Re: Rootless Mode

2003-01-09 Thread Danilo Turina
[snip] Of course "unfortunately" the window-maker port is currently "broken" so it is hard To do further "experiments" Don't know about test builds, but with the latest build WindowMaker works correctly: I use it every day in rootless mode for my job with my Win2K machine. Ciao, Danilo Tur

Re: Rootless Mode

2003-01-09 Thread Yadin Y Goldschmidt
BTW, you have to add to the top of startxwin.bat the line set HOME=XXX where XXX is your home directory, otherwise wmaker is trying to use the variable HOME from windows environment c:\Documents and settings\... which does not work. "Yadin Y Goldschmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message avl7kv$

Re: Rootless Mode

2003-01-09 Thread Yadin Y Goldschmidt
I have Window Maker working fine with the recent built. (including rootless) I don't know what stephen is refering to. Yadin. "Harold L Hunt II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Stephen, > > Kensuke Matsuzaki is working on the Windows-based window

Re: Rootless Mode

2003-01-09 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Stephen, What was that all about? We are working on a Windows-based window manager. Need I say that again? If Window Maker is broken, then use one of twm, mwm (lesstif package), openbox, etc. Harold Bovy, Stephen wrote: FYI I have been experimenting with "exceed" window manager and "cygwi

RE: Rootless Mode

2003-01-09 Thread Bovy, Stephen
FYI I have been experimenting with "exceed" window manager and "cygwin" Integration/synergy. It is "interesting" to note that I can execute the "windowmaker" cygwin-port and get it To work natively with the "exceed" X-window server. The clip , the dock , ect all Pop-up as "icons" on my windows

Re: Rootless Mode

2003-01-09 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Stephen, Kensuke Matsuzaki is working on the Windows-based window manager. If Window Maker is broke, then someone else is gonna have to fix it. I released a few packages with the intention that others would take them over, but no one has. So, if Window Maker is broke, then I will have to pul

RE: Rootless mode

2002-12-12 Thread Jean-Claude Gervais
lto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Harold L Hunt II Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Rootless mode Looking at Kensuke's code, he uses an internal queue to store messages that need to be processed by child windows. For some reason this queue is not

RE: Rootless mode

2002-12-12 Thread Harold L Hunt II
sages, causing Windows to send them again. Harold -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jean-Claude Gervais Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Rootless mode This may be obvious, but the difference between th

Re: Rootless mode -multiwindow bug

2002-12-12 Thread Milos Komarcevic
I was able to reproduce the -multiwindow moving bug on two Win2k machines, and "Show window contents while dragging" does not seem to have any effect on those machines. (I already had it switched off) Neither does disabling ActiveDesktop help.

Re: Rootless mode

2002-12-12 Thread David Fraser
Harold L Hunt II wrote: David, I have not released a test version because the version that Kensuke sent me didn't work at all. It just kept repeating the dragging of a window if you ever moved one. I sent a report to the list but he never responded. I didn't want to bug him about it for aw

RE: Rootless mode

2002-12-12 Thread Jean-Claude Gervais
er 12, 2002 1:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Rootless mode Kensuke, Hmm... that sounds about right. Windows 2000 and Windows XP have that option on by default, I believe. Are you going to try to debug this? Harold Matsuzaki Kensuke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Harold, &

Re: Rootless mode

2002-12-12 Thread Harold L Hunt
Kensuke, Hmm... that sounds about right. Windows 2000 and Windows XP have that option on by default, I believe. Are you going to try to debug this? Harold Matsuzaki Kensuke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Harold, > > I could not reproduce that bug, but now I found that this bug occur when > "Sh

Re: Rootless mode

2002-12-12 Thread Matsuzaki Kensuke
Harold, I could not reproduce that bug, but now I found that this bug occur when "Show window contents while dragging" enabled. Maximizing a window never stop too. Matsuzaki Kensuke

Re: Rootless mode

2002-12-12 Thread John Buttery
* Harold L Hunt II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-12-12 11:24:25 -0500]: > Please do not release your own test version. As I said, I am waiting > for the repeating window movement to be looked into and possibly fixed. > I do not wish to get lots of duplicate bug reports for such an obvious > bug.

Re: Rootless mode

2002-12-12 Thread Jonathan Fosburgh
On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:22:45 -0500, Harold L Hunt II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David, I have not released a test version because the version that Kensuke sent me didn't work at all. It just kept repeating the dragging of a window if you ever moved one. I sent a report to the list but he nev

Re: Rootless mode

2002-12-12 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Please do not release your own test version. As I said, I am waiting for the repeating window movement to be looked into and possibly fixed. I do not wish to get lots of duplicate bug reports for such an obvious bug. If Kensuke says it doesn't happen with his version, then I will rebuild min

Re: Rootless mode

2002-12-12 Thread Harold L Hunt II
David, I have not released a test version because the version that Kensuke sent me didn't work at all. It just kept repeating the dragging of a window if you ever moved one. I sent a report to the list but he never responded. I didn't want to bug him about it for awhile in case he had seen

Re: Rootless mode

2002-12-12 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Kensuke, Did you ever look into the bug I reported where a dragged window just keeps on repeating the dragging and never stops moving? Seems to be a problem with the message queue not being cleared properly. My email is in the list archives if you missed it. Harold Kensuke Matsuzaki wrote:

Re: Rootless mode

2002-12-12 Thread zakki
-multiwindow is not stable, so I thought binary is not needed. XWin.exe is here. http://peppermint.jp/products/asis/XWin.2002_12_09.exe.bz2 And libfreetype 2.1.1 is here. http://peppermint.jp/temp/libfreetype.tar.bz2 Kensuke Matsuzaki

Re: Rootless mode

2002-12-12 Thread John Buttery
* Kensuke Matsuzaki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-12-12 21:10:54 +0900]: > To build XWin.exe, please read >http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/cg/cygwin-xfree-cg.html I should have figured that out without being told, sorry. I'm now getting the source via CVS. There sure is a lot of it; I hope x86 is

Re: Rootless mode

2002-12-12 Thread Kensuke Matsuzaki
> I wholeheartedly second that; either a test build, or perhaps some > instructions on how to take the patch(es) you supplied and build a > modified version using the existing Cygwin tools. To build XWin.exe, please read http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/cg/cygwin-xfree-cg.html The patch can be

Re: Rootless mode

2002-12-12 Thread John Buttery
* David Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-12-12 10:03:53 +0200]: > Kensuke, Harold, > I was just wondering whether it would be possible to create a test build > of the X server with this multi-window > mode. Obviously there are issues with it but I presume they only come up > in multi-window mode?

Re: Rootless mode

2002-12-12 Thread David Fraser
Kensuke, Harold, I was just wondering whether it would be possible to create a test build of the X server with this multi-window mode. Obviously there are issues with it but I presume they only come up in multi-window mode? It would just be really nice to see it beginning to work - this is somet

Re: Rootless mode

2002-12-06 Thread Harold L Hunt II
JS, Kensuke titled his message ``rootless mode'' when it should really have been titled ``multi-window mode''. The goal of multi-window mode is to create a Windows-window for each top-level X Window, rather than creating one huge window for your entire X desktop. Harold J S wrote: Kensuk

Re: Rootless mode

2002-12-06 Thread J S
Kensuke, The new patch is an architectual improvement. However, when I run it, if I move a window it gets moved, then it jumps back to its original position and retraces the move path that I took it on, over and over again until I feel like I will throw up. :) I am not sure what is causing

Re: Rootless mode

2002-12-05 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Kensuke, The new patch is an architectual improvement. However, when I run it, if I move a window it gets moved, then it jumps back to its original position and retraces the move path that I took it on, over and over again until I feel like I will throw up. :) I am not sure what is causing th

Re: Rootless mode

2002-12-05 Thread Harold Leatherman Hunt II
Kensuke, Excellent. I will try to take a look at this patch tonight. I was hoping that the window manager would eventually be integrated into XWin.exe and I am interested in seeing how you did this. Thanks for your great patches. By the way, was your new patch a diff against the original CVS t

Re: Rootless mode

2002-12-04 Thread Kensuke Matsuzaki
Harold, It remains only for debugging. > Am I correct that the root window is still being drawn, even thought it is > not really usable? Is that something that remains to be fixed, or did I > have something go wrong with my patching? By the way, this is new patch that integrates XWin and the wi

RE: Rootless mode

2002-12-04 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Kensuke, Very interesting patch. I have compiled a version of the multiwindow executable and checked it out. Am I correct that the root window is still being drawn, even thought it is not really usable? Is that something that remains to be fixed, or did I have something go wrong with my patchin

Re: Rootless mode

2002-11-24 Thread zakki
Harold, Sorry, I forgot to think about end-of-line character. > Just a quick question: does the window manager have to be started > seperately from XWin.exe, or does XWin.exe take care of launching the > nwindow manager when you specify -multiwindow ? It need to be started separately. So $XWin

Re: Rootless mode

2002-11-24 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Kensuke, Wow, you have been busy. Could you run Cygwin's ``d2u'' on winwindow.h to convert the DOS end-of-line characters to UNIX end-of-line characters and run the patch again? Just a quick question: does the window manager have to be started seperately from XWin.exe, or does XWin.exe take c

Re: rootless mode and mousing to other windows

2002-11-13 Thread Gerald S. Williams
So how was it that you start rootless mode again? Just kidding. I guess I should have mentioned that I was about to go on vacation for over a week after I sent my last message. My impression of XOpenWin was that it was going to replace the low-level graphic calls from Windows with calls to X. Am

Re: Rootless Mode Anyone ???

2002-11-11 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Stephen, Use the ``-rootless'' command line parameter for XWin.exe. Harold Bovy, Stephen wrote: I would like to try the new rootless mode, but I cant find any Info on how to use it ... Any suggestions ???

Re: Rootless Mode Anyone ???

2002-11-11 Thread Randall R Schulz
OK. Whose turn is it to chastise this? RTFMLA! At 12:56 2002-11-11, Bovy, Stephen wrote: I would like to try the new rootless mode, but I cant find any Info on how to use it ... Any suggestions ???

RE: Rootless mode with Query mode

2002-11-06 Thread Jean-Claude Gervais
dnesday, November 06, 2002 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Rootless mode with Query mode Jean-Claude Gervais wrote: > > Hi, > > If I start XWin with the following parameters, :0 -rootless -query hostname > > I get the Redhat login dialog

Re: Rootless mode with Query mode

2002-11-06 Thread Staf Verhaegen
Jean-Claude Gervais wrote: > > Hi, > > If I start XWin with the following parameters, :0 -rootless -query hostname > > I get the Redhat login dialog box, which appears with NO background. > > This is good. > > Then when I log in, whether I select GNOME or KDE, t

RE: rootless mode and mousing to other windows

2002-11-01 Thread Thomas Chadwick
AIL PROTECTED]> To: "Thomas Chadwick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Harold L Hunt II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: rootless mode and mousing to other windows Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:51:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from alageremail2

Re: rootless mode and mousing to other windows

2002-11-01 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Wilhelm, Oh yeah, I see your point. I don''t want to start up that discussion again :) Harold Wilhelm Person wrote: Right now I use cygwin xfree for terminal emulation, more or less. But it would be nice to be able to use an X windowmanager instead of Explorer. So all the applications, even

Re: rootless mode and mousing to other windows

2002-11-01 Thread Wilhelm Person
Right now I use cygwin xfree for terminal emulation, more or less. But it would be nice to be able to use an X windowmanager instead of Explorer. So all the applications, even stuff like IE or WinAMP, are managed through the X window manager. As I understand it the current efforts with a rootless

Re: rootless mode and mousing to other windows

2002-11-01 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Wilhelm, Wilhelm Person wrote: Guess I'm in the 1% then, I prefer fvwm to any other window manager I have seen yet. It would be very, very cool to have fvwm on Windows. /W Are you referring to just having fvwm available for Cygwin/XFree86 or are you referring to having the additional featu

Re: rootless mode and mousing to other windows

2002-11-01 Thread Jehan
Harold L Hunt II wrote: Well, that is not an opinion that I have ever seen expressed here to date and I have not seen any developer announce that they are aiming to provide such functionality. It has always been my understanding that 99% of people are interested in having MS Windows manage the

Re: rootless mode and mousing to other windows

2002-11-01 Thread Wilhelm Person
Guess I'm in the 1% then, I prefer fvwm to any other window manager I have seen yet. It would be very, very cool to have fvwm on Windows. /W On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Harold L Hunt II wrote: > Gerald S. Williams wrote: > > >Ultimately, what you really want is the ability to go both > >ways--let X ap

Re: rootless mode and mousing to other windows

2002-11-01 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Gerald S. Williams wrote: Ultimately, what you really want is the ability to go both ways--let X applications be managed by Windows and let Windows applications be managed by X window managers (like LiteStep only allowing X calls all the way down--I think LiteStep uses GTK or something). Of cours

RE: rootless mode and mousing to other windows

2002-11-01 Thread Gerald S. Williams
Thomas Chadwick wrote: > Is it as simple as patching XWin to call XSetInputFocus() with a focus > argument of "None" when MS Windows informs it that it has lost focus? That's the type of thing I was hoping for. Harold L Hunt II wrote: > I don't think that such interaction between the X Windows

Re: rootless mode and mousing to other windows

2002-11-01 Thread haro
Hi, From: "Gerald S. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:28:04 -0500 ::I agree -rootless rocks. And a -systray option would be great. It's rocking realy cool! :-) ::But one thing that I'd really like to be able to do now that ::-rootless is around is be able to have all X win

Re: rootless mode and mousing to other windows

2002-10-31 Thread Harold L Hunt II
I don't think that such interaction between the X Windows window manager and, essentially, the Windows window manager is going to be useful in the end, and it would be overly complicated to implement such an interim solution. Remember that the ultimate solution is to write calls that make Windo

Re: rootless mode and mousing to other windows

2002-10-31 Thread Thomas Chadwick
Is it as simple as patching XWin to call XSetInputFocus() with a focus argument of "None" when MS Windows informs it that it has lost focus? From: "Gerald S. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: rootless mode and mousing to other windows Date:

Re: Rootless mode only works on one monitor

2002-10-21 Thread Jehan
Harold L Hunt II wrote: Yes, we should look into doing something that would allow rootless-mode windows to be placed anywhere on the virtual display area. I think that may only require setting the size of the fake Windows-window to the size of the virtual display region. Should be easy, right?

RE: Rootless mode only works on one monitor

2002-10-20 Thread Marcus Lindblom
Problems solved! The first was my bad (told nView not to let apps span two screens when maximizing, do'h!). '-engine 1' took care of the redraw problem, which appeared with rootless as well. /Marcus > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Try it with the ``-engine 1'' parameter and report your results.

RE: Rootless mode only works on one monitor

2002-10-20 Thread Marcus Lindblom
--Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@;cygwin.com] On Behalf Of > Jean-Claude Gervais > Sent: den 20 oktober 2002 21:54 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Rootless mode only works on one monitor > > > Marcus, > >

Re: Rootless mode only works on one monitor

2002-10-20 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Yes, we should look into doing something that would allow rootless-mode windows to be placed anywhere on the virtual display area. I think that may only require setting the size of the fake Windows-window to the size of the virtual display region. Should be easy, right? ;) Harold Jehan wrote

Re: Rootless mode only works on one monitor

2002-10-20 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Marcus, Try it with the ``-engine 1'' parameter and report your results. Harold Marcus Lindblom wrote: Hi! Am running Cygwin and Test67 of XWin.exe, a GF4 Ti4200 and a nView-enhanced desktop (which windows sees as one monitor at 2560x1024, not as two 1280x1024). Rootless mode is really cool,

RE: Rootless mode only works on one monitor

2002-10-20 Thread Jean-Claude Gervais
4:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Rootless mode only works on one monitor I sort of did that, didn't I? ;) Note that I am running both monitors from the same graphics adapter, and use driver software to link them together as one big screen. I haven't tested using the WinXP-multim

RE: Rootless mode only works on one monitor

2002-10-20 Thread Jean-Claude Gervais
Marcus, Could you post the details of how you get multiple-monitors to work with X? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@;cygwin.com]On Behalf Of Marcus Lindblom Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 3:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Rootless

Re: Rootless mode only works on one monitor

2002-10-20 Thread Jehan
Marcus Lindblom wrote: Problems solved! The first was my bad (told nView not to let apps span two screens when maximizing, do'h!). By default, XWin open a window as big as the primary desktop. Setting nView to use both monitors as one big desktop is one solution. But you can also have two des

Re: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-18 Thread Alexander Gottwald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It was posted on the 15th of this month in this thread. And I received it. Must have been blind that day. bye ago -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org ICQ: 126018723

Re: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-18 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Don't worry, the patch came through correctly. The problem was that the email did not clearly state that a rootless mode had been implemented, so both Alexander and I didn't pay any attention to it. I didn't even notice that it had a patch attached. The message is in the archives: http://cygw

Re: Rootless mode logging and slowness

2002-10-18 Thread Jehan
Harold L Hunt II wrote: So, rootless mode makes Cygwin/XFree86 actually useful for the primary maintainer to get some work done! This is astonishing! :) So hopefully that will give you some incentive to finish the rootless mode sooner then... Ouch, no, no beating, I was just kidding. ;) Je

Re: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-18 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Yikes!!! I just noticed that my XWin.log is 52 MB for my one hour session in Cygwin/XFree86. I will have to roll a new release tonight that turns off the logging of the winAddRgn messages. Sorry about that. Harold root wrote: Works fine..no rubber bands.. none of my previous problems (my er

Re: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-18 Thread root
Works fine..no rubber bands.. none of my previous problems (my error!). Only quirk I can see is loads of 'winAddRgn()' message lines at the end of my XWin.log. Thanks a million..I owe someone a beer for this!! Colin

Re: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-17 Thread Thomas Chadwick
FYI - I've taken down the binary I posted to avoid any confusion with Harold's test release of XWin -rootless. >From: "Thomas Chadwick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Rootless mode revisited... >Da

RE: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-16 Thread Jean-Claude Gervais
What is that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Keith D. Tyler This could be a nifty option while I hold my breath for win32-x11. :)

Re: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-16 Thread Keith D. Tyler
> However, I noticed a few strange artifacts of this approach to rootless > mode... > > 2) Now that there is no root window, you can't use the XWindows window > manager's root-window menus. Unless you turn off -nodecoration, then the root window is available as an ugly strip above your X apps.

Re: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-16 Thread Thomas Chadwick
>From: MATSUZAKI Kensuke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Thomas Chadwick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Rootless mode revisited... >Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 02:08:41 +0900 [snip] > > 3) A favorite tool of mine, x2x, is broken, whic

Re: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-16 Thread Jehan
MATSUZAKI Kensuke wrote: >>1) When you click and drag on an Xwindow to move it, you only see the bits >>and pieces of the "rubber band" outline which happen to overlap the other >>Xwindows. Where the rubber band overlaps Windows windows, you see nothing. > > > It seems that outline is drawn o

Re: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-16 Thread MATSUZAKI Kensuke
> 1) When you click and drag on an Xwindow to move it, you only see the bits > and pieces of the "rubber band" outline which happen to overlap the other > Xwindows. Where the rubber band overlaps Windows windows, you see nothing. It seems that outline is drawn on Root window and this patch cr

Re: Rootless mode revisted...

2002-10-16 Thread Colin Harrison
That's brilliant. Works well on W2K serving a remote Linux. Problems with applications that spawn extra child windows, help, abouts etc, being confined to the top left of the parent window. I ssh tunelled stuff like ethereal with no other problems. Spotted the 'ghost' rubber banding on movemen

Re: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-16 Thread Thomas Chadwick
;To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Rootless mode revisited... >Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:21:25 -0400 > >I tried out this patch (took a few days because I needed to get xfree86 out >of CVS and build it). Very cool. Thanks a bunch to MATSUZAKI for coding

Re: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-16 Thread Alexander Gottwald
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Harold L Hunt II wrote: > Oh my god, I completely missed this patch! Wow! I can't remember this patch too. Either it got lost or was somehow rejected by the mailserver or maybe was sent to a private address. bye ago -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org

Re: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-16 Thread Harold L Hunt II
; to me. I had every intention of developing and experimenting with > such a patch myself. He just beat me to it. > >> From: Harold L Hunt II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: Rootless mode revisited... &g

Re: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-16 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Oh my god, I completely missed this patch! Wow! I can't wait to take a look at it tonight! Harold MATSUZAKI Kensuke wrote: >Thomas didn't talk about X Shape Extension. >I think Thomas's idea is something like this. > >With this patch and "-nodecoration" option, it seems to work good. > > >

Re: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-16 Thread Thomas Chadwick
patch came as a complete surprise to me. I had every intention of developing and experimenting with such a patch myself. He just beat me to it. >From: Harold L Hunt II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Rootless mode revisited...

Re: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-16 Thread Harold L Hunt II
yone wants to try it out, here's a binary that I built > last night from source I pulled from CVS yesterday... > > http://home.adelphia.net/~tlcweb/cygwin/XWin.exe > > >> From: MATSUZAKI Kensuke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-16 Thread Thomas Chadwick
uilt last night from source I pulled from CVS yesterday... http://home.adelphia.net/~tlcweb/cygwin/XWin.exe >From: MATSUZAKI Kensuke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Rootless mode revisited... >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002

Re: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-14 Thread MATSUZAKI Kensuke
Thomas didn't talk about X Shape Extension. I think Thomas's idea is something like this. With this patch and "-nodecoration" option, it seems to work good. pseudo-rootless.patch Description: Binary data

Re: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-09 Thread Bill Hughey
In a cursory look at the Darwin project, it seemed that they were shadowing every top-level (child of root) window with a pixmap / hbitmap / dibsection. The action would be something like draw into the dibsections memory with X windows drawing routines and then use DirectDraw's fastblt to push it

Re: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-09 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Let me sum it up like this: we already know how to do it. That isn't the problem. The problem is that requires lot of work to implement the design that we have in mind. What Thomas suggested is an interesting idea. His idea was obviously a suggestion and it probably wasn't thought out from

Re: Rootless mode revisited...

2002-10-09 Thread Jehan
Thomas Chadwick wrote: > I just had a thought on how to implement rootless mode and I'm hoping > someone more familiar with Windows programming and/or the XWin server > might let me know if it's a dead-end before I spend too much time > researching it further. > > The idea I had is this: Can

Re: Rootless Mode is an Important and Needed Feature

2002-10-02 Thread Michael F. March
Harold L Hunt II wrote: > Good point Alexander. > > On a side note: Why is it that XDarwin has so many people contributing > code and features (they seem to have an OpenGL-passthrough system now, > which is pretty amazing), while Cygwin/XFree86 has so few > contributors? This seems contradict

Re: Rootless Mode is an Important and Needed Feature

2002-09-28 Thread Alexander Gottwald
Harold L Hunt II wrote: > Good point Alexander. > > On a side note: Why is it that XDarwin has so many people contributing > code and features (they seem to have an OpenGL-passthrough system now, > which is pretty amazing), while Cygwin/XFree86 has so few contributors? > This seems contradi

Re: Rootless Mode is an Important and Needed Feature

2002-09-27 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 03:36:00PM -0400, Harold L Hunt II wrote: >Good point Alexander. > >On a side note: Why is it that XDarwin has so many people contributing >code and features (they seem to have an OpenGL-passthrough system now, >which is pretty amazing), while Cygwin/XFree86 has so few co

Re: Rootless Mode is an Important and Needed Feature

2002-09-27 Thread Nicholas Wourms
--- Mlarcvaernas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think that a Rootless mode for the Xserver right now > is one of the most important and crucial features > needed. For the Xserver to be used in a way that is > convenient for many users, the option to have X > applications displayed on the main Win

Re: Rootless Mode is an Important and Needed Feature

2002-09-27 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Good point Alexander. On a side note: Why is it that XDarwin has so many people contributing code and features (they seem to have an OpenGL-passthrough system now, which is pretty amazing), while Cygwin/XFree86 has so few contributors? This seems contradictory because Windows is on 95% of de

Re: Rootless Mode is an Important and Needed Feature

2002-09-27 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Really? Thanks for the insight. Are you willing to sacrifice 20 hours per week to work on it? No? In case you didn't notice, rootless mode has been on the To-Do list for over a year. It is simply difficult and large in scope, thus no one is working on it. In fact, there isn't really any w

Re: Rootless Mode is an Important and Needed Feature

2002-09-27 Thread Alexander Gottwald
Mlarcvaernas wrote: > I think that a Rootless mode for the Xserver right now > is one of the most important and crucial features > needed. For the Xserver to be used in a way that is > convenient for many users, the option to have X > applications displayed on the main Windows desktop is > pretty

RE: rootless mode

2002-04-09 Thread Robert Collins
> -Original Message- > From: Schaible, Jorg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 6:02 PM > please keep also in mind, that the decoration of a window in > X is coming from the X Window Manager. Windows always counts > the border as part ot the Window itself. If y

RE: rootless mode

2002-04-09 Thread Schaible, Jorg
Hi Rob, >> One Win32 window per top-level X windows isn't an >> optimization... it's just necessary. A top-level window is >> like a Windows window with a blue border... any other window >> could be a button or a scrollbar, etc. We certainly don't >> want to create a Win32 window for each o

RE: rootless mode

2002-04-08 Thread Ralf Habacker
Thank you for pointing this out. :-) I doesn't know that in this detail Regards Ralf

RE: rootless mode

2002-04-08 Thread Robert Collins
> -Original Message- > From: Harold Hunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 7:01 AM > To: Robert Collins; Ian Burrell > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: rootless mode > > > Rob, > > One Win32 window per top-level X windows

RE: rootless mode

2002-04-08 Thread Harold Hunt
Ian Burrell > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: rootless mode > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ian Burrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 5:30 AM > > To: Robert Collins > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > &

RE: rootless mode

2002-04-08 Thread Robert Collins
> -Original Message- > From: Ian Burrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 5:30 AM > To: Robert Collins > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: rootless mode > > > Robert Collins wrote: > > I've been thinking about root

Re: rootless mode

2002-04-08 Thread Ian Burrell
Robert Collins wrote: > I've been thinking about rootless mode. > > Here's my current thoughts: > > 1) We create a real win32 window for each X window. I think we only need a Win32 window for each top-level X window. > 2) We use SetWindowLong to store the X window pointer in the WIN32 > stru

RE: rootless mode

2002-04-08 Thread Harold L Hunt
Ralf, In a single word, the ntxlib project is "worthless" as far as Cygwin/XFree86 is concerned. There are a few functions, such as line drawing, where looking at how ntxlib calls the GDI function may be interesting, but the data structures and overall architecture of ntxlib (and libw11) are

RE: rootless mode

2002-04-08 Thread Ralf Habacker
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf > Of Robert Collins > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:13 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: rootless mode > > > I've been thinking about rootless mode. > > Here's my current thoughts: > > 1) We create

RE: rootless mode

2002-04-08 Thread Robert Collins
> -Original Message- > From: Alan Hourihane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 6:32 PM > > That's not a problem. I'll #define all the rootless related > changes as > > such. And I'm not asking your focus to change! > > > Sorry Robert, I don't mean to put you o

Re: rootless mode

2002-04-08 Thread Alan Hourihane
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 06:28:23 +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > > Once we have a Native GDI server and it passes the xtest > > suite then, we should start looking at 'rootless' modes, but > > feel free to continue down your path. I just don't want to > > clutter up code yet with something else

RE: rootless mode

2002-04-08 Thread Robert Collins
> -Original Message- > From: Alan Hourihane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 6:21 PM > Robert, > > I agree with your above suggestions, but we are still a way > off doing anything 'rootless' yet. We need a fully functional > native GDI server, which it curre

Re: rootless mode

2002-04-08 Thread Alan Hourihane
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 06:12:33 +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > I've been thinking about rootless mode. > > Here's my current thoughts: > > 1) We create a real win32 window for each X window. > 2) We use SetWindowLong to store the X window pointer in the WIN32 > struct, so that when a message