Re: [css-d] Media query syntax when a separate style sheet is included

2013-03-14 Thread Micky Hulse
Sorry, my subject line should read: Media query syntax when a separate *print* style sheet is included __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-disc

Re: [css-d] Media query syntax when a separate style sheet is included

2013-03-14 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
Le 15 mars 2013 à 06:18, Micky Hulse a écrit : > Heck, do I even need the "all and" bit at that point? > > @media () { … } I never use these 'screen', 'all', … media types ( OK, I'm lying… I only use them when strictly necessary, e.g only when I want the MQ to be really limited to a particul

Re: [css-d] Media query syntax when a separate style sheet is included

2013-03-14 Thread Micky Hulse
Hi Philippe! Thank you so much for your CSS guru help, I greatly appreciate it. :) On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > I never use these 'screen', 'all', … media types ( OK, I'm lying… I only use > them when strictly necessary, e.g only when I want the MQ to be really

Re: [css-d] Media query syntax when a separate style sheet is included

2013-03-14 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
Le 15 mars 2013 à 11:19, Micky Hulse a écrit : > 1. IIRC, I think I read somewhere that using a separate style sheet > will allow support in older IEs (would the alternative be @media print > { ... }? Is that the technique you use to keep your print/screen > styles together?). Someone else shou

Re: [css-d] Media query syntax when a separate style sheet is included

2013-03-15 Thread Micky Hulse
Hi Philippe, many thanks again for the help! On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > Someone else should correct me, but IE 5.5+ supported the basic @media > screen {} or @media print {} correctly. IE 5 for Mac OS X didn't > though, but that browser is long since dead. > (a

Re: [css-d] Media query syntax when a separate style sheet is included

2013-03-15 Thread Micky Hulse
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Micky Hulse wrote: > For a while now, I've been writing 90% of my media query syntax like so: > @media screen and () { ... } You know, it's strange ... It seems like everywhere I look people do: @media only screen and (x) { ... } But by default, when printin

Re: [css-d] Media query syntax when a separate style sheet is included

2013-03-15 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
Le 16 mars 2013 à 09:05, Micky Hulse a écrit : > Is this intentional, or a case of one person doing it one way first, > and everyone copying from that one source until it becomes the norm > default/example syntax? The copy/paste disease. Philippe -- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com __

Re: [css-d] Media query syntax when a separate style sheet is included

2013-03-15 Thread Tom Livingston
This may shed some light: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8549529/what-is-the-difference-between-screen-and-only-screen-in-media-queries — Sent from Mailbox for iPhone On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > Le 16 mars 2013 à 09:05, Micky Hulse a écrit : >> Is this

Re: [css-d] Media query syntax when a separate style sheet is included

2013-03-15 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
Le 16 mars 2013 à 09:37, Tom Livingston a écrit : > This may shed some light: > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8549529/what-is-the-difference-between-screen-and-only-screen-in-media-queries That stack overflow page refers to this passage in the MQ level 3 spec: > The keyword ‘only’ can a

Re: [css-d] Media query syntax when a separate style sheet is included

2013-03-15 Thread Micky Hulse
Hi Tom and Philippe, thanks for the replies! Thanks for linkage Tom! > The copy/paste disease. Ha! That's the term I was looking for! :D On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > I’ve always found that statement about the ‘only’ keyword in the CSS > MQ spec somewhat ambiva

Re: [css-d] Media query syntax when a separate style sheet is included

2013-03-15 Thread Micky Hulse
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Micky Hulse wrote: > Oh, that's good to know. I did not realize that this was the case. I > probably read some misinformation somewhere (or I did not fully > understand one of the articles I read) saying that @media print {} was > IE9+ thing. Ah, I think this is

Re: [css-d] Media query syntax when a separate style sheet is included

2013-03-15 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
Le 16 mars 2013 à 14:08, Micky Hulse a écrit : > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Micky Hulse > wrote: >> Oh, that's good to know. I did not realize that this was the case. I >> probably read some misinformation somewhere (or I did not fully >> understand one of the articles I read) saying tha

Re: [css-d] Media query syntax when a separate style sheet is included

2013-03-16 Thread Tom Livingston
FWIW, I use MQs on link elements to load sheets. Then, for IE less than 9, I repeat the link elements without MQs inside a conditional comment to serve the desktop only layout to those browsers. This may be a little low-tech and it is a few more http requests, but I am not a fan of poly-filling

Re: [css-d] Media query syntax when a separate style sheet is included

2013-03-16 Thread Tom Livingston
— Sent from Mailbox for iPhone On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Tom Livingston mailto:tom...@gmail.com";>> wrote: FWIW, I use MQs on link elements to load sheets. Then, for IE less than 9, I repeat the link elements without MQs inside a conditional comment to serve the desktop only layout to t

Re: [css-d] Media query syntax when a separate style sheet is included

2013-03-18 Thread Micky Hulse
Hi Tom! Thanks for the reply and help, I really appreciate it. :) On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 5:32 AM, Tom Livingston wrote: > FWIW, I use MQs on link elements to load sheets. Then, for IE less than 9, I > repeat the link elements without MQs inside a conditional comment to serve > the desktop only l

Re: [css-d] Media query syntax when a separate style sheet is included

2013-03-18 Thread Micky Hulse
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Tom Livingston wrote: > I'll add that I use a mobile-first approach and I don't repeat the base > style sheet (which doesn't have an MQ) in the conditional comment and I have > a separate link element for print styles, if I use one. Just out of curiosity, do you h

Re: [css-d] Media query syntax when a separate style sheet is included

2013-03-18 Thread Micky Hulse
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Micky Hulse wrote: > Hindsight is 20/20, and a part of me is wondering if I should > re-factor my CSS to take the approach you mention. Doing so would > solve two problems that I'm having: > 2. I'd like to feed IE < 8 a static "view". Because I'm using the > "modul