Re: Cygwin visual brand

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:31:44PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote: >On 18/05/2010 22:01, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: >> Actually, I thought that was WJM CGF exercising control over your >> keyboard. I've tried to keep him out before but he's keeps getting >> back in and killin >> > > Are you suggesting t

Re: Cygwin visual brand

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Brent Kerr wrote: >> To reiterate, I am not interested in collaborating with anyone on web >> site redesign and, as I said, I don't think a mascot is called for. > > Well that's that, case closed :) Thanks for taking the time to And thanks for trying, Brent. At t

Re: Cygwin visual brand

On 18/05/2010 22:01, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: > On 5/18/2010 3:29 PM, Berthold Barth wrote: >> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Berthold Barth >> wrote: To reiterate, I am not interested in collaborating with anyone on web site redesign and, as I said, I don't think a mascot is called

Re: Cygwin visual brand

On 5/18/2010 3:29 PM, Berthold Barth wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Berthold Barth wrote: To reiterate, I am not interested in collaborating with anyone on web site redesign and, as I said, I don't think a mascot is called for. By mascot, I mean an image displayed on the web site.

Re: Cygwin visual brand

> To reiterate, I am not interested in collaborating with anyone on web > site redesign and, as I said, I don't think a mascot is called for. Well that's that, case closed :) Thanks for taking the time to respond, Christopher. And while I'm at it, thank you and the other contributors for all the e

Re: Cygwin visual brand

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Berthold Barth wrote: >> To reiterate, I am not interested in collaborating with anyone on web >> site redesign and, as I said, I don't think a mascot is called for.  By >> mascot, I mean an image displayed on the web site. > > If that is your opinion about what is

Re: Cygwin visual brand

> To reiterate, I am not interested in collaborating with anyone on web > site redesign and, as I said, I don't think a mascot is called for.  By > mascot, I mean an image displayed on the web site. If that is your opinion about what is best for Cygwin and the community then as a core maintainer,

Re: Cygwin visual brand

I didn't mean for my response to be taken as an invitation for more commiseration. I did say that I sincerely hated these discussions, after all. To reiterate, I am not interested in collaborating with anyone on web site redesign and, as I said, I don't think a mascot is called for. By mascot, I

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Thanks a lot for your opinion Chris. As maintainers, you and Corinna are really the linchpins between the existing community and the world. You've got the knowledge  that is required to improve the design without severing the existing bonds. At the same time, please let me illustrate my point of v

Re: Cygwin visual brand

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote: > So far, I have not really cared for either of the proposed redesigns.  I > don't think a mascot is necessary on the web site and I think that, as > messy as the current cygwin web site may be, there will be only a very > minor benefit t

Re: Cygwin visual brand

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:39, Gary <> wrote: > Christopher Faylor writes: >> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:18:28AM -0400, Andrew Schulman wrote: >>>So my questions remain.  Christopher and Corinna, if you don't think a >>>redesign is a good idea, then please tell us that. >> >> Since you keep insisti

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Christopher Faylor writes: > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:18:28AM -0400, Andrew Schulman wrote: >>So my questions remain. Christopher and Corinna, if you don't think a >>redesign is a good idea, then please tell us that. > > Since you keep insisting, I'll do my usual WJM dance. Then everyone can >

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On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:18:28AM -0400, Andrew Schulman wrote: >> Could Christopher and/or Corinna please weigh in on this? There seem to be >> a lot of ideas and energy behind this project, but I don't think the >> discussion can go much further until we hear from them. >> >> Is either of you

Re: Cygwin visual brand

> my 2 cents. > All your discussion was missing a fundamental point > for a volunteer driven project. > Where is your source/patch for the changing you propose ? An initial proposal has been posted at http://cygwin.codecamel.com/ . > It is not really polite to ask others to change something > wi

Re: Cygwin visual brand

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Marco Atzeri wrote: > It is not really polite to ask others to change something > without making your effort to do the job. Marco, I don't think you carefully read the thread. Regarding the web design, there's already a website mockup. Regarding the logo, it d

Re: Cygwin visual brand

--- Mar 18/5/10, Andrew Schulman ha scritto: > > Could Christopher and/or Corinna > please weigh in on this?  There seem to be > > a lot of ideas and energy behind this project, but I > don't think the > > discussion can go much further until we hear from > them. > > > > Is either of you interes

Re: Cygwin visual brand

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Andrew Schulman wrote: > > So my questions remain.  Christopher and Corinna, if you don't think a > redesign is a good idea, then please tell us that. > > Thanks, > Andrew. I'm currently pretty busy, otherwise I would already have gone ahead and changed the subje

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> Could Christopher and/or Corinna please weigh in on this? There seem to be > a lot of ideas and energy behind this project, but I don't think the > discussion can go much further until we hear from them. > > Is either of you interested in having a redesign of cygwin.com? What would > be your c

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> > As I said, only a text editor has been used to build the site. > And as I said I hadn't looked, I was just making generic philosophical comments. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/do

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Mike, thank you for your comments. > I haven't looked at this but what is a style changer tool ( would it > be obvious if I looked? Just change style sheets or something). Yes, it would be obvious if you looked. It simply has a drop down box that lets you choose the header color, font type or pag

Re: Cygwin visual brand

On 5/13/10, Brent Kerr wrote: >> Could Christopher and/or Corinna please weigh in on this? There seem to >> be >> a lot of ideas and energy behind this project, but I don't think the >> discussion can go much further until we hear from them. >> >> Is either of you interested in having a redesign o

Re: Cygwin visual brand

> Could Christopher and/or Corinna please weigh in on this?  There seem to be > a lot of ideas and energy behind this project, but I don't think the > discussion can go much further until we hear from them. > > Is either of you interested in having a redesign of cygwin.com?  What would > be your cr

Re: Cygwin visual brand

> I've used Cygwin on and off for a few years now, and today while I was > on the site I thought how much a good, recognisable logo and graphic > design could do for Cygwin exposure. For one, more users also mean > more potential contributors, to the project itself and to compatible > software alik

Re: Cygwin visual brand

On 5/11/2010 8:59 AM, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E] wrote: I agree that setup is to generic. Additionally, sometimes the security settings/antivirus might not allow one to either download or run something called setup. Personally, I like. See

Re: Cygwin visual brand

Hi, Klaus, thanks for your feedback on my sample site (http://cygwin.codecamel.com). Further information about why/what/how can be found in my message on the original thread (http://sourceware.org/ml/cygwin/2010-03/msg00744.html), so I won't go into it again on this one. > A few months ago somebo

Re: Cygwin visual brand

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Alex Leigh wrote: > Why not just use the "cyg-" prefix, like the cygstart and cygpath > tools already do? Something like "cygsetup", "cygpackage", > "cygpackman", etc. I think these both communicate clearly the purpose > of the program and are short to type. I'd v

RE: Cygwin visual brand

Steven Collins sent the following at Monday, May 10, 2010 4:19 PM >On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 13:36, Klaus Grue <> wrote: >> In conclusion, I suggest a new term is invented such as the Cygwin >> Package Manager (CPM) or something like that. Then one could simply >> write Cygwin Package Manager under

Re: Cygwin visual brand

Why not just use the "cyg-" prefix, like the cygstart and cygpath tools already do? Something like "cygsetup", "cygpackage", "cygpackman", etc. I think these both communicate clearly the purpose of the program and are short to type. Alex On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Klaus Grue wrote: > On Mon

RE: Cygwin visual brand

mike marchywka sent the following at Monday, May 10, 2010 10:09 AM >Just personally I LIKE the ASCII art hippo. It demonstrates an ability >to use primitive and CONCISE represntations for information - captures >the essence without the extraneous junk. Today we are seeing lots of >bloated things ca

Re: Cygwin visual brand

On 5/11/10, Klaus Grue wrote: > On Mon, 10 May 2010, Steven Collins wrote: >> ... I'm not a fan of "cpm.exe" for two reasons. 1) ... 2) ... > > Good points > >> "CygwinPackageManager.exe" communicates clearly what the >> program is without any further need of explanation. > > That is a good name.

Re: Cygwin visual brand

On Mon, 10 May 2010, Steven Collins wrote: ... I'm not a fan of "cpm.exe" for two reasons. 1) ... 2) ... Good points "CygwinPackageManager.exe" communicates clearly what the program is without any further need of explanation. That is a good name. Simple is beautiful. Maybe one should also

Re: Cygwin visual brand

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 13:36, Klaus Grue <> wrote: > > In conclusion, I suggest a new term is invented such as the > Cygwin Package Manager (CPM) > or something like that. Then one could simply write > Cygwin Package Manager under the Cygwin icon and then explain in the text > that: > The Cygw

Re: Cygwin visual brand

Thanks again for all the input. This discussion will help me greatly in producing a design that all users, maintainers and visitors can identify with. Of course, the design can not be made by committee. So if anybody is in contact with either Chris or Corinna, I'd greatly appreciate if you could p

Re: Cygwin visual brand

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Klaus Grue wrote: > I liked the proposal of David Eisner (http://cygwin.codecamel.com/). At Just to clarify, I had nothing to do with that page. The credit goes to Brent Kerr. See the original message here: http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2010-03/msg00700.html

Re: Cygwin visual brand

It sounds nice that there is a movement to brush up the graphic design of the Cygwin web pages. I have used Cygwin for a couple of years, but on this list I am just a newcomer. I hope it is ok to leave a few comments which you *might* consider. I liked the proposal of David Eisner (http://cy

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> As far as the current logo, it has served the project well but it > definitely looks dated. [3] It's basically a two-color unaliased > bitmap that harkens back to icons of 1980's and 1990's. My personal > preference for a new logo would be an evolution of the current design. > Ideally it would

Re: Cygwin visual brand

> I've used Cygwin on and off for a few years now, and today while I was > on the site I thought how much a good, recognisable logo and graphic > design could do for Cygwin exposure. For one, more users also mean > more potential contributors, to the project itself and to compatible > software alik

Re: Cygwin visual brand

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Berthold Barth wrote: > PS: On the subject of relevance: Good design (visuals, workings, user > experience) is widely accepted to improve the users' perception of the > functionality. Beautiful things work better. Even if the new design I couldn't agree more, and

Re: Cygwin visual brand

On 5/8/2010 4:39 AM, Berthold Barth wrote: > I've used Cygwin on and off for a few years now, and today while I was > on the site I thought how much a good, recognisable logo and graphic > design could do for Cygwin exposure. This is the hippo icon I added to cygicons-0.dll a few months ago (it's

Re: Cygwin visual brand

Thanks for the feedback so far guys, I really appreciate it. I fail to see what a hippo has to do with cygwin, but I will of course try and honour any kind of legacy with major traction in the community. Now, if I wanted somebody who can give the definitive go-ahead on the design and who can clear

RE: Cygwin visual brand

Steven Collins sent the following at Saturday, May 08, 2010 8:32 AM >Searching the net for "cygwin hippo" doesn't reveal any clues for >the significance of the hippo for the community (anyone care to add >details?), but you will find that somebody came up with an icon at >one point. Maybe your sta

Re: Cygwin visual brand

Steven Collins writes: > It looks like some folks have already had graphical ideas. When you > look at the Message Of The Day (/etc/motd) you'll find an ASCII art > hippo. Ah. The hippo. > Searching the net for "cygwin hippo" doesn't reveal any clues > for the significance of the hippo No surpr

Re: Cygwin visual brand

On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Berthold Barth wrote: > Hello list, > > I've used Cygwin on and off for a few years now, and today while I was > on the site I thought how much a good, recognisable logo and graphic > design could do for Cygwin exposure. For one, more users also mean > more potentia

Re: Cygwin visual brand

Hi Berthold, It looks like some folks have already had graphical ideas. When you look at the Message Of The Day (/etc/motd) you'll find an ASCII art hippo. Searching the net for "cygwin hippo" doesn't reveal any clues for the significance of the hippo for the community (anyone care to add details?

Cygwin visual brand

Hello list, I've used Cygwin on and off for a few years now, and today while I was on the site I thought how much a good, recognisable logo and graphic design could do for Cygwin exposure. For one, more users also mean more potential contributors, to the project itself and to compatible software a