009/1/21 Stephen Tang : > Thank you for reminding me about IE6's :hover limitation. I had > forgotten about that. Hi Stephen, You can add a fix for IE using javascript[1][2]. > Thank you for looking at my code. Your second solution is what I was > trying to do. You're welcome. [1] - http:

Re: [css-d] Font size

2009-01-21 Thread Hayden's Harness Attachment
David > In order to get benefit and help from the entire membership of the list > *please* reply to the list. Not me. Sorry. I pressed Control + R for reply and only your email address appeared in the "To:" field. I validated and fix the few errors. IE7 will give 18 point Verdana and no matte

[css-d] Characters After Identifier?

2009-01-21 Thread johny why
~~~ "problem with the !important identifier that wasn't fixed in IE 7 is the treatment of non-alphanumeric characters after the identifier" http://www.javascriptkit.com/dhtmltutors/csshacks3.shtml when would you ever use characters AFTER !important? the proper syntax is: h1 { height: 35px

Re: [css-d] Footer-problem

2009-01-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Ib Jensen wrote: Link : http://ikjensen.dk/test/common/blank.html The "auto-expansion" bug in IE6 and older. Well, then I hope that I somehow can get FF to look like IE in this situation. Because IE is showing the Footer as I want it to look. Replace your footer-styles with the following

Re: [css-d] Footer-problem

2009-01-21 Thread Bobby Jack
> Ib Jensen wrote: > > Well, then I hope that I somehow can get FF to look like IE > in this > situation. Because IE is showing the Footer as I want it to > look. A classic problem: due to IE's bugs, it displays the page incorrectly, but as required. It's only natural to blame the non-IE browsers

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-21 Thread Ron Koster
At 04:18 PM 1/21/2009 -0600, Del Wegener wrote: I have had ( and surely others have also had) clients who were so insistent the webpage (as designed by their long-time advertising company) be as static as the printed page that they furnished a JPEG image of the desired page and I was instructed

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-21 Thread Ron Koster
At 01:32 PM 1/21/2009 -0800, Joseph Sims wrote: I know this whole thing is did to death already... Actually, I agree, believe it or not -- I don't know what else could be said, really, about the whole tables vs. CSS layouts thing. I only popped back in under that subject heading, though, beca

Re: [css-d] Footer-problem

2009-01-21 Thread Ib Jensen
2009/1/21 Gunlaug Sørtun : > Ib Jensen wrote: >> >> Link : http://ikjensen.dk/test/common/blank.html >> >> The page in FF http://ikjensen.dk/test/wsimage/ff.jpg >> >> The page in IE http://ikjensen.dk/test/wsimage/ie.jpg >> >> Whats going on here ??? > > The "auto-expansion" bug in IE6

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-21 Thread Ron Zisman
On Jan 21, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Ron Koster wrote: At 09:25 AM 1/19/2009 +1300, Karl Hardisty wrote: > At 11:31 AM 1/18/2009 -0500, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> CSS pages render about 1/3rd less time than table based layouts In that regard, I still don't know how important a factor it is for CSS

Re: [css-d] Footer-problem

2009-01-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Ib Jensen wrote: Link : http://ikjensen.dk/test/common/blank.html The page in FF http://ikjensen.dk/test/wsimage/ff.jpg The page in IE http://ikjensen.dk/test/wsimage/ie.jpg Whats going on here ??? The "auto-expansion" bug in IE6 and older. IE6 doesn't respect declared dimensions

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-21 Thread Del Wegener
I know this whole thing is did to death already... but I just read some of this, and it makes me think. I suspect that a lot of the table based layout enthusiasts are people who made a switch (partial even) from desktop publishing. Ron mentioned he did, and I have some clients that have webs

Re: [css-d] Drop Caps

2009-01-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Ron Koster wrote: Another page that may give you an example is - http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_04.html Nicely laid out page, Georg (assuming you're reading this)! As an old "table layout" guy (for the time being, at least), when I look at the source code for pages like yours, t

Re: [css-d] Font size

2009-01-21 Thread David Laakso
David Laakso wrote: Hayden's Harness Attachment wrote: I have been doing some inital work since my post and found IE7 is also ignoring font size and the window size is different. Firefox is set to my minimum of 800 by 600 and IE 7 is displaying 1024 by 768. I can only get simular font size b

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-21 Thread Joseph Sims
I know this whole thing is did to death already... but I just read some of this, and it makes me think. I suspect that a lot of the table based layout enthusiasts are people who made a switch (partial even) from desktop publishing. Ron mentioned he did, and I have some clients that have website

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-21 Thread Ron Koster
At 12:57 PM 1/21/2009 -0800, Kevin Doyle wrote: It's ~both~ how quickly your computer can process the page and how quickly your computer can download the page; however, it's mostly how quickly you can download a page because the processing load of a single web page, no matter how complex, is ve

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-21 Thread Kevin Doyle
I must have a slow "brain connection", because something about the above just hit me: how fast a page renders has nothing to do with the speed of your internet connection, but rather the speed of your computer. You would *download* the files faster or slower depending on your connection, but the

Re: [css-d] RE; The CSS Overlords

2009-01-21 Thread Ron Koster
At 09:25 AM 1/19/2009 +1300, Karl Hardisty wrote: > At 11:31 AM 1/18/2009 -0500, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> CSS pages render about 1/3rd less time than table based layouts Ask anyone not on a fast internet connection. Not everyone has the luxury (utility?) of high speed internet connections such

Re: [css-d] Scrollbar styles (etc.) & validation

2009-01-21 Thread Ron Koster
At 11:18 PM 1/19/2009 +0100, bruce.som...@web.de wrote: condiional comments are claptrap of the top order. Can you explain what you mean by that? As suggested here, I tried it out (specifically to implement just those IE scrollbar "features") and it seems to work just fine. Ron :? __

Re: [css-d] Drop Caps

2009-01-21 Thread Ron Koster
Firstly, thanks for your reply, Holly -- and also thanks to Jen, too, for the tip (in a separate message) on the book to look for At 11:59 AM 1/19/2009 -0600, Holly Bergevin wrote: As with most things CSS, you'll need to test the effect you want in the environment it's going to be placed. Oh, a

[css-d] Footer-problem

2009-01-21 Thread Ib Jensen
Link : http://ikjensen.dk/test/common/blank.html The page in FF http://ikjensen.dk/test/wsimage/ff.jpg The page in IE http://ikjensen.dk/test/wsimage/ie.jpg Whats going on here ??? -- Regards / Mhv. Ib K. jensen - http://ikjensen.dk _

[css-d] Help: CSS (horizontal) scalable buttons using for IE6 with a slight variation...

2009-01-21 Thread Stephen Tang
Dear Mustafa, Thank you for looking at my code. Your second solution is what I was trying to do. I was trying to make sure that the right image (btn_right_side_long_on.gif) would "widen" or "narrow" itself as the length of the text string changed. Obviously, if a text string was so long that it

Re: [css-d] Font size

2009-01-21 Thread David Laakso
Hayden's Harness Attachment wrote: I have been doing some inital work since my post and found IE7 is also ignoring font size and the window size is different. Firefox is set to my minimum of 800 by 600 and IE 7 is displaying 1024 by 768. I can only get simular font size between Firefox and IE

Re: [css-d] Pragmatic look at our CSS future - ripped from: The CSS Overlords

2009-01-21 Thread Nancy Johnson
A few weeks I was talking to a web design faculty member at a well-known art school, and was surprised to hear that she didn't know much about css and when her design broke, she had to ask a web developer to fix it. To me design/development go hand in hand. How can one design without knowledge of

Re: [css-d] button hover

2009-01-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Micha? Zielin'ski wrote: http://zielinski.civ.pl/img/logo.jpg it`s a bit smaller than it will be on page. All I`d like to get is change the color of one circle on the left (the most inner one) from red to black. If change is going to be as minimal and simple as that on the final image, I'd us

Re: [css-d] button hover

2009-01-21 Thread Kathy Wheeler
On 21/01/2009, at 5:42 PM, Michał Zieliński wrote: Lets say that one banner is 5KB * 4 = 20KB With sprites it will take more or less 40KB. It`s a huge difference to achieve such effect, don`t you think? If you use absolute positioning and a small transparent gif with a transparent background