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Re: Moving beyond "Reputation"--the Market View of Reality

2001-11-30 Thread Greg Broiles
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2001-11-30 Thread Sunder
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2001-11-30 Thread measl
On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Jim Choate wrote: > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > While I agree with you in principal, it would not be an easy thing to do > > under the [constituional] circumstances. The problem is that the law is well > > settled that a president may invoke these po

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Re: Moving beyond "Reputation"--the Market View of Reality

2001-11-30 Thread Sunder
Not the messages signed by the purchaser of the Nym, as those would not be signed with the Nym's signature. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, y

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-- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:43:43 -0700 From: John Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Celebrate Bill of Rights Day in Denver This ought to be fun: http://www.stanley2002.o

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2001-11-30 Thread Jim Choate
On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Sunder wrote: > Neither is John Gilmore. > > On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Jim Choate wrote: > > > But Joe Random isn't a Cypherpunks Leader... And yet you were the one trying to take the old soda homepage as current gospel for the list... -- ___

Re: CDR: Re: CNN.com - Bush defends tribunals, saying 'we're at war' -November 29, 2001

2001-11-30 Thread Jim Choate
On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > While I agree with you in principal, it would not be an easy thing to do > under the [constituional] circumstances. The problem is that the law is well > settled that a president may invoke these powers during times of _declared_ > war. Although c

Re: Rumors of the death of Cypherpunks are greatly exaggerated

2001-11-30 Thread Jim Choate
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Re: Speech May Not Be Free, but It's Refundable

2001-11-30 Thread Jim Choate
No, that's trespass. On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Sunder wrote: > So by your terms, I should have the right to enter your house at 3:00am > when you're asleep and make long loud ranting speeches using a bullhorn > shoved in your ear? > > Ok, I'll be over tomorrow night, then. -- ___

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Re: CDR: Re: Moving beyond "Reputation"--the Market View of Reality

2001-11-30 Thread georgemw
On 30 Nov 2001, at 13:34, Sunder wrote: > Simple. Once the buyer has the keys she issues an email saying "I'm > changing my keys, here's the new public key" and signs it with the old key > - thus proving that the nym's original message was valid, thus > invalidating the old one. Duh! > > Any

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Re: Moving beyond "Reputation"--the Market View of Reality

2001-11-30 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Sunder wrote: > Following which the buyer posts all the signed emails between self and > seller detailing the fraudulent transaction. Worthless, as all of those messages could have been forged. Or did you mean to say that they had been dated by a third party timestamping ser

Re: Moving beyond "Reputation"--the Market View of Reality

2001-11-30 Thread Tim May
On Friday, November 30, 2001, at 01:56 PM, Wei Dai wrote: > On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 04:28:58PM -0500, Adam Shostack wrote: >> Following which, Alice pulls out the pre-dated revocation certificate, >> and generates confusion as to the validity of Bob's key change message. > > I guess we would nee

Re: Moving beyond "Reputation"--the Market View of Reality

2001-11-30 Thread Sunder
Following which the buyer posts all the signed emails between self and seller detailing the fraudulent transaction. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share

Re: Moving beyond "Reputation"--the Market View of Reality

2001-11-30 Thread Wei Dai
On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 04:28:58PM -0500, Adam Shostack wrote: > Following which, Alice pulls out the pre-dated revocation certificate, > and generates confusion as to the validity of Bob's key change message. I guess we would need a distributed public registry of key change/revocation messages

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Re: Moving beyond "Reputation"--the Market View of Reality

2001-11-30 Thread Adam Shostack
Following which, Alice pulls out the pre-dated revocation certificate, and generates confusion as to the validity of Bob's key change message. Duh, indeed. Adam On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:34:53PM -0500, Sunder wrote: | Simple. Once the buyer has the keys she issues an email saying "I'm | chan

Re: CNN.com - Bush defends tribunals, saying 'we're at war' - November 29, 2001

2001-11-30 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
See Sandy? Even a blind clock finds a squirrel twice a day. -MW- On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Jim Choate wrote: > Bush is full of shit.

Re: Moving beyond "Reputation"--the Market View of Reality

2001-11-30 Thread Sunder
Simple. Once the buyer has the keys she issues an email saying "I'm changing my keys, here's the new public key" and signs it with the old key - thus proving that the nym's original message was valid, thus invalidating the old one. Duh! --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos---

Re: Moving beyond "Reputation"--the Market View of Reality

2001-11-30 Thread Adam Shostack
On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:14:13PM -0800, Wei Dai wrote: | On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:53:02PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | > Even this is not a scalar. Since reputation cannot be bought | > and sold, the idea that it is worth a specific well defined amount is | > false. | | If you own a nym

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2001-11-30 Thread Adam Shostack
On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:44:09AM -0800, Tim May wrote: | | Attempting to get this through. About half of the messages I have tried (the quoting may be off.) | > On Friday, November 30, 2001, at 09:06 AM, Adam Shostack wrote: | > | >> On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 08:21:32AM -0800, Tim May wrote: |

Re: Moving beyond "Reputation"--the Market View of Reality

2001-11-30 Thread Wei Dai
On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:53:02PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Even this is not a scalar. Since reputation cannot be bought > and sold, the idea that it is worth a specific well defined amount is > false. If you own a nym, you can easily sell its reputation. Just give the private key to th

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2001-11-30 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, November 26, 2001, at 07:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Jim Choate wrote: >> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Faustine wrote: >>> Not all women are golddiggers. >> They're called 'old maids'. ALL women who are interested in a

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Re: CNN.com - Bush defends tribunals, saying 'we're at war' -November 29, 2001

2001-11-30 Thread Duncan Frissell
But they won't be. In any case, how are they "levying War against them [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort? DCF On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Harmon Seaver wrote: > Dubbya should be impeached, and both he and Asscruft arrested for > treason. > > --

Re: CDR: Re: Rumors of the death of Cypherpunks are greatly exaggerated

2001-11-30 Thread Sunder
Neither is John Gilmore. On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Jim Choate wrote: > But Joe Random isn't a Cypherpunks Leader...

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Re: CNN.com - Bush defends tribunals, saying 'we're at war' -November 29, 2001

2001-11-30 Thread Adam Shostack
On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 08:21:32AM -0800, Tim May wrote: | On Friday, November 30, 2001, at 07:55 AM, Harmon Seaver wrote: | | > Dubbya should be impeached, and both he and Asscruft arrested for | > treason. | | Quite interesting the language they keep using: "Terrorists don't have | right

Re: CDR: Re: CNN.com - Bush defends tribunals, saying 'we're at war'-November 29, 2001

2001-11-30 Thread measl
On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Harmon Seaver wrote: > Dubbya should be impeached, and both he and Asscruft arrested for > treason. While I agree with you in principal, it would not be an easy thing to do under the [constituional] circumstances. The problem is that the law is well settled that a pr

Re: Rumors of the death of Cypherpunks are greatly exaggerated

2001-11-30 Thread David Honig
At 10:38 PM 11/29/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, David Honig wrote: > >> Um, Jim, despite the slump, there still plenty of free lowbrow sites for >> Joe Random to start a mailing list for anything, so Tim's financial >> status is irrelevent. > >But Joe Random isn't a Cypherpunks

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2001-11-30 Thread David Honig
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Re: CNN.com - Bush defends tribunals, saying 'we're at war' -November 29, 2001

2001-11-30 Thread Tim May
On Friday, November 30, 2001, at 07:55 AM, Harmon Seaver wrote: > Dubbya should be impeached, and both he and Asscruft arrested for > treason. Quite interesting the language they keep using: "Terrorists don't have rights." The 1200 persons detained without due process, without habeas co

Re: Speech May Not Be Free, but It's Refundable

2001-11-30 Thread Sunder
So by your terms, I should have the right to enter your house at 3:00am when you're asleep and make long loud ranting speeches using a bullhorn shoved in your ear? Ok, I'll be over tomorrow night, then. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :Surveillanc

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2001-11-30 Thread Tim May
On Friday, November 30, 2001, at 02:21 AM, mattd wrote: > "libertarian socialist" is an oxymoron." > Like anarcho-capitalist? > I do use anarchist gerberally.Tim Im posting articles under your name > at Indymedia.When I do I try to be very exact with it. > but sometimes Im cutting and pasting li